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Counterpoint
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Just curious. What is your spiritual gift?
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po18guy
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What I will say to all who are reading this thread is that we are called - expected - to know and use our charism(s) for the building up of the Church. The parable of Matthew 25:14-30 applies exactly. When the Master returns, He will demand to know what we have done with the “talents” that He gave us. We do not want to tell Him that we were afraid to use them and then simply offer them back.
I will also say that submitting to the Holy Spirit via the baptism in the Holy Spirit (NOT a Sacrament) ignited my faith life. I went from below averrage pew-sitter to on-fire evangelizer. And none of this was my doing, but rather the power of the Holy Spirit acting through me. What I had to do was much more difficult: force myself to become docile to the Holy Spirit and accept whatever He had in store for me.
I lost my fear of evangelizing. Began reading scripture, handing bibles out. Develped a strong attraction to the Rosary, the chaplet of Divine Mercy and adoration of the Blessed Sacrament. Miracles occurred in prayer before our Lord. Night and day difference.
If only words were sufficient to express what I experienced.
Very timely: Pope Francis is beginning a new catechesis on the gifts (charisms) of the Holy Spirit. ncregister.com/daily-news/pope-begins-new-catechesis-on-gifts-of-the-holy-spirit/
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Bob_Crowley
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There are charismatic Catholic groups around. I’ve heard members of one of our local prayer groups speak in “tongues”. However the Catholic charismatic groups tend to be more controlled.
This is a link to a charismatic Catholic group which started in 1975 in Brisbane, Australia. It’s still going. I don’t think you’ll find any weird stuff, but I’d presume they sometimes speak in tongues, maybe give prophetic pronouncements etc.
emmanuelcommunity.com.au/about/emmanuel_covenant/
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Maxime_Indigent
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I was born and raised in a very large charismatic community, one that has even been supported by a cardinal. What do you wish to ask?
This is very true.
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J_Peterson
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Don’t feel bad, I have to google acronyms all the time.
My mom was involved with the Charismatic movement for awhile. I think it was when Fr. DiOrio was in my home area for a bit. She got a lot out of it spiritually. It seemed weird to me as a kid and I know that it’s not for me as an adult but it has a lot of value for many. I can’t see a problem unless it goes against Church teaching.
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Counterpoint
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Have you receive the “baptism in the Holy Spirit?” Do you pray in tongues?
po18guy
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The individual organizations are each under their local Bishop, so there is direct oversight. From the catechism:
Thus, any abuses or suspected false manifestations are subject to the immediate discernment of the group leaders and of the Bishop.
I am not a charismatic group member, but do attend a function every year or so to receive a spiritual “tune-up.” I have received inestimable benefit from the charismatic movement - by way of the baptism in the Holy Spirit.
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Maxime_Indigent
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I don’t think I’ve heard of “baptism” by the Holy Spirit before.
We believe that prayer by tongues is a gift the Holy Spirit gives to some. I asked those who prayed in tongues if they can understand what they’re saying and most of them said they didn’t, but those the Holy Spirit gave the gift of hearing did.
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Counterpoint
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It’s based (more or less) on this biblical passage…
“19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.” Acts 19:1-6
There is also the “gift of interpretation of tongues.” 1 Corinthians 12:10
I have attended several Catholic Charismatic prayer meetings. Typically what happens is that during the course of the meeting, one individual will stand up and speak in tongues. Shortly after, another individual will stand up and give the interpretation.
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grannymh
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From the position of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, there are two separate, distinct gifts of the Holy Spirit which employ the use of Tongues. The most familiar one is the common gift of praying in Tongues. It is referred to as common because all people can use it to praise God, thank God, ask God for mercy, and petition God – just like we do in our native speech. Praying in prayer Tongues is our personal prayer directed to God.
The second gift of the Holy Spirit which employs Tongues is one of the nine classical gifts listed by St. Paul. These nine gifts are ministries to the community. One of the classical, ministry gifts is speaking God’s message to the community in Tongues. It is this particular gift which requires someone with the Holy Spirit Gift of Interpretation to actually interpret the spoken Tongues to the community. These two gifts, Tongues and Interpretation, bring God’s message to the public community.
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Maxime_Indigent
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That’s exactly what I meant by ‘those who can understand’.
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Maxime_Indigent
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Our community has various one-day youth events where we submerge in the Holy Spirit, and it is usually in those events that the Holy Spirit confers those gifts. I didn’t receive a gift myself, but I did have a vision.
It’s cool that you know so much. Are you a charismatic too?
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CHRISTINE77
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John Michael Talbot is a Charismatic Catholic. He is an award winning musician and a founder of a Franciscan order. His music and singing are ethereal - I have a lot of his music and he is giving a concert at our church in June. Yay!
Here’s a link:
johnmichaeltalbot.com/catholic-and-christian
Here’s a link:
johnmichaeltalbot.com/catholic-and-christian
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J_Peterson
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Thanks for that, I’m going to look into him (his music is on Spotify). Looks like he was in the band Mason Proffit. I’ve never heard them but remember seeing their albums when I worked in a used record store. Interesting.
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grannymh
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Yes. But our vibrant prayer group is no longer in existence. I still retain my deep interest in the Holy Spirit Gift of Praying in Tongues. Currently, as an individual on my own, I pray very short prayers quietly in Tongues. I often suggest that praying in Tongues is better than road rage.
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CHRISTINE77
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Awesome - I agree!
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ynotzap
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I gave witness to the Charismatic Renewal in the Catholic Church on the Evangelization forum, but it no longer exists among my posts in that forum. I was appointed by my Bishop in l970-71 to the Diocesan Board of Catholic Charismatic Renewal. I was in the renewal for at least 17 years. It wasn’t received to well because many didn’t understand it It’s not new to the Church and has been around since the beginning of the Church. St. Thomas Aquinas writes about the Charisms in detail ( an edifying grace given for the building of the church, not a sanctifying grace such as the Sacraments) The documents of Vatican ll contain references to the Charisms in the document of the Lay Apostlate. I do have knowledge of the Charisms and have all the gifts that I need to witness to my Catholic faith. Also many Latin countries are having trouble , Satan is still doing his dirty work and leaders are not picking it up. God will have His way! Our day and time need this kind of witness especially among youth. The Holy Spirit will not be boxed in, He will move as He pleases.
po18guy
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I have surmised that the Holy Spirit may have manifested Himself among (including others) the Pentecostals when His presence and power in the Catholic Church had been overlooked. Well, that all changed a few decades ago.
And, it is His manifestation amongst the true Pentecostals and other non-Catholic groups that arouses the ire of certain Catholics who, without knowledge or experience, condemn the Catholic charismatic movement. What they may not realize is that the position of the Holy Spirit is only being restored within the Church. It is certainly not some protestant import as they suspect.
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ynotzap
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Right on Brother!! Some of us Catholics need to really study and really believe that Jesus must be glorified in their lives by really turning to Him and receive His Spirit. What is refused is given to another. Grace acomplishes what it was given for, and does not return empty. God makes no worthless, and fruitless moves.
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ynotzap
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How are we employing the ecumenical spirit if don’t recognize God’s work among our separated brothers? God’s wants one fold, with one Shepherd. The devil is active, it is his influences that causes splits in Gods’ fold. Self-rightousness is one great tool of Satan and is one that affects good people. It really causes splits of faith, and heresy, an individual attitude of infallibility. Pride is at its roots
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