Catholic colleges anticipate stern words from pope

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America has the number one army in the world. Our military history is extremely rich, with many 4-star generals having been educated at West Point and other prestigious military academies across the country. They continue to do this because of the no-nonsense quality of education. In the same way, Catholic universities train its students to be soldiers for Christ. Before the Church of the Nazarene came to Bourbonnais, the campus was built and run by the Viatorians. This small college gave rise to two prominent Bishops: an auxiliary Bishop of Chicago (whose name escapes me :o ) and Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen. Just as military academies educate future generals, so do Catholic universities and I assure you, if the military academies had the same level of education as most Catholic universities do today, even Antarctica would have a better army than we do. God is raising an army to combat modernism, progressivism, and relativism. First, the formation of these spiritual soldiers begins with the parents. The Catholic educational system has the charge of nurturing that faith which has been given them by their parents. Most Catholic universities are not doing that, and thus the war continues to be won by the modernists, etc. But for some, there is a civil war going on among campuses between the progressive faculty and students demanding the Catholic faith to be taught with full obedience to the Magisterium. Let me tell you, as a student at a Catholic university, we are winning that civil war. The tide is turning back towards the true Catholic Church.
I hope that you are correct in that we are winning the civil war. Modernism, progressivism, and relativism are all too common in today’s society, and it is sad that it had greatly affected Catholic universities. Hopefully the words of the Holy Father will bring good light to this civil war and what we as Catholics can do to fight in this spiritual fight. God bless.
 
I hope that you are correct in that we are winning the civil war. Modernism, progressivism, and relativism are all too common in today’s society, and it is sad that it had greatly affected Catholic universities. Hopefully the words of the Holy Father will bring good light to this civil war and what we as Catholics can do to fight in this spiritual fight. God bless.
In my two years at Lewis University (I’m a junior btw), I have seen significant changes that lead towards true Roman Catholicism. In my first year, I had to argue with a professor over the sacrament of Reconciliation and I had to give the class the true teaching of the Church. Needless to say, we didn’t get along.

In my second year, we began a holy hour every week that consisted of the Rosary, Chaplet of Divine Mercy, Litany to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and other minor prayers. Also, after much pressure from students, the daily Mass here on campus was corrected. Before, there was the practice of self-intinction. This happened last year to which I protested and when they did nothing, I stopped going to daily Mass. Now, a few weeks have gone by since they stopped that practice and daily Mass attendence has increased dramatically. We also started a Students for Life group on campus which recently got official recognition which means we can get funds from the school. Yet, the theology faculty has yet to give the Bishop a mandatum and we still have several protestant professors in the field. Change takes time, but I can definitely see Catholicism on the rise here.
 
In my two years at Lewis University (I’m a junior btw), I have seen significant changes that lead towards true Roman Catholicism. In my first year, I had to argue with a professor over the sacrament of Reconciliation and I had to give the class the true teaching of the Church. Needless to say, we didn’t get along.

In my second year, we began a holy hour every week that consisted of the Rosary, Chaplet of Divine Mercy, Litany to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and other minor prayers. Also, after much pressure from students, the daily Mass here on campus was corrected. Before, there was the practice of self-intinction. This happened last year to which I protested and when they did nothing, I stopped going to daily Mass. Now, a few weeks have gone by since they stopped that practice and daily Mass attendence has increased dramatically. We also started a Students for Life group on campus which recently got official recognition which means we can get funds from the school. Yet, the theology faculty has yet to give the Bishop a mandatum and we still have several protestant professors in the field. Change takes time, but I can definitely see Catholicism on the rise here.
Wow, it’s an awesome work of God that so many great things are happening there. At my college we have a small but great Newman Center for Mass, the Divine Office, Bible Study, and we also have a small pro-life group. Hopefully, the rise of Catholicism is continuing in universities across the nation. I think though that the words of the Holy Father will definitely focus on helping this cause, it is a well-needed speech here in America.
 
I’m a college student at a non-Catholic private University. I attended Catholic schools from K-12, and have many friends who attend Catholic colleges; my younger brother will start at one in the fall.

I think there are two issues in play with regards to adherence to Catholic teaching:
  1. The actual content of courses
    and
  2. The extra-curricular activities at the University
These need to be considered individually, I think, as the Catholicity of the university is reflected differently through each.

College is supposed to prepare you for the real world. Presumably, a Catholic college should prepare you to be a witness for your faith in an increasingly secular society. In the real world, issues which conflict with Catholic teaching will arise. You need to be exposed to these ideas to be fully able to deal with them and fully express your faith.

I’m in pharmacy school, so I’ll use a pharmacy example. The Catholic Church holds, and I believe, that artificial contraception is morally wrong. In an ideal Catholic world, healthy women would not be on hormonal birth control. But in the real world, women will be on these medications. If I am working in a hospital, and a patient is admitted who has been on oral contraceptives, I need to understand how that drug works, what drugs it will interact with, and other information about that drug to make proper recommendations for other therapies for this patient on totally unrelated conditions. Pharmacy schools, medical schools, etc at Catholic universities need to cover these topics simply on the grounds that anyone entering a medical field will encounter a patient who uses them to avoid pregnancy, and a full understanding of these medications will allow them to be a better professional.

Likewise, in an ethics or theology class, alternative viewpoints to Catholic teachings must be presented if Catholic students are to be made fully able to defend Catholic faith. I have found that one of the things that has strengthened my faith more than anything is my interaction with those who challenge me to critically look at the Catholic faith; it has been through challenges that I have come to a fuller understanding of what I believe, and why the Church teaches what it does.

Presenting alternative viewpoints should allow students to mature in their Catholic faith.

This is distinctly different from Catholic colleges restricting the full exercise of the Catholic faith or supporting extra-curricular activities that clearly oppose Catholic teaching. I am reminded of a story one friend told me of her Catholic college, where their pro-life group was prohibited from writing anti-abortion messages on sidewalks because other students found opposition to abortion to be offensive; they were only allowed to write messages that supported choosing life (ie. “Abortion is murder” is no longer permitted; “Choose life” is considered acceptable). The mere existence of school sanctioned (and possibly funded) “pro-choice” group on a Catholic campus is not something a Catholic University should have. Groups on campus use the University name in materials and communications. This would seem to suggest that the school supports the causes the organization advocates, which in many cases are diametrically opposed to Catholic teaching.

The bottom line: Catholic colleges should expose students to a variety of ideas to help them mature in their own faith, especially in controlled classroom settings, where there is the opportunity to present both the non-Catholic viewpoint and the Catholic response. What they should not do, however, is restrict those who boldly support and proclaim Catholic teaching, or promote or endorse those who act in clear opposition to Catholicism.

Does that make sense? It is based on my own personal experiences as a Catholic in college, my discussions with friends, and my 13 years of Catholic education (K-12). I think the manner of discussion of issues I have laid out above is appropriate for high schools, especially in classes for Juniors and Seniors as well. I took an ethics class and a “religions of the world” class in high school. I found both to be instructive for me in developing my own faith and conscience, as they allowed me to see my faith through a different lens.
 
[QUOTEdonmaximuso27;3475903]Everything the church= teaches regarding faith and morals is infallible. To deny that is to deny the authority given to the Church through Peter by Christ; I won’t even bother refuting a rejection to the Church’s infallibility on faith and morals in a Catholic forum. Is it right to discuss homosexuality in a classroom for educational purposes? Sure. And I will correct my mistake in that a celibate homosexual is not committing mortal sin. But should a priest at a Catholic university promote gay marriage? Absolutely not! This is strictly against Church teaching on faith and morals. Catholic Universities that attempt to defy the Church’s infallibility in faith and morals should either be reformed or stripped of their Catholic stance. Come on now, we are talking about an extremely important issue: Should Catholic Universities, Catholic, stay on a strict course of infallible Catholic faith and morals? Obviously.
 
I’m a college student at a non-Catholic private University. I attended Catholic schools from K-12, and have many friends who attend Catholic colleges; my younger brother will start at one in the fall.

I think there are two issues in play with regards to adherence to Catholic teaching:
  1. The actual content of courses
    and
  2. The extra-curricular activities at the University
These need to be considered individually, I think, as the Catholicity of the university is reflected differently through each.

College is supposed to prepare you for the real world. Presumably, a Catholic college should prepare you to be a witness for your faith in an increasingly secular society. In the real world, issues which conflict with Catholic teaching will arise. You need to be exposed to these ideas to be fully able to deal with them and fully express your faith.

I’m in pharmacy school, so I’ll use a pharmacy example. The Catholic Church holds, and I believe, that artificial contraception is morally wrong. In an ideal Catholic world, healthy women would not be on hormonal birth control. But in the real world, women will be on these medications. If I am working in a hospital, and a patient is admitted who has been on oral contraceptives, I need to understand how that drug works, what drugs it will interact with, and other information about that drug to make proper recommendations for other therapies for this patient on totally unrelated conditions. Pharmacy schools, medical schools, etc at Catholic universities need to cover these topics simply on the grounds that anyone entering a medical field will encounter a patient who uses them to avoid pregnancy, and a full understanding of these medications will allow them to be a better professional.

Likewise, in an ethics or theology class, alternative viewpoints to Catholic teachings must be presented if Catholic students are to be made fully able to defend Catholic faith. I have found that one of the things that has strengthened my faith more than anything is my interaction with those who challenge me to critically look at the Catholic faith; it has been through challenges that I have come to a fuller understanding of what I believe, and why the Church teaches what it does.

Presenting alternative viewpoints should allow students to mature in their Catholic faith.

This is distinctly different from Catholic colleges restricting the full exercise of the Catholic faith or supporting extra-curricular activities that clearly oppose Catholic teaching. I am reminded of a story one friend told me of her Catholic college, where their pro-life group was prohibited from writing anti-abortion messages on sidewalks because other students found opposition to abortion to be offensive; they were only allowed to write messages that supported choosing life (ie. “Abortion is murder” is no longer permitted; “Choose life” is considered acceptable). The mere existence of school sanctioned (and possibly funded) “pro-choice” group on a Catholic campus is not something a Catholic University should have. Groups on campus use the University name in materials and communications. This would seem to suggest that the school supports the causes the organization advocates, which in many cases are diametrically opposed to Catholic teaching.

The bottom line: Catholic colleges should expose students to a variety of ideas to help them mature in their own faith, especially in controlled classroom settings, where there is the opportunity to present both the non-Catholic viewpoint and the Catholic response. What they should not do, however, is restrict those who boldly support and proclaim Catholic teaching, or promote or endorse those who act in clear opposition to Catholicism.

Does that make sense? It is based on my own personal experiences as a Catholic in college, my discussions with friends, and my 13 years of Catholic education (K-12). I think the manner of discussion of issues I have laid out above is appropriate for high schools, especially in classes for Juniors and Seniors as well. I took an ethics class and a “religions of the world” class in high school. I found both to be instructive for me in developing my own faith and conscience, as they allowed me to see my faith through a different lens.
The University should of course teach students, in the classroom, everything that will prepare them for the real world. But the university, should not, in any way, ever take an official stance that is against Church teachings. A priest that teaches, not discusses or educates, but *teaches *that gay marriage is correct should not be allowed to teach. Students must learn what they need to in order to prepare for the problems they will encounter in life, especially with their faith. But, anything that is official regarding the University needs to follow the Church.
 
Everything the church teaches regarding faith and morals is infallible. To deny that is to deny the authority given to the Church through Peter by Christ; I won’t even bother refuting a rejection to the Church’s infallibility on faith and morals in a Catholic forum. Is it right to discuss homosexuality in a classroom for educational purposes? Sure. And I will correct my mistake in that a celibate homosexual is not committing mortal sin. But should a priest at a Catholic university promote gay marriage? Absolutely not! This is strictly against Church teaching on faith and morals. Catholic Universities that attempt to defy the Church’s infallibility in faith and morals should either be reformed or stripped of their Catholic stance. Come on now, we are talking about an extremely important issue: Should Catholic Universities, Catholic, stay on a strict course of infallible Catholic faith and morals? Obviously.
 
A Catholic University should be unrestricted in secular matters, such as liberal arts, sciences, etc. However, regarding faith and morals, which, remember, the Church is infallible, Catholic Universities must stay true to the faith. My older sister attended a Jesuit University in PA where she was taught justifications of gay marriage by Jesuit professors! She even had a Jesuit professor who shared his homosexuality! A university that is Catholic must stay true to the faith and morals of the Church, otherwise it should be just a typical secular, modernist university. It is much better to be a oxymoron regarding the purpose of a university, rather then be an oxymoron regarding a Catholic school going against Catholic teaching.
 
Everything the church teaches regarding faith and morals is infallible. To deny that is to deny the authority given to the Church through Peter by Christ; I won’t even bother refuting a rejection to the Church’s infallibility on faith and morals in a Catholic forum. Is it right to discuss homosexuality in a classroom for educational purposes? Sure. And I will correct my mistake in that a celibate homosexual is not committing mortal sin. But should a priest at a Catholic university promote gay marriage? Absolutely not! This is strictly against Church teaching on faith and morals. Catholic Universities that attempt to defy the Church’s infallibility in faith and morals should either be reformed or stripped of their Catholic stance. Come on now, we are talking about an extremely important issue: Should Catholic Universities, Catholic, stay on a strict course of infallible Catholic faith and morals? Obviously.
I think I detect a little “creeping infallibility” in your statement. All Church teaching is NOT infallible. The New Catechism states…
“Only definitive teaching is infallible. Not everything in a conciliar or papal pronouncement in which some doctrine is defined is to be taken as infallible. The merely argumentative and justificatory statement embodied in definitive pronouncements however true and authoritative they may be, are not covered by the guarantee of infallibility.” I do not believe the Church has made a “Definitive Statement” as definied by the Catechism about gay marriage and, therefore, the teaching of the Church on that subject may be authoritative but, by no means Infallible. The Catechism even goes so far as to say that the Ordinary Magisterium has never spoken infallibly and that only Papal and Conciliar statements when “Definitively taught” are infallible.
Let’s be careful how we use the word “Infallible”.
 
While not all Church teaching is infallible, it should also be the school’s responsibility NOT to teach anything non-Catholic in a manner that would undermine Church teaching. For example, if I were in a social sciences class, and the teacher told me that homosexuality should be an accepted behavior in society, I would question the legitimacy of the education I was receiving. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging different fields of study, but to put anti-Catholic teachings (teachings that contradict the Church) on equal footing with the Church’s is wrong. Education, like anything else in life (laws that govern our behavior) must be restrictive to a degree. Restrictions provide guidance, and guidance leads to understanding. JMO.
 
I think I detect a little “creeping infallibility” in your statement. All Church teaching is NOT infallible. The New Catechism states…
“Only definitive teaching is infallible. Not everything in a conciliar or papal pronouncement in which some doctrine is defined is to be taken as infallible. The merely argumentative and justificatory statement embodied in definitive pronouncements however true and authoritative they may be, are not covered by the guarantee of infallibility.” I do not believe the Church has made a “Definitive Statement” as definied by the Catechism about gay marriage and, therefore, the teaching of the Church on that subject may be authoritative but, by no means Infallible. The Catechism even goes so far as to say that the Ordinary Magisterium has never spoken infallibly and that only Papal and Conciliar statements when “Definitively taught” are infallible.
Let’s be careful how we use the word “Infallible”.
Refer to the Catechism then, it is quite clear that by Scripture and natural law the Church does not support gay marriage:

2034 The Roman Pontiff and the bishops are "authentic teachers, that is, teachers endowed with the authority of Christ, who preach the faith to the people entrusted to them, the faith to be believed and put into practice."76 The ordinary and universal Magisterium of the Pope and the bishops in communion with him teach the faithful the truth to believe, the charity to practice, the beatitude to hope for.

2035 The supreme degree of participation in the authority of Christ is ensured by the charism of infallibility. This infallibility extends as far as does the deposit of divine Revelation; it also extends to all those elements of doctrine, including morals, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, explained, or observed.77

2036 The authority of the Magisterium extends also to the specific precepts of the natural law, because their observance, demanded by the Creator, is necessary for salvation. In recalling the prescriptions of the natural law, the Magisterium of the Church exercises an essential part of its prophetic office of proclaiming to men what they truly are and reminding them of what they should be before God.78

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2360 Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman. In marriage the physical intimacy of the spouses becomes a sign and pledge of spiritual communion. Marriage bonds between baptized persons are sanctified by the sacrament.
 
Maximus, well said in regards to defending the sacred bond between man and woman. Definitely infallible teach on that part. 👍
 
Refer to the Catechism then, it is quite clear that by Scripture and natural law the Church does not support gay marriage:

I couldn’t agree more. The Church’s teaching is abundantly clear. My point is that it is not an infallible teaching and therefore open to discussion and argument.
 
The. A priest that teaches, not discusses or educates, but *teaches *that gay marriage is correct should not be allowed to teach.

I presume you do not believe that Professors in Catholic Colleges should have Academic Freedom.
 
donmaximuso27;3477340:
The. A priest that teaches,
not discusses or educates, but *teaches *that gay marriage is correct should not be allowed to teach.

I presume you do not believe that Professors in Catholic Colleges should have Academic Freedom.
A Catholic College should teach Catholocism. A professors adherence to Orthodoxy should indeed be a requirement to holding his position.

If adhering to the Catholic faith is an affront to “Academic Freedom” then so be it.
 
donmaximuso27;3477340:
The. A priest that teaches,
not discusses or educates, but *teaches *that gay marriage is correct should not be allowed to teach.

I presume you do not believe that Professors in Catholic Colleges should have Academic Freedom.

I should of chose more clear language. He didn’t teach it in the respect that he showed the students the different viewpoints that exist. He didn’t teach to show the students what is out in the real world. Students should be exposed to religious and secular realities. He actually believed that gay marriage is correct and should be allowed, and taught this belief to the students. He didn’t do this for the sake of the discussion or debate, but because he truly believed gay marriage is an acceptable act. That is definitely an issue.
 
donmaximuso27;3477340:
The. A priest that teaches,
not discusses or educates, but *teaches *that gay marriage is correct should not be allowed to teach.

I presume you do not believe that Professors in Catholic Colleges should have Academic Freedom.

Academic freedom is not an absolute. If a chemistry professor started teaching students that the periodic chart is bunk and that chemical reactions are the work of devils, he wouldn’t last long. Nor would a Harvard president who even WONDERED ALOUD if women are less able to deal with sciences and math than are men.
 
Bob Byrnes;3478863:
Academic freedom is not an absolute. If a chemistry professor started teaching students that the periodic chart is bunk and that chemical reactions are the work of devils, he wouldn’t last long. Nor would a Harvard president who even WONDERED ALOUD if women are less able to deal with sciences and math than are men.
You have to wonder how it came about that Catholic colleges can’t bring themselves to defend the faith with even a fraction of the vigor secular professors use in defending their politically correct world views. Apparently, wondering if men may actually be different from women is more heretical than a priest teaching that homosexual unions are valid. Would that our priests faith was so strong.

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Men are different from women. They are complimentary and that is how God intended it. One is not superior than the other, they are complimentary. Both are needed but in different ways and for me I believe that is a wonderful thing. Maybe Catholic universities should do more teaching on the theology of the body rather than the perversions of the body!
 
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