Catholic colleges anticipate stern words from pope

[Brendan]

I presume you do not believe that Professors in Catholic Colleges should have Academic Freedom.

Professors should be prevented from teaching that which is not true.

How many administrator would stand for Biology professors that teach that blacks are actually a sub human species, or Geology professors that teach that the Earth is flat. Or Math professors that teach that 5 squared equals 10.

None of those would be hired for a second semester, let alone offered tenure.

We should exhibit the same level of ‘tolerance’ for those who teach that human rights do not apply to the unborn, or that homosexual acts are morally acceptable. They should be kicked out before their second semester.

 

[Bob_Byrnes]

Professors should be prevented from teaching that which is not true.

How many administrator would stand for Biology professors that teach that blacks are actually a sub human species, or Geology professors that teach that the Earth is flat. Or Math professors that teach that 5 squared equals 10.

None of those would be hired for a second semester, let alone offered tenure.

We should exhibit the same level of ‘tolerance’ for those who teach that human rights do not apply to the unborn, or that homosexual acts are morally acceptable. They should be kicked out before their second semester.

It must be very comforting to be so sure of what is true and what is not. The whole point of tenure is to provide the Professor with an opportunity to search for the truth.

 

[donmaximuso27]

It must be very comforting to be so sure of what is true and what is not. The whole point of tenure is to provide the Professor with an opportunity to search for the truth.

When speaking of faith and morals, we are sure of what is true and what is not. The Holy Spirit has guided the Church in truth regarding faith and morals, without error. Nobody should teach at a Catholic University if they dare contradict the truth in faith and morals. The purpose of a Catholic University is to “teach and show the relationship of faith and reason,” as stated last night by The Very Rev. David M. O’Connell, C.M., president of Catholic University in Washington, in an interview on “World Over”. He went on to further state that no Catholic Unversity should ever try to contest the truth which is the Mother Church. If a certain professor does not know the truth of the Church, then he/she should either not speak of their own opinions on matters of faith and morals, or they should not teach at a Catholic university.

 

[Bob_Byrnes]

When speaking of faith and morals, we are sure of what is true and what is not.

I’ve been around for 76 years and I’m still seeking the truth. I thought that was what life was all about.
You are certainly very fortunate to have found it at such an early age. Congratulations!!!

 

[Brendan]

It must be very comforting to be so sure of what is true and what is not. The whole point of tenure is to provide the Professor with an opportunity to search for the truth.

So would you support tenure for a Math professor that taught 5 squared equals 10, or a History professor that denied that the Holocaust ever happened, or a Biology professor that taught that blacks were actually a seperate, non human species that could be killed at will?

Or are you still seeking the truth on those subjects?

If someone asked you if blacks are sub humans who can be killed at will, would you respond " I don’t know, I haven’t found out one way or the other yet"

How about exterminating Jews, is the purpose of life to keep an open mind on the morality of exterminating Jews.

Or, perhaps, could it be that the purpose of having an open mind is to be able to close it on a discovered truth.

And if one has not discovered anything in 76 years, all that means is one hasn’t learned a single thing.

Why would anyone claim that it is a noble, or even desirable thing not to have learned anything in 76 years.

 

[donmaximuso27]

donmaximuso27;3487764:

When speaking of faith and morals, we are sure of what is true and what is not.

I’ve been around for 76 years and I’m still seeking the truth. I thought that was what life was all about.
You are certainly very fortunate to have found it at such an early age. Congratulations!!!

I have not claimed that I know all that is true in life. I am discussing obvious matters of truth regarding doctrines of faith and morals. It doesn’t take a whole lifetime as a Catholic to realize that the Word of God clearly defines what is moral and what is a sin, nor does it take a lifetime to realize that the Church has been guided by the Holy Spirit in truth of all matters of faith and morals. A five year old Catholic who has been well raised in Scripture and the Catechism could tell a Catholic priest they do not have the academic freedom, nor the freedom as a priest or Catholic for that matter, to teach that homosexual acts and marriage is immoral. Honestly, this is a joke to debate over the obvious moral truths of God’s Word and Church.

 

[donmaximuso27]

I have not claimed that I know all that is true in life. I am discussing obvious matters of truth regarding doctrines of faith and morals. It doesn’t take a whole lifetime as a Catholic to realize that the Word of God clearly defines what is moral and what is a sin, nor does it take a lifetime to realize that the Church has been guided by the Holy Spirit in truth of all matters of faith and morals. A five year old Catholic who has been well raised in Scripture and the Catechism could tell a Catholic priest they do not have the academic freedom, nor the freedom as a priest or Catholic for that matter, to teach that homosexual acts and marriage is immoral. Honestly, this is a joke to debate over the obvious moral truths of God’s Word and Church.

*A five year old Catholic who has been well raised in Scripture and the Catechism could tell a Catholic priest they do not have the academic freedom, nor the freedom as a priest or Catholic for that matter, to teach that homosexual acts and marriage is moral.

 

[Cactus]

I hope he blasts them. How many have lost their faith from the attacks of these pseudo-Catholics? It would be far better to attend a secular institution than to become immune to any moving of the Holy Spirit by continual exposure to low-grade Catholicism at what was supposed to to be a place of enhancing one’s faith.

 

[davidcoit]

If I send my kid to a Catholic college I expect them to get a catholic education, after all, thats why I sent them there. If on the other hand, I don’t care about their religious education then I’ll send them where they can have the best “experiance”.

Jer.13:15,17

 

[Bob_Byrnes]

And if one has not discovered anything in 76 years, all that means is one hasn’t learned a single thing.

Why would anyone claim that it is a noble, or even desirable thing not to have learned anything in 76 years.

Your logic defies explanation. I think it best we go our separate ways.

 

[Bob_Byrnes]

Bob Byrnes;3488097:

I have not claimed that I know all that is true in life. I am discussing obvious matters of truth regarding doctrines of faith and morals. It doesn’t take a whole lifetime as a Catholic to realize that the Word of God clearly defines what is moral and what is a sin, nor does it take a lifetime to realize that the Church has been guided by the Holy Spirit in truth of all matters of faith and morals. A five year old Catholic who has been well raised in Scripture and the Catechism could tell a Catholic priest they do not have the academic freedom, nor the freedom as a priest or Catholic for that matter, to teach that homosexual acts and marriage is immoral. Honestly, this is a joke to debate over the obvious

moral truths of God’s Word and Church.

Enjoy your joke !!!

 

[donmaximuso27]

donmaximuso27;3488338:

Enjoy your joke !!!

Wow, such an intelligent refute there buddy. Honestly, if you think it’s a joke that the Church is infallible in faith and morals, and that everything within the Church should faithfully follow those faith and morals, then you should probably reevaulate why you’re Catholic in the first place. It’s this kind of modernism and theological liberalism that is harming the faith of many.

 

[Brendan]

Your logic defies explanation. I think it best we go our separate ways.

No please, point out where my logic fails.

This is what you said

It must be very comforting to be so sure of what is true and what is not

The only logical conclusion is you do not know any truths and thus you are unfamilar with the experience.

Either that, or you do not hold that truths can be known with certitude.

You cannot have it both ways. Either there IS absolute morality that can (and is) known (and thus should be taught exclusively), or there is no absoulte morality, and you really don’t know for sure if blacks are really human or if its immoral to kill Jews by the millions.

Either pick one or point out where the logic fails.

 

[estesbob]

This is not a matter of Academic freedom. No one is suggesting firing a teacher who metions their opinion on homosexual behavior or abortion. The problem is with the college allowing such things as a gay lesbian alliance or allowing planned parenthood acess to the campus or allwoing the performance of the Vagina Monologues or given out conatraceptives at the school clinic and or refering students for abortions.

 

[donmaximuso27]

This is not a matter of Academic freedom. No one is suggesting firing a teacher who metions their opinion on homosexual behavior or abortion. The problem is with the college allowing such things as a gay lesbian alliance or allowing planned parenthood acess to the campus or allwoing the performance of the Vagina Monologues or given out conatraceptives at the school clinic and or refering students for abortions.

I agree, those activities are definitely the main issue on campuses right now. But, having professors, either clergy or lay, who justify these activities in the classroom will only strengthen these immoral movements. Unfortunately, immoral acts allowed by the campus is not only a matter in extracuricular activities, but also is a matter in the academics also. Justification of sin that is clearly against the Church and God should not be allowed, whether inside or outside of the classroom, especially in Catholic Universities.

 

[Conservative]

It is not the obvious. Academic college life is supposed to be full of diverse, life changing learning experiences. To restrict what goes on is restricting the range of life changing experiences available to the students.

Trust me, today’s college students have already been exposed to “life changing experiences” - sadly, the negative ones were all too available to them prior to reaching college.

The point of **Catholic Colleges **- is a Catholic education. Not just in a theological setting - and not just by reason of the names “St.” or “Holy” - but by reason of its entire environment. A Catholic College should stand out - by reason of NOT offering the range of life changing experiences that have corrupted students. Offering such diversity on a Catholic campus, gives it a sort of “Imprimatur” just because it’s held on that particular campus. In doing so, they’ve surrendered their Catholic values to society’s whim.

 

[donmaximuso27]

Trust me, today’s college students have already been exposed to “life changing experiences” - sadly, the negative ones were all too available to them prior to reaching college.

The point of **Catholic Colleges **- is a Catholic education. Not just in a theological setting - and not just by reason of the names “St.” or “Holy” - but by reason of its entire environment. A Catholic College should stand out - by reason of NOT offering the range of life changing experiences that have corrupted students. Offering such diversity on a Catholic campus, gives it a sort of “Imprimatur” just because it’s held on that particular campus. In doing so, they’ve surrendered their Catholic values to society’s whim.

I completely agree. If order for a student, in modern America, not to be exposed to such diversity by the time they reach college, they they would have to be from some remote native reservation, or an extremely remote rurual area that has no communication with the world. I highly doubt that these type of people compose of more then 1% of any college campus. So clearly, not only is it immoral, but it is also completely unecessary and irrational to expose students to this diversity, even if it is just for the " life experience".

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

Trust me, today’s college students have already been exposed to “life changing experiences” - sadly, the negative ones were all too available to them prior to reaching college.

The point of **Catholic Colleges **- is a Catholic education. Not just in a theological setting - and not just by reason of the names “St.” or “Holy” - but by reason of its entire environment. A Catholic College should stand out - by reason of NOT offering the range of life changing experiences that have corrupted students. Offering such diversity on a Catholic campus, gives it a sort of “Imprimatur” just because it’s held on that particular campus. In doing so, they’ve surrendered their Catholic values to society’s whim.

No, you can still find many sheltered high school students who do not experience much until they leave their parents house and start exploring the real world.

The Catholic Church and all Catholic Universities and College exist in the real world, not a fictional utopia. Many schools have 30%+ of non-Catholics attending and need to provide the best experiences to the student body so they are not scared of the real world after they graduate if they are too sheltered even at a Catholic University or College.

 

[donmaximuso27]

No, you can still find many sheltered high school students who do not experience much until they leave their parents house and start exploring the real world.

The Catholic Church and all Catholic Universities and College exist in the real world, not a fictional utopia. Many schools have 30%+ of non-Catholics attending and need to provide the best experiences to the student body so they are not scared of the real world after they graduate if they are too sheltered even at a Catholic University or College.

They may not have experienced these things, but they definitely know of them. Catholic Universities should expose students to the sinful ways of the world, but not in the way of teaching that homosexuality/abortion/etc. is right, but in a way that teaches the students how to stay faithful and defend the faith in these matters. What they should experience is how to combat heresy using Scripture and the Church.

 

[estesbob]

No, you can still find many sheltered high school students who do not experience much until they leave their parents house and start exploring the real world.

The Catholic Church and all Catholic Universities and College exist in the real world, not a fictional utopia. Many schools have 30%+ of non-Catholics attending and need to provide the best experiences to the student body so they are not scared of the real world after they graduate if they are too sheltered even at a Catholic University or College.

So exposing them to deviant sexual behavior and promiscouity is needed to prepare them for the “real” world?