Catholic.com presidential poll

[LeafByNiggle]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I certainly was not making any point against the founding fathers.

If there is any political vehicle to power in this current election cycle that does not involve either a Republican or a Democrat, I do not know what it is.

I was responding to your comment of

My focus is only on the politics of our own generations, and what is available to us in the here and now.

I am suggesting that you should not confine your focus to the politics of our own generation, but think of the future - 4 years, 8 years, 12 years from now. The founding fathers were planning ahead for what they hoped would hundreds of years, and they were right.

This year is already a lost cause as far as the Presidency is concerned, as many mainstream Republicans are now realizing. They are wisely planning for life after Trump, and want to avoid being dragged down by him.

You may not have the power to get someone else elected this year. But you do hold the power to shape the direction for the future. That is a real power, even if it will not bear visible fruit this year.

 

[Vanny]

I did not support Donald Trump in the primaries.
However, these are desperate times.
The Orlando attack brought that home to me.
A couple of threads above this tell us what Hillary Clinton will do for abortion should she be elected. Abortion is a sacrament to her.
And will she keep us safe? I doubt it. She is parroting all the Obama talking points about guns being the cause of the mass shooting in Orlando when of course it was Radical Islamic terrorism. Why can’t they say it?
To me, the choice is clear. It will have to be Donald Trump.
In another time, maybe I would sit it out or write in Ted Cruz. But a third party, or a write-in , or sitting it out, is going to get Clinton elected. Make no mistake.
Donald Trump will at least have a cabinet full of Republicans and will hopefully choose a good conservative V.P.
We pro life conservatives should hold his feet to the fire.
This country can’t afford a third Obama term
And remember Benghazi.

 

[Darryl1958]

I was responding to your comment of

My focus is only on the politics of our own generations, and what is available to us in the here and now.

I am suggesting that you should not confine your focus to the politics of our own generation, but think of the future - 4 years, 8 years, 12 years from now. The founding fathers were planning ahead for what they hoped would hundreds of years, and they were right.

This year is already a lost cause as far as the Presidency is concerned, as many mainstream Republicans are now realizing. They are wisely planning for life after Trump, and want to avoid being dragged down by him.

You may not have the power to get someone else elected this year. But you do hold the power to shape the direction for the future. That is a real power, even if it will not bear visible fruit this year.

The cogent point is that it is “Republicans” who are planing for life post-Trump, or with Trump as the case may be.

Those (conservatives) who have abandoned the Republican party because of Trump being nominated by their former party no longer have any vehicle with which to advance their ideals.

It is the same with HRC, who is even of lower character than Trump. For those who agree with Democratic politics of publicly funded abortion on demand, etc, etc,they would no longer have the vehicle to advance their causes either, if they actually did choose to abandon the Democratic party (which is obviously not happening, at any rate).

The last 150 years of so, post-civil war has meant people in America being a part of two large umbrella political machines, called the GOP and the Dems. There is no change on the horizon, definitely not in 4 years, and likely not in 8 or 16 either. If there was something else out there, like, say, the Republican party was in the years leading up to the Civil War, then they might have a vehicle that would drive them where they want to be.

But that is not in the cards right now, and anyone who is abandoning the GOP(Mona Charen, Jay Nordingler) must know that.
They do know that, and they do express how pointless they have become in their podcasts.

 

[Darryl1958]

I did not support Donald Trump in the primaries.
However, these are desperate times.
The Orlando attack brought that home to me.
A couple of threads above this tell us what Hillary Clinton will do for abortion should she be elected. Abortion is a sacrament to her.
And will she keep us safe? I doubt it. She is parroting all the Obama talking points about guns being the cause of the mass shooting in Orlando when of course it was Radical Islamic terrorism. Why can’t they say it?
To me, the choice is clear. It will have to be Donald Trump.
In another time, maybe I would sit it out or write in Ted Cruz. But a third party, or a write-in , or sitting it out, is going to get Clinton elected. Make no mistake.
Donald Trump will at least have a cabinet full of Republicans and will hopefully choose a good conservative V.P.
We pro life conservatives should hold his feet to the fire.
This country can’t afford a third Obama term
And remember Benghazi.

The Dems are still the Dems. The third term of Obama will confirm that America is willing to allow those who shout death to America will be given a pathway to nuclear weapons.

The third term of Obama will mean that Christians will still be blamed for any and all terrorists attacks on America, and the Islamists will be able to continue to kill Americans with impunity.

It is dark times for America actually. Those conservatives who will sit out voting for Trump will also not be there to vote in Republican majorities in Congress either.

 

[Little_Sheep]

I strongly second this comment. It truly baffles me that any practicing Christian would consider either Hilary Clinton or Donald Trump. We have other options, use them. And pray that God will help us make the right decision.

As the Catholic vote goes, so goes the Presidency.

I suspect Catholics, like most other voters in this country, will resoundingly elect Hillary Clinton to be our next President.

 

[estesbob]

As the Catholic vote goes, so goes the Presidency.

I suspect Catholics, like most other voters in this country, will resoundingly elect Hillary Clinton to be our next President.

Abortion will remain legal in this country until Catholic Democrats come to love the unborn more than they hate the GOP

 

[Vanny]

The Dems are still the Dems. The third term of Obama will confirm that America is willing to allow those who shout death to America will be given a pathway to nuclear weapons.

The third term of Obama will mean that Christians will still be blamed for any and all terrorists attacks on America, and the Islamists will be able to continue to kill Americans with impunity.

It is dark times for America actually. Those conservatives who will sit out voting for Trump will also not be there to vote in Republican majorities in Congress either.

Exactly. Just imagine how much worse it will get in the next 4 years should she get in.

 

[EasterBeagle]

This will likely be my last post, as it was removed (and I got warned) because it was reported as campaigning. On a thread for a Presidential Poll? In my opinion this site is run by very liberal Catholics and anyone that differs is harassed till they leave. I’m sick and tired of being reported by pro-abortion CAF Members! For the years I’ve been here, moderators bite-at-the-bit reprimanding conservatives, but always seem to be asleep-at-the-wheel when reporting infractions by liberal members. It’s completely illogical to be doing battle like this on a so called “Catholic” site. This is the post that was unacceptable exactly as it was, take a quick look, it will be up for less than a minute. Good by all, I’m sure I’ll be banned, but I have no intention of taking part in one-sided debates.

“Catholics need to be cognizant that there may be as many as five seats on the US Supreme Court to be filled by the next President of the United States. Christians must be vigilant not to be influenced by cunning deception to vote for anyone other than the most Pro-Life Political Candidate which is Donald Trump, who has provided a list of outstanding Conservative Pro-Life Judges. We know with absolute certainty, that if elected, Hillary Clinton will fill every one of those vacancies with ultra liberal pro-abortion judges. Christians who vote for abortion directly enable those who rip these defenseless innocent pre-born babies apart. Jesus said that whosoever harms one of these little ones, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea (Mark 9:42)”:

Catholic-Voter.com

"Fr. Frank stated, “Mr. Trump was crystal clear about the need to defend and promote the sanctity of life, to preserve the institution of marriage, to appoint pro-life judges, and to protect religious liberty. In fact, he mentioned explicitly the efforts of some to “restrict religious liberty with government mandates.” Priests for Life was among the first group to challenge the HHS mandate in court, and our case went all the way to the Supreme Court and is still unresolved”:

priestsforlife.org/pressreleases/5741-fr-pavone-thanks-donald-trump-for-key-message-to-christians

lifesitenews.com/news/pro-life-leaders-praise-donald-trumps-exceptionally-strong-supreme-court-sh

 

[Convert_in_99]

This will likely be my last post, as it was removed (and I got warned) because it was reported as campaigning. On a thread for a Presidential Poll? In my opinion this site is run by very liberal Catholics and anyone that differs is harassed till they leave. I’m sick and tired of being reported by pro-abortion CAF Members! For the years I’ve been here, moderators bite-at-the-bit reprimanding conservatives, but always seem to be asleep-at-the-wheel when reporting infractions by liberal members. It’s completely illogical to be doing battle like this on a so called “Catholic” site. This is the post that was unacceptable exactly as it was, take a quick look, it will be up for less than a minute. Good by all, I’m sure I’ll be banned, but I have no intention of taking part in one-sided debates.

“Catholics need to be cognizant that there may be as many as five seats on the US Supreme Court to be filled by the next President of the United States. Christians must be vigilant not to be influenced by cunning deception to vote for anyone other than the most Pro-Life Political Candidate which is Donald Trump, who has provided a list of outstanding Conservative Pro-Life Judges. We know with absolute certainty, that if elected, Hillary Clinton will fill every one of those vacancies with ultra liberal pro-abortion judges. Christians who vote for abortion directly enable those who rip these defenseless innocent pre-born babies apart. Jesus said that whosoever harms one of these little ones, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea (Mark 9:42)”:

Catholic-Voter.com

"Fr. Frank stated, “Mr. Trump was crystal clear about the need to defend and promote the sanctity of life, to preserve the institution of marriage, to appoint pro-life judges, and to protect religious liberty. In fact, he mentioned explicitly the efforts of some to “restrict religious liberty with government mandates.” Priests for Life was among the first group to challenge the HHS mandate in court, and our case went all the way to the Supreme Court and is still unresolved”:

priestsforlife.org/pressreleases/5741-fr-pavone-thanks-donald-trump-for-key-message-to-christians

lifesitenews.com/news/pro-life-leaders-praise-donald-trumps-exceptionally-strong-supreme-court-sh

I’m a practicing pro-life Catholic who will NOT be voting for EITHER Trump or Hillary, and I am being bullied by Republican practicing Catholics who tell me I’m pro-choice unless I vote for Trump. So there you be.

 

[EasterBeagle]

I’m a practicing pro-life Catholic who will NOT be voting for EITHER Trump or Hillary, and I am being bullied by Republican practicing Catholics who tell me I’m pro-choice unless I vote for Trump. So there you be.

Didn’t get banned yet. Anyhow, how do you justify allowing a serious pro-death candidate be elected? I seen this before with Catholics who refused to vote for Romney. So we ended up with Obama. How did that help?

 

[Convert_in_99]

Didn’t get banned yet. Anyhow, how do you justify allowing a serious pro-death candidate be elected? I seen this before with Catholics who refused to vote for Romney. So we ended up with Obama. How did that help?

Obama won because Romney was a bad choice. Hillary will win because Trump is a bad choice on the Republicans’ part. I voted for neither Obama nor Romney. I will vote for neither Hillary nor Trump. If Trump looses its because the current Republicans elected a horrible choice of candidates, not because I didn’t vote for him. This can go two ways.

 

[EasterBeagle]

Obama won because Romney was a bad choice. Hillary will win because Trump is a bad choice on the Republicans’ part. I voted for neither Obama nor Romney. I will vote for neither Hillary nor Trump. If Trump looses its because the current Republicans elected a horrible choice of candidates, not because I didn’t vote for him. This can go two ways.

How was Romney a bad choice compared to Obama? Now we are paying $500 million a year to Planned Parenthood. That would have never happened with Romney. I can’t see the rational of spite, particularly when the lives of the most innocent are at stake.

 

[brad90956]

How was Romney a bad choice compared to Obama? Now we are paying $500 million a year to Planned Parenthood. That would have never happened with Romney. I can’t see the rational of spite, particularly when the lives of the most innocent are at stake.

 

[Convert_in_99]

How was Romney a bad choice compared to Obama? Now we are paying $500 million a year to Planned Parenthood. That would have never happened with Romney. I can’t see the rational of spite, particularly when the lives of the most innocent are at stake.

Because they are still pro-choice in at least some circumstances. You are thus still voting for a pro-choice candidate. If Trump looses you will have still voted for a pro-choice candidate, I will not have. Lesser pro-choice is still pro-choice. Thus I refuse to vote pro-choice. I will be voting for NEITHER pro-choice candidate.

 

[EasterBeagle]

Because they are still pro-choice in at least some circumstances. You are thus still voting for a pro-choice candidate. If Trump looses you will have still voted for a pro-choice candidate, I will not have. Lesser pro-choice is still pro-choice. Thus I refuse to vote pro-choice. I will be voting for NEITHER pro-choice candidate.

Obviously we will never have a perfect Saint like Mother Theresa or Padre Pio running for Presidential Office. If someone is 90% Pro-Life and the other is 100% pro-death; you cannot see the difference?

 

[Convert_in_99]

Obviously we will never have a perfect Saint like Mother Theresa or Padre Pio running for Presidential Office. If someone is 90% Pro-Life and the other is 100% pro-death; you cannot see the difference?

Yes, I can. One is less pro-choice than the other. But he’s still pro-choice. Just because he allows 10 babies to be aborted, instead of 90, he still is allowing the deaths 10 of innocent lives! You can risk voting that way, I’m not. :nope:

 

[EasterBeagle]

That makes no sense. The only positive action that can be done is get Pro-Life Justices, that was what Romney would have done, and Trump provided a list of Pro-Life Justices. Obama appointed pro-death Justices, and handed over $500 million / year to PP. That’s a sin.

 

[Convert_in_99]

Yay! Third party/sitting this one out is catching up to Trumpers! :dancing:

 

[jediliz]

Yay! Third party/sitting this one out is catching up to Trumpers! :dancing:

then don’t complain when you are forced to pay for more abortions via taxes and your right to own a gun is even more restricted. because voting 3rd party (think Ross Perot in 1992) gives HILARY the presidency.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

then don’t complain when you are forced to pay for more abortions via taxes and your right to own a gun is even more restricted. because voting 3rd party (think Ross Perot in 1992) gives HILARY the presidency.

If being pro-life was an important part of the GOP platform, then this candidate wouldn’t be the candidate.

If Pope Francis had an American cousin named George who was running for president, and shared all the Catholic values the Pope has, the GOP wouldn’t vote for him, because they would consider him too liberal. I fear many Catholics wouldn’t vote for him because of “prudential judgement”

The Democrats wouldn’t vote for him because he was too conservative.

I won’t be voting for Trump or Hillary. My state is not at all a swing state.

If Hillary becomes president, maybe it will be a wake-up call to those who thought Trump would be the savior of the unborn. And I also fear that if Trump becomes president, it will be a wake up call as well.

God help us.