Catholic democrats?

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I,m curious about something. I believe that we all have to follow the Church’s teaching. So most of you THINK that Bush is inline with That teaching on everything.
 
Take a look further down this forum and you will find everything has already been said…and the moderators have locked the thread…oh and its titled catholic democrats.
 
I Know I’m new here. I wanted to be able to say what I thought. Sorry, I hope i didn’t offend you. Peace be with you
 
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Fogny:
What in the world is new.
We still have…
Sin
the occasion of sin
poverty
poor
war
corruption
liars
theives
the rich
I could go on

Fogny
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I see you have ommited abortion,Gay Marriage ,Embryonic stemcell research,cloning,ect.Did you deliberately omit them?Just out of curiousity why would the rich be mentioned?According to my thinking being rich is not in and of itself a crime or sin.Is it not what you choose or not choose to do with your money?God Bless
 
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aimee:
Take a look further down this forum and you will find everything has already been said…and the moderators have locked the thread…oh and its titled catholic democrats.
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Hello aimee,I think the other thread was locked because the thread starter started two of them and basically was not looking for dialogue but arguments:) God Bless
 
Tyler Smedley:
Please say what you mean.
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As the only Catholic to be elected President, if you read what he stood for and what in fact he did accomplish and started but could not finish, he was a Catholic democrat. I personally think his infidelity does not tarnish his acheivements, all though he was wrong in his promiscuity. The current democratic party should focus on ways to answer the Evengelical christians argument on how to rectify abortion though the courts,rather they should focus on single mother poverty, adoption, moral conscience ect. This is a diificult issue, but focusing on abortion only and gay marriage leaves many important moral issues championed by democrats historically and the Catholic church relagated to minor signifance in our present society. President Kennedy adressed those issues then and as I point out they are still with us.
I hope this releives any confusion.

Fogny
 
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Fogny:
The current democratic party should focus on ways to answer the Evengelical christians argument on how to rectify abortion though the courts,rather they should focus on single mother poverty, adoption, moral conscience ect.
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This sounds like you’re advancing the proposition that poverty justifies abortion – and if we cannot overcome the problems some people have, we must allow them to kill their children.
 
vern humphrey:
This sounds like you’re advancing the proposition that poverty justifies abortion – and if we cannot overcome the problems some people have, we must allow them to kill their children.
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Your a $%$%^%
 
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dbrown:
Hello everyone,

I’m new here and also a recent convert to the Catholic Faith. I was going to post this on a previous post but it was closed. Anyways I have always been a pro-life Democrat and my point is how can anyone say I voted for Bush because he’s pro-life when it’s pretty clear that over 5’000 innocent pregnant women and others were killed in a war that clearly does not meet the just war doctrine of the Church.
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Around and around it goes, will this topic never die? The ADministrator is going to have to post a full time moderator just to look for the “Catholic Democrat” or Pro-Life Democrat" threads. They’re like cockroaches, as soon as one is snuffed, two more pop up. I wouldn’t mind so much if the originator of the threads actually put some thought into the opening commentary, but they all start with the same freaking message, “I can’t vote for (Bush or Republicans in general, take your pick) because they are mean (corrupt, selfish, liars, take your pick)”, without substantiating their claim. Try to make a legitimate arguement, instead of the endless string of anti-conservative ad homenimisms.
 
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Fogny:
Your a $%$%^%
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What is a dollar sign percentage, dollar sign percentage, up arrow percentage? I did a google, can came up with bupkiss.
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
Around and around it goes, will this topic never die? The ADministrator is going to have to post a full time moderator just to look for the “Catholic Democrat” or Pro-Life Democrat" threads. They’re like cockroaches, as soon as one is snuffed, two more pop up. I wouldn’t mind so much if the originator of the threads actually put some thought into the opening commentary, but they all start with the same freaking message, “I can’t vote for (Bush or Republicans in general, take your pick) because they are mean (corrupt, selfish, liars, take your pick)”, without substantiating their claim. Try to make a legitimate arguement, instead of the endless string of anti-conservative ad homenimisms.
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You’re just jealous because he didn’t comment on your a $%$%^%.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
 
I agree Im getting wiery of catholic democrat posts also. Im a c\very conservative republican in the mold of jesse helms, and barry goldwater in his young days. I dont trust government much at all. I dont believe in government being charity, I believe in getting rid of the federal reserve and bringing back the gold standard. I believe the only laws concearing guns we should have are laws to protect gun buyers from being defrauded. I believe the constitution is not a living document, and should be followed as the framers intended. but before all that Im Catholic first. with knowing all that you’d think Id never vote democrat, but I have. in my state house districtthe republican party put a proabortionest to run against the incumbent democrat, I voted for the democrat, because he was prolife, and thats millions of times more important that all the other stuff I listed as my stands. people claiming to be prolife putting things like economics and war policy as more important or equil to abortion just amazes me. abortion is never going to be made illegal with the current attitude of american catholics. I have an idea. lets put all the other issues asside and vote in all proilfers to get abortion safely illegal and not funded , then we can worry about the other trivial stuff later. My great hope is Heaven, not the econemy!!!
 
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dbrown:
I,m curious about something. I believe that we all have to follow the Church’s teaching. So most of you THINK that Bush is inline with That teaching on everything.
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No I don’t think that Bush is in line with the Church teaching with everything. He should be alot closer on some issues such as contraception. But what I am saying is that he was the best canidate in the last presidental election. Kerry was at best a weak kneed Catholic, who was (lets face it) a heretic. He told people that it was ok to be personally opposed to abortion but to allow it for other people. That is directlly against Church teaching. Bush was the better of two evils in the last election.
 
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dbrown:
And don’t misunderstand me. The right to live is VERY important, But so are other very critical issue’s that the Republican party does not uphold that represents our faith. The Church is to always align it’s self with the poor, and the ones who feel helpless. One more thing numbers are really not that important one murder is to many and one abortion is to many.
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There is no misunderstanding you as another “Catholic Democrat” seeking credibility for misconstrued logic and opinions.

The right to life is the preeminent constitutional and God given right. The Democrats seek to deny this to the not yet born. Those other “very critical issues” are not comparable issues until the basic fundamental right to life (birth) of the not yet born are recognized and upheld. The Church does recognize this in making it’s mission and task to align with the poor, the helpless, and the most vulnerable to exploitation and degredation of their God given dignity. Who above the child in it’s mother’s womb do you suggest is more “helpless” and vulnerable and in need of explicit protection?

One more thing, since when do numbers not count–such a callous, crass statement to make those 45,000,000 children intentionally dismembered and killed in the womb. Shame on you for invalidating their existance and numbers.
 
If numbers don’t count, then the Holocaust is no more significant than a drive-by shooting in the rough part of town.

Those who place “social justice” above other issues (such as abortion) must demonstrate that there can be social justice without a right to life.
 
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dbrown:
The Church is to always align it’s self with the poor, and the ones who feel helpless.
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There is no group of people on earth more helpless than unborn children. Period.
 
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Genesis315:
There is no group of people on earth more helpless than unborn children. Period.
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Nor more innocent, nor more deserving of our protection.

What sort of people would kill those whom they were born to protect – their own sons and daughters?
 
vern humphrey:
If numbers don’t count, then the Holocaust is no more significant than a drive-by shooting in the rough part of town.

Those who place “social justice” above other issues (such as abortion) must demonstrate that there can be social justice without a right to life.
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Bernardin’s legacy?
 
vern humphrey:
Nor more innocent, nor more deserving of our protection.

What sort of people would kill those whom they were born to protect – their own sons and daughters?
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Most women who become pregant unexpectedly panic. They are very scared. Add to this the fact that their spineless coward boyfriends or whoever impregnated them who thought they were getting consequence-free sex are now also in a bind. I’m willing to bet that in the majority of cases, women are pressured by these so-called “men” into having an abortion. It’s no sweat of their back. The freedom “to choose” is a lie. It prevents women from making the choice that I truly believe deep down in their hearts they want to choose. All the pressure from outside sources (parents, boyfriend, our culture of money worship) will be totally moot. You never hear anyone say later in life that they regret choosing not to have an abortion or that they’re glad they had an abortion.
 
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