Catholic High School with Disturbing Reading Lists

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whatevergirl said:
Really, this all boils down to this. If you are paying tuition…[and Catholic high schools are not cheap across the nation…we investigated sending our son to one when we moved to Florida, and they wanted something like $15k per year–and that excludes books, etc.] and you are okay with your kids reading garbage, disguised as teaching tools…that is your choice. If you are sending your kids to Catholic school to receive a Catholic education–and your kids are being handing sexually explicit reading materials, and they are being passed off as teaching tools, that is your choice. 👍 I agree.

Let’s not call a spade a shovel. A spade is a spade, and it seems like this school is not at all concerned at shaping the minds and hearts of young adults, by promoting a book to edify life, and the faith…but rather promoting a book that parents need to read alongside their kids because the material is too explicit. A parent shouldn’t have to do this, unless they choose to read the book–not because they have to defend the faith…I mean, we have to defend the faith to non Catholics…we now have to defend the faith to Catholics?:confused:

If the Catholic schools in our nation start becoming secularized…they will not be any different from secular schools. And the next point will be, why have Catholic schools at all, sadly. And again…to come full circle to my earlier point…if you are okay with sending your kid to a Catholic school that is becoming secularized in its teaching, that is your choice. But, let’s not call a spade something else–this book has nothing to do with the faith, and is not edifying for KIDS. And if you are not OK with it, then please say something, and expect to be accommodated. The parent is the first educator of the child as stated by the Church, and in the US, has a legal right to opt out that child of anything he or she finds morally objectionable, esp. with the price of tuition in Catholic high schools today!

Just my two cents.🙂
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OutinChgoburbs said:
IF it is a Catholic school, and
IF Catholic schools are supposed to represent a certain moral teaching as evidenced by following the Magisterium, and
IF the students are considered underaage, subject to their parents, and
IF the parents are paying the expenses of these students,
IF a teacher presents a book that the parents consider morally objectionable for their children to read, and
IF the book in question involves the excerpt I read,
THEN the parents have a right to consider the book morally objectionable.
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Nobody is debating anybody’s right to find anthing morally objectionable.

The question is: What does your husband the ethics professor finds ethically questionable about the book.
 
OutinChgoburbs said:
He said, “What kind of good context is there for such a paragraph that glorifies child rape and incest? What excuse for such can there be? Please- get as inventive as you please, I beg of you!”
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I agree. I guess people are tentative to call this what it is…garbage, disguised as literature.

But again…maybe some people don’t mind paying oodles of money for a Catholic education…and instead receive a secular one. Maybe that is okay for some. It wouldn’t be for me. And it’s not about money–it’s about making the decision to send one’s child to Catholic school, to learn how to grow in holiness…to uphold Catholic morals…etc. If this were distributed in a college classroom, I wouldn’t have the same opinion although I wouldn’t read it. 😃
 
whatevergirl said:
I agree. I guess people are tentative to call this what it is…garbage, disguised as literature.

But again…maybe some people don’t mind paying oodles of money for a Catholic education…and instead receive a secular one. Maybe that is okay for some. It wouldn’t be for me. And it’s not about money–it’s about making the decision to send one’s child to Catholic school, to learn how to grow in holiness…to uphold Catholic morals…etc. If this were distributed in a college classroom, I wouldn’t have the same opinion although I wouldn’t read it. 😃
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Exactly! And the OP found it questionable, And she has a right, particularly for that sum of money, to find it so, and to request an alternative.
 
OutinChgoburbs said:
He said, "What kind of good context is there for such a paragraph that glorifies child rape and incest?

Why does he think it “glorifies” child rape? This I find hard to fathom from the text that was provided.

I’m really confused as to how one could find any form of glorification in that passage.
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OutinChgoburbs:
Exactly. Something like this should be optional reading, not mandatory. It really concerns me that a Catholic school would make this MANDATORY reading. I mean, who chose this book? A person in the clergy? That is even more alarming.

Too many red flags with this Catholic school. I’m also concerned that Catholic parents on this forum, are all not in agreement that this book shouldn’t be mandatory reading.

I’m just alarmed in general, today, maybe.:o 😛
 
OutinChgoburbs said:
Exactly! And the OP found it questionable, And she has a right, particularly for that sum of money, to find it so, and to request an alternative.
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Of course she has a right to find it questionable. She has a right to find the tomato sauce they used in the canteen questionable if she wants.

But this is not what we are discussing here.
 
thomfra said:
Why does he think it “glorifies” child rape? This I find hard to fathom from the text that was provided.

I’m really confused as to how one could find any form of glorification in that passage.
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someone else in this thread pm’d me another excerpt…and there is no mistaking that the book is about looking at molestation through the eyes of the molestor…and the author is sexualizing it as though it is a normal. The excerpt is so bad, that he/she won’t post it here…and I can attest to it. Kids should not be reading this. Nothing edifying about it. Its really digusting and twisted. I love all types of literature, but I’m an adult and can make appropriate determinations when reading something. 16/17 yr old girls going to Catholic school shouldn’t be subjected to this. We might not share the same views on this and that’s ok. But, all I’m saying is it should not be forced upon anyone to read in that school.
 
thomfra said:
Why does he think it “glorifies” child rape? This I find hard to fathom from the text that was provided.

I’m really confused as to how one could find any form of glorification in that passage.
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Then you do not share our views, and while you are entitled to them, you would not understand if I sat here all day. Suffice it to say you are probably not aristotlean in your life view, and only hoping to win an argument, not question the morality of 1.) whether or not the OP has a moral (and legal) right to question what her daughter is being force fed in Literature class and 2.) whether or not old children about to be young people have the right to edifying materials in their classroom. You will no doubt twist what I posted, twist what he said, until you can decalre VICTORY and in my face.
:banghead: The fact remains that ethically, he would not recommend it for 16-18 year olds. He would NOT use the book- and philosophy and ethics classes often use literature as an underpinning for moral determination. He found it personally reprehensible. Why should you be upset that he doesn’t follow some liberal agenda, but sticks to logic and his faith? He has integrity, which is something I don’t often see in professors these days.
 
whatevergirl said:
someone else in this thread pm’d me another excerpt…and there is no mistaking that the book is about looking at molestation through the eyes of the molestor…and the author is sexualizing it as though it is a normal. The excerpt is so bad, that he/she won’t post it here…and I can attest to it. Kids should not be reading this. Nothing edifying about it.
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I was sent it as well. I wanted to vomit when I read it. As it happens, after yesterday’s episodes, I went to the library where I was able to obtain a copy. I thought it too “nerdy” to state that. But if we are going to play this game of one-upsmanship, I would’t print any excerpts from the book. TMA and too disgusting besides.
 
whatevergirl said:
someone else in this thread pm’d me another excerpt…and there is no mistaking that the book is about looking at molestation through the eyes of the molestor…and the author is sexualizing it as though it is a normal. The excerpt is so bad, that he/she won’t post it here…and I can attest to it. Kids should not be reading this. Nothing edifying about it.
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I haven’t read the book (unlikely to read it either). So I guess if there is new disturbing passages to read, I’ll say pass!
 
OutinChgoburbs said:
I was sent it as well. I wanted to vomit when I read it. As it happens, after yesterday’s episodes, I went to the library where I was able to obtain a copy. I thought it too “nerdy” to state that. But if we are going to play this game of one-upsmanship, I would’t print any excerpts from the book. TMA and too disgusting besides.
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It was gross. My guess is that the school received the book for free…because maybe this is a contemporary author, looking to expand her readership. When I freelance wrote, I became friends with someone who wrote a book, and she would give her books to schools for free…so she could build a ‘clientele.’ And if someone just quickly read the back cover or something, then that could also be a reason it was chosen. If someone read this book however, and thought this would be appropriate reading material for Catholic school teens…something really stinks in Denmark. :eek:
 
thomfra said:
I haven’t read the book (unlikely to read it either). So I guess if there is new disturbing passages to read, I’ll say pass!
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really, thom–trust me. I am not an alarmist.:o I’m actually pretty openminded, and to me, this is disgraceful.
 
OutinChgoburbs said:
Then you do not share our views, and while you are entitled to them, you would not understand if I sat here all day. Suffice it to say you are probably not aristotlean in your life view, and only hoping to win an argument, not question the morality of 1.) whether or not the OP has a moral (and legal) right to question what her daughter is being force fed in Literature class and 2.) whether or not old children about to be young people have the right to edifying materials in their classroom. You will no doubt twist what I posted, twist what he said, until you can decalre VICTORY and in my face.
:banghead: The fact remains that ethically, he would not recommend it for 16-18 year olds. He would NOT use the book- and philosophy and ethics classes often use literature as an underpinning for moral determination. He found it personally reprehensible. Why should you be upset that he doesn’t follow some liberal agenda, but sticks to logic and his faith? He has integrity, which is something I don’t often see in professors these days.
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Calm down! Nobody is having a go at your husband. I am sure he’s a top bloke.
  1. As I said - you have every moral and legal right to protest.
  2. I am not upset about a person I don’t know having viewpoints which don’t agree with mine.
The question I asked was how the passage which was provided (and read to your husband) could be construed as glorifying child rape. I just didn’t get that tone from the passage at all. Quite the opposite. The passage merely showed how increadibly warped one has to be to do these things. How increadibly warped the attackers justifications are.
 
whatevergirl said:
really, thom–trust me. I am not an alarmist.:o I’m actually pretty openminded, and to me, this is disgraceful.
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Well I can agree that constantly focussing on the muck and yuck of the world doesn’t really bring much positive.

Perhaps better to say “Ok, this exists, it sucks” lets try and find a postive way of fixing it.
 
I wonder if people have a perception of 16-17 year olds being more intellectually mature than they actually are…

I don’t think any person of any age has to read graphic descriptions of child rape to be horrified by it.
 
leonie said:
I wonder if people have a perception of 16-17 year olds being more intellectually mature than they actually are…

I don’t think any person of any age has to read graphic descriptions of child rape to be horrified by it.
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agreed.

and agree with you too, thom. i think a good ‘fix’ would be to make the reading optional.
 
thomfra said:
Well I can agree that constantly focussing on the muck and yuck of the world doesn’t really bring much positive.

Perhaps better to say “Ok, this exists, it sucks” lets try and find a postive way of fixing it.
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Shouldn’t Catholic schools instead be focusing on what is TRUE, GOOD, and BEAUTIFUL???

When you get to know the real thing, things that are true, good, and beautiful, you will recognize the counterfeits.

Children’s minds are too precious to waste.
For thousands of dollars spent on tuition, they should be getting an exceptional education, not one that is subpar.
 
whatevergirl said:
**someone else in this thread pm’d me another excerpt…and there is no mistaking that the book is about looking at molestation through the eyes of the molestor…and the author is sexualizing it as though it is a normal. **The excerpt is so bad, that he/she won’t post it here…and I can attest to it. Kids should not be reading this. Nothing edifying about it. Its really digusting and twisted. I love all types of literature, but I’m an adult and can make appropriate determinations when reading something. 16/17 yr old girls going to Catholic school shouldn’t be subjected to this. We might not share the same views on this and that’s ok. But, all I’m saying is it should not be forced upon anyone to read in that school.
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Actually, this is completely incorrect. You really need to read the book before you put someone else’s interpretation out there. The ENITRE book is written from the persepctive of the victim!
 
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