I don’t think you or anyone is being told by the Church that you are unsuitable for any vocation. Its interesting, I have said on other threads that we need to treat the SSA individuals with more love and charity in the Church. The response is often that it is not uncharitable to call members of Christ’s Church ugly names and accuse people they have never met of unspeakable crimes. I cannot understand that definition of charity.
Agreed. And what about the ridiculous accusations that SSA dominates one’s life as though they can do no good Christian acts? It was mentioned in one of these posts. I find this a deplorable attitude. Actually I already have my vocation in the Legion of Mary. That’s how I know that God loves me just as I am and I am quite capable of Christian charity.
The reference of Judas holding the purse and being a thief is an oxymoron. A homosexual man being a Boy Scout Master is a similar mismatch. For priests to have SSA falls in line with all mentioned above.
Well then with a priesthood of heterosexuals only we better go back to frobidding altar girls.
Let’s get our definitions straight…
Take what from there? What proof is there that a man with SSA is any weaker around boys than a heterosexual man is around girls? If we had had altar girls for the history of the Church do you really think we would never have had a similar case of a priest abusing one or more of them?
Jim,
Now where do you come up with the idea that SSA is worse than even suicide. I can follow your reasoning everywhere but there. Unless your suggesting that everyone who cannot clear themselves of SSA should just kill themselves to create a better world. Your post was charitable except for that. I would rather be SSA than ever commit suicide.
We may, indeed, have had problem with abuse of young girls if that were the case. I could write a whole other thread about the problematic state of altar girls. This however, is not the issue. Hyper-sexualized behavior and permissiveness are hallmarks of the male-homosexual community (far more than women with SSA). I believe there was an earlier post with a link to a study of this phenomenon. You can believe it or not, but please don’t pretend that men with SSA have the same normal sexual appetites as most heterosexual men. The facts simply do not bear this out! Please don’t be obtuse about this.
Well then you need better glasses.
I am SSA but am certainly NOT hypersexualized. I do not sit around thinking about sex anymore than married couples do. It seems that you might be drawing some false conclusions yourself. But I wish not to get into personal arguments so let’s stick to the topic at hand, shall we?To clarify:
And this may very well be true, in fact is, about homosexual acts. But one who is only SSA has not committed any act. Your previous post made it sound like SSA in and of itself is worse than suicide when there is no sin involved in being same sex attracted. There is no more obstruction of passing on one’s genes than a heterosexual man who deliberately chooses never to marry. My dispute is not over the sinfulness of homosexual acts.
No argument here. In fact isn’t it ironic how everyone takes a study that says the abuser is 20 times more likely to be homosexual to mean a homosexual is 20 times more likely to be an abuser? There are so many homosexuals that live quiet lives and never even act out but are are bombarded with this constant false message that they are evil just by their very nature. I have constantly agreed that homosexual acts are sinful but I just refuse to see that they are any more sinful than any other sexual act outside of marriage. I don’t see anyone really complaining with thread after thread of all those who doing those acts of fornication and adultery. Their crime is just as great because they keep it hidden and are not publicly protesting but think noone know it is going on.
Where do you get this stuff? The Church has never said the only two vocations are either be married or be ordained. And, it bears mentioning, this thread isn’t about you. No one is talking about you (except you, that is). What is being discussed are general statistical trends among a certain population.
Again, no one is saying that (except you).
Dr. Robert Johnson, in *Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, *reports: "The vast majority of cases of male sexual molestation is not reported. As a result, these young men keep both the incidents and their feelings to themselves. The Department of Justice report on child sexual exploitation explains why the percentage of boy victims is underestimated: “Adolescent boy victims are highly likely to deny certain types of sexual activity. . . . They are embarrassed and ashamed of their behavior and rightfully believe that society will not understand their victimization. . . . No matter what the investigator does, most adolescent boys will deny they were victims.” The Journal of Child Psychiatry adds: “Boys are usually encultured into an ethos where self-reliance, independence and sexual prowess are valued, while showing hurt or homosexuality are denigrated. . . . This may lead to powerful repression or deletion of the experience, with failure to report.”
I agree. As a member of the Catholic League, I must say that they are trying to clear the air, but have a long way to go. The media has already run amok with their interpretation of the events and advanced their view. This, coupled with the mainstream anti-Catholicism, has allowed the Church to continually be smeared.
Princeton is in ANOTHER world.