Catholic priest converts to Islam

[ralphinal]

Personally, let him go. I could care less about who goes where and why EXCEPT for the fact that others may be led down the wrong road because of him. If the actions of others make him think that his faith is wrong, then NO FAITH ON THIS PLANET is correct. All religious systems have fallen humans in them and all have hypocrites and idiots. Sorry, but that is life.

 

[Booklover]

I just can’t figure out why “Catholics” start these kinds of threads…really beats the hell out of me…

I agree!

Vickie

 

[rpp]

Well here is a mature Catholic _ Born in !961 _ remeber - seeing JFK on TV - the Moon Landing- and I was home the day Robert Kennedy met his fate- And I will still drag the first Muslem and his family who dares to set foot in Vatican City to Hell!!

DD

 

[tomshaikh]

I saw a report concerning a Catholic priest who converted to Islam. However, I don’t know all the details of the background of the Catholic priest. He says that part of the motivation was from the good example of people in Egypt praying five times a day:
youtube.com/watch?v=pn0iPlWQNlI
Does anyone have further information on this?

You are good man the laltain.:) My advice to you as a cyber friend. Try to find out about Unitarium Christians. I think they do not believe Jesus as a Son Of God or God. And try to visit this site [www.harunyahya.com](www.harunyahya.com). It has some good documentary movies. It will help you to think more and more. My way of telling you all about my religion is sarcastic and God fearing. But try to read about my religion and book with open mind and not thinking that it is related to you by yourself. And it is talking racism to christians and jews. My next thread is on Why Jews and Christians asked too much from there Prophets. One of them is vegetable instead of fruit which is heavenly product.

 

[bobzills]

I just can’t figure out why “Catholics” start these kinds of threads…really beats the hell out of me…

I was interested to know who this Catholic priest was and what was his motivation for converting to Islam.

 

[Righteousone]

I was interested to know who this Catholic priest was and what was his motivation for converting to Islam.

I do not want to know a man who the devil has entered.

 

[tomshaikh]

I do not want to know a man who the devil has entered.

Who do you quote in signature. I thought some christians do not believes in St. Paul.

No devil does not entered him. He is as like that he never committ any sins. I am glad that he did not wait for Jesus pbuh of second coming. He is like a baby. Allah give him long life to express his view about Islam to his own ethnic people. May Peace And Blessing With Him Ameen and I end with this verse of Quran by Dr. Mohsin

The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians). [Quran-1:7]

 

[inJESUS]

> Who do you quote in signature. I thought some christians do not believes in St. Paul.



:confused:  no Christian does not believe in St. Paul.




> The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians). [Quran-1:7]



 do you really believe that this verse is the first thing uttered by God in a holy book? in which scriptures do you read about God starting his messenger's mission by spreading hatred towards others?

 

[LilyM]

What do you mean ‘doesn’t believe in St Paul’? We believe in God and Jesus Christ alone - we may accept or follow the teachings of St Paul (or not). But his writings are part of our scripture, so 99% of all Christians do accept him.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Statistical FACT:

There are more Muslims in CHINA than there are in Saudi Arabia. So using Saudi Arabia as a measuring stick for Muslims is not a very accurate thing to do, at all.

Do ALL Muslims pray all their prayers? Duh, of course they don’t. But more do than don’t–at least, in my experience, more do than don’t. If the person is PRACTICING ISLAM, they are praying. It isn’t something for the exceptional people, really, because it is mandated.

And by the way, those five daily minimum prayers–this is not saying grace before a meal, ya’ll. I’m talking about a 5-10 minute “time-out” from everything that involves standing, bowing, prostration, and also purification (washing up beforehand.) If you do that five times a day… sheesh.

One person asked if more prayer means a person is more religious… to whoever asked that–what do YOU think? People who don’t pray are more religious than those who do? hehe. Prayer is communication with God. How talking to God could make you less religious is a marvel to me.

tomshaikh, you asked me about a hadith–in fact it is a SAHIH hadith, and it is NOT about women. You’re thinking, regarding women, of a hadith saying that a woman’s prayer is better at home than a mosque, and better in a small room than a big one, etc etc etc for her modesty or whatever. I’m NOT talking about that in fact but about another hadith, which says that the prayer AT HOME is superior to the one at the mosque, EXCEPT the fard salaat. And it was about taraweeh, actually, some people trying to pray taraweeh behind Muhammad (saws) and he told them that. In short, the FARD prayers are better in the masjid. But the OTHER prayers (for the readers–fard prayers are the mandatory ones, 5 times a day), the prayers that aren’t fard are better prayed at home.

 

[tomshaikh]

Statistical FACT:

There are more Muslims in CHINA than there are in Saudi Arabia. So using Saudi Arabia as a measuring stick for Muslims is not a very accurate thing to do, at all.

Do ALL Muslims pray all their prayers? Duh, of course they don’t. But more do than don’t–at least, in my experience, more do than don’t. If the person is PRACTICING ISLAM, they are praying. It isn’t something for the exceptional people, really, because it is mandated.

And by the way, those five daily minimum prayers–this is not saying grace before a meal, ya’ll. I’m talking about a 5-10 minute “time-out” from everything that involves standing, bowing, prostration, and also purification (washing up beforehand.) If you do that five times a day… sheesh.

One person asked if more prayer means a person is more religious… to whoever asked that–what do YOU think? People who don’t pray are more religious than those who do? hehe. Prayer is communication with God. How talking to God could make you less religious is a marvel to me.

tomshaikh, you asked me about a hadith–in fact it is a SAHIH hadith, and it is NOT about women. You’re thinking, regarding women, of a hadith saying that a woman’s prayer is better at home than a mosque, and better in a small room than a big one, etc etc etc for her modesty or whatever. I’m NOT talking about that in fact but about another hadith, which says that the prayer AT HOME is superior to the one at the mosque, EXCEPT the fard salaat. And it was about taraweeh, actually, some people trying to pray taraweeh behind Muhammad (saws) and he told them that. In short, the FARD prayers are better in the masjid. But the OTHER prayers (for the readers–fard prayers are the mandatory ones, 5 times a day), the prayers that aren’t fard are better prayed at home.

I got your mean. I thought that taraweeh is inscribe during Hazrat Umar(R.A) times. He introduced taraweeh not Muhammad (Saws)

 

[Sister_Amy]

I got your mean. I thought that taraweeh is inscribe during Hazrat Umar(R.A) times. He introduced taraweeh not Muhammad (Saws)

Muhammad (saws) used to pray taraweeh in his home. The people wanted to pray with him then and he said that he was afraid it would become obligatory on them if they did that.

 

[Woodstock]

I just saw a similar conversion story.

ocala.com/assets/slideshow/muslim/journey/index.html

The woman says that the only thing she knew of Islam was terrorism, cutting off hands, and cruelty. Then she went overseas and met Muslims who were ordinary people trying to live their lives. She started questioning the people who told her that Muslims were all terrorists and rejecting what they said. She then grew to like the people and their simplicity. Once she got to know them, she felt good about still believing in Jesus, but viewing Him differently. If she knew Jesus, she didn’t remember Him any longer. Jesus told us that we are his hands and feet, so if she didn’t know Him, it is our failing as Christians. This is why the OSAS heresy can’t work. People need to re-encounter Jesus personally every day.

The lesson I take from this is to not lie or distort, to not inflate or tear down. When you do, it makes you an untrustworthy source and even the truth you speak will be thrown out. Just as the Christians who lied to her and told her that all Muslims are hate mongering terrorists had the truth of Christ, Muslims who are good hearted and kind are also mistaken about God. But people are first touched by their physical and emotional needs. Many saints have taught this. People need food, shelter, water, and love. After that they can work on nourishing their souls.

Preaching hatred and violence is not love. Without love, they cannot have the active faith life of a Christian. They might go through the outward motions reading the books and serving the needy, but when they hit their dead ends and don’t have a means of understanding the love of God in their lives, they’ll leave the people who taught them to hate and with them, their God.

This priest, if he was one, might have had poor parents, poor childhood influences, poor seminary teachers, poor choices. We don’t know. What we know is that he did not have love, and when he found love he was opened to faith. Unfortunately, he rejected the fullness of truth found in the Catholic faith for the people who showed him a small glimpse of God. I have friends who converted from Islam for the same reason, because they grew up surrounded by hatred and the first people to show them love were Christians. The testimony of one strikes a cord with me, though.

He said that it was Easter which touched him as a Muslim. He understood, as an Arab, dying for family. He believed those who died revenging their families deaths would go straight to paradise. Jesus’ death on Good Friday wasn’t that astounding to him. Then Jesus’ resurrection hit him. This guy didn’t go glory in paradise. He came back for us. Death wasn’t the goal; life was. He said it was the first time he ever understood Love.

What Sister Amy says is true. Piety and love of God will attract people. Peace will attract people. People will leave behind Truth to find it. If they grew up surrounded by hatred, including the subversive and insidious hatred that masks for acceptance and tolerance in the US, and then they saw people who stood up for what they believed and who lived it, of course they would convert. It was the first glimpse of God they had beheld and they have no comprehension–knowledge maybe, but not comprehension–of how much more of God’s love is infinitely available in His Church.

What can we do about it? What good is it that we have the faith if we aren’t living it? Our church uses the full body in worship. Our church uses fasting and prayers. Our church has a social and moral order. Our church has the Word and Presence of God. So why aren’t we living it? Why aren’t we seeing it? Why aren’t we sharing it? These are legitimate questions they ask. It does not diminish the objective Truth of the Catholic faith, but most people live in the subjective reality of where they can get closest to God. How poorly we are failing when the closest they can come is to reject Jesus Christ!

Those of us here are more likely to be among people who do live the Catholic faith. But like the majority of Muslims in the Middle East who drive and shop through the call from the minarets, most Catholics don’t know more than the outward appearances of their faith and are not emotionally concerned about their loss. We need to reach them with a message of peace, hope, and love. Real love. God’s love. God’s truth. Then people preaching this hatred of Muslims as terrorists will not be their image of Christianity and the suicide bombers will not be their image of Islam. Then their physical and emotional needs will be satisfied and they will be free to accept the truth that Jesus Christ is our Lord, God, and Savior and they’ll be able to worship Him with their whole bodies and whole souls in their whole lives.

What Sister Amy is telling us is how seekers look at Islam and Christianity and how they decide where to go. “Are they living the faith?” That’s what she wants to know. Are we living it? Sadly, for most people who call themselves Catholic, the answer is no. To reach the Muslims, we need to first evangelize the Catholics. We need to reach them with God’s Truth and God’s Love.

 

[Sam_777]

Salaam Amy,

Well its not right. May be for Women but not for Mens. I think there is some hadith which states that people who pray in the house,to burn there house. Its strick that mens should pray in the mosque. Please Sister Amy if you find that hadiths than post it. Allah tofiq me to pray in the Mosque. Ameen

Yes indeed, any Muslim who isn’t praying in the Mosque his house could be burned according to our Islamic law:
(Bukhari#608) & (Muslim#1040).

But nowadays that is prohibited in major cities in the Islamic world because of governments rules, although Islamic extremists could do such things in remote areas.

 

[ralphinal]

I had as a good friend a man who was a bounty hunter/mob heavy before he died. He was as kind and gentle towards others as he cound be (outside of “work”). I have decided that because of his witness, I too want to be a leg breaker for the mob.

Now, that last part of that statement was totally idiodic. A person cannot say, with any measure of credibilty, that one should join the mob because you know a good person in it. Likewise, to say that I want to change faiths because there are people in it who are more devout than the ones in my own faith has little common sense to it. You are ignoring the message. Who has the more true message? Some say Christianity, others Islam, still others have other options. But, to ignore the message and look only at the people is like saying my mobster friend is a good guy, I want in the mob, too.

 

[Righteousone]

Yes indeed, any Muslim who isn’t praying in the Mosque his house could be burned according to our Islamic law:
(Bukhari#608) & (Muslim#1040).

But nowadays that is prohibited in major cities in the Islamic world because of governments rules, although Islamic extremists could do such things in remote areas.

Another question for Sam, how do you post here from a Muslim nation?

 

[Sister_Amy]

Yes indeed, any Muslim who isn’t praying in the Mosque his house could be burned according to our Islamic law:
(Bukhari#608) & (Muslim#1040).

But nowadays that is prohibited in major cities in the Islamic world because of governments rules, although Islamic extremists could do such things in remote areas.

It should have already been obvious to your readership that you haven’t been trained in Islam at all and have merely assimilated the religion through local culture, and incorrectly at that.

The Prophet (saws) prayed at home, one of the hadith you referenced proved it:

'A’isha reported: I was sleeping in front of the Mcsseinger ef Allah (may peace be upon him) with my legs between him and the Qibla. **When he prostrated himself **he pinched me and I drew up my legs, and when be stood up, I stretched them out. She said: At that time there were no lamps in the houses.

There are other ahadith to prove it as well. What you describe is actually NOT an order in Shari’ah. And I never disputed that “fard” salaat should be in the masjid, I am referring to nafl salaat, and basing it on a hadith of the prophet.

You have much to learn… too bad you’re not interested.

 

[Sister_Amy]

I had as a good friend a man who was a bounty hunter/mob heavy before he died. He was as kind and gentle towards others as he cound be (outside of “work”). I have decided that because of his witness, I too want to be a leg breaker for the mob.

Now, that last part of that statement was totally idiodic. A person cannot say, with any measure of credibilty, that one should join the mob because you know a good person in it. Likewise, to say that I want to change faiths because there are people in it who are more devout than the ones in my own faith has little common sense to it. You are ignoring the message. Who has the more true message? Some say Christianity, others Islam, still others have other options. But, to ignore the message and look only at the people is like saying my mobster friend is a good guy, I want in the mob, too.

Well people do the opposite… don’t they?

 

[Sister_Amy]

Another question for Sam, how do you post here from a Muslim nation?

If you want we could probably inform the Saudi authorities and get this site blocked if it’s not already. Or a mod could check is IP address.

 

[MugenOne]

The Saudi authority doesn’t block this page yet. When I was in the magic kingdom, sometimes, I posted comments using their network. However, if you want to access pages like Faithfreedom.org or something like that, you’re blocked. CAF does have members who hail from KSA.

Another question for Sam, how do you post here from a Muslim nation?