Catholic priest converts to Islam

[IvanKaramozov]

I just don’t understand “catholics” like you! Do you have some kind of fetish about the Muslim 5 daily prayers? I believe you’ve brought this same subject up before! What is your problem? If you like Islam so much, why don’t you become a Muslim?

Vickie

I don’t know,

Why do you seem to have a fettish for conspiratorial paranoia and outlandish fantasies of impending danger?

Why do you refuse to view your own religious beleifs with the same eye you view others religious beliefs?

Why did you avoid his utterly devestating point that so wonderfully exposed your non-sense?

Why are you so obsessed with Muslims?

Human psychology is a mysterious thing, just as we may well never know your true motivations we may also never know his, or mine or anyone’s.

 

[Booklover]

I don’t know,

Why do you seem to have a fettish for conspiratorial paranoia and outlandish fantasies of impending danger?

Why are you so blind to the truth? There are many others who think they way I do. Are we all crazy, or is there a threat?

Why do you refuse to view your own religious beleifs with the same eye you view others religious beliefs?

I see the difference in the teachings of Christianity and Islam which you are too blind to see.

Why did you avoid his utterly devestating point that so wonderfully exposed your non-sense?

He proved absolutely nothing and neither have you! You have eyes but you do not see, you have ears but do not hear.

Why are you so obsessed with Muslims?

Why are you so obsessed with my posts?

Human psychology is a mysterious thing, just as we may well never know your true motivations we may also never know his, or mine or anyone’s.

True, but I’ve been around a lot longer than you have, my friend!

Vickie

 

[IvanKaramozov]

Why are you so blind to the truth?

Because I look at the issue with sources other than angry internet sites.

There are many others who think they way I do. Are we all crazy, or is there a threat?

That’s a clinical judegement which I have neither the training nor authorization to make.

I see the difference in the teachings of Christianity and Islam which you are too blind to see.

I see plenty of differences in the teaching of Christianity and Islam.

He proved absolutely nothing and neither have you! You have eyes but you do not see, you have ears but do not hear.

Very impressive that I can read a screen then

Why are you so obsessed with my posts?

I suppose I’m obsessed with opposing ignorance, biggotry, and general non-sense.

True, but I’ve been around a lot longer than you have, my friend!

Vickie

ok.

 

[bobzills]

This is false. There is no evidence that he was ever ordained.

I don’t know. The title of the piece which I linked to reads something like: “Bristish Catholic p;riest converted to Islam.” That’s what it says. And if you look at the first post I wrote on this, I was asking for more information on this individual.

 

[bobzills]

I just don’t understand “catholics” like you! Do you have some kind of fetish about the Muslim 5 daily prayers? I believe you’ve brought this same subject up before! What is your problem? If you like Islam so much, why don’t you become a Muslim?

Vickie

This is most certainly off the topic and in my opinion, constitutes a personal attack rather than answering the points raised. The point raised was whether or not certain discplinary practices are mandatory in Islam or in Catholicism. You claimed that the disciplinary practice of prayer five times a day was mandatory in Islam. Another poster implied that this may detract from the spiritual value or quality of the discipline since it was required. I am pointing out here, that Catholics have similar disciplinary parctices which are also mandatory.
Will or will not a Roman Catholic of the western Church go to eternal damnation and suffering in the fires of hell if he does not follow the disciplinary practice of attending Mass on a Sunday and if he fails in this obligation without a good excuse and he does not repent of this mortal sin before death? Please advise me if this true or not? And the fires of hell are not something symbolic, but they are real fires which burn the condemned person? I would say that this most certainly does constitute a mandatory spiritual discipline.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Thank you Sister Amy, but Islamic teaching was part of my school books (book of Quran, book of Tawheed, book of Feqh, and book of Tafseer), since the first grade, that means I have studied that for 12 years from age 7 till 18 in Saudi Arabia in its original language “The Arabic”, and I’ve trained on that when attending the Mosque wahhabi clerk daily class after Isha (night) prayer, and the Saudi local culture that you don’t like preached Islam to the whole nations including your sheikh.

I don’t really have a problem with Saudi culture by the way. You don’t know this, but I’m actually planning to move to Riyadh by the end of this year. My fiance–who is in his 8th level studying Shari’ah (which means I have no doubt he knows more than you) insists that Saudis even if they mess up simple things they have a very strong understanding of Tawheed, such that it even affects their lifestyle. Do you?

Not at all, if you cannot read Arabic, print that and show it to your sheikh, do not take the Hadith number and compare it the book you have, here in Saudi Arabia we are using the Sunee books, maybe you have different book published somewhere else.

Do you think I’m not using Sunni books? Sorry but I don’t have copies of Sahih Al-Bukhari or Sahih Muslim just laying around (can’t afford them, poor me) so I’m subject to the internet. If the numbering is different, that’s not my problem.

Just so you know though, I did find a hadith about burning houses. That isn’t a fiqh ruling, so you know, nor something Muhammad, saws, ever did. It’s something he said he considered, to emphasize to people the importance of praying mandatory salawat in the masjid. I was referring to voluntary salawat, which he said is better prayed at home.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Why can’t a Muslim say the same thing: They pray five times a day, not becasue they are required to do so, but because they love and respect Allah?

Well if they love and respect Allah, why wouldn’t they follow His commandments? You said you like to worship how you were commanded to…meaning you were commanded to.

Same thing for Muslims, they were commanded to establish the prayer. They obey His commandments because they love Allah.

 

[PaulDupre]

Why can’t a Muslim say the same thing: They pray five times a day, not becasue they are required to do so, but because they love and respect Allah?

I never said they couldn’t. I’m sure many if not most Muslims are motivated by piety rather than fear, just as Christians are.

And I agree with the Catholic Church - Muslims worship the one true God; they just have some erroneous ideas about Him.

Paul

 

[steve_b]

I saw a report concerning a Catholic priest who converted to Islam. However, I don’t know all the details of the background of the Catholic priest. He says that part of the motivation was from the good example of people in Egypt praying five times a day:
youtube.com/watch?v=pn0iPlWQNlI
Does anyone have further information on this?

When I was in Jerusalem in 95, everytime I heard the loud speakers go off around the old city 5 times a day calling muslims to turn to mecca for prayer, I turned towards Calvary and prayed 5 decades of the rosary for their conversion and everyone else who needs it

 

[steve_b]

This is most certainly off the topic and in my opinion, constitutes a personal attack rather than answering the points raised. The point raised was whether or not certain discplinary practices are mandatory in Islam or in Catholicism. You claimed that the disciplinary practice of prayer five times a day was mandatory in Islam. Another poster implied that this may detract from the spiritual value or quality of the discipline since it was required. I am pointing out here, that Catholics have similar disciplinary parctices which are also mandatory.
Will or will not a Roman Catholic of the western Church go to eternal damnation and suffering in the fires of hell if he does not follow the disciplinary practice of attending Mass on a Sunday and if he fails in this obligation without a good excuse and he does not repent of this mortal sin before death? Please advise me if this true or not? And the fires of hell are not something symbolic, but they are real fires which burn the condemned person? I would say that this most certainly does constitute a mandatory spiritual discipline.

Do you know why mass is mandatory? Do you know why missing mass is a grave sin?

(emphasis mine in red)

Heb 10:

25Let us not give up meeting together,(missing the sacrifice of the mass) as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day(Sunday the Lord’s day) approaching. 26If we deliberately keep on sinning (missing mass) after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God"

Jesus words at the Last Supper,

This is my body…

This is my blood, the blood of the new and evertlasting covenent, it will be shed for you and for many so that sins may be forgiven, do this in memory of me

Jesus said in Jn 6:50…

If you eat my flesh and drink my blood you will have life in you and I will raise you on the last day…

Now reverse the statement by Jesus, miss mass, and you see what Hebrews means when it says " if you continue to miss mass as is the habit of some, after you’ve been given the truth, you sin grievously, and there is no sacrifice for sin left for you, but a fearful expectation of judgement".

 

[MugenOne]

I miss Riyadh! Such an interesting city. Be ready to hand over your infidel passport to your Saudi sponsor and get issued an Iqama. I wouldn’t go to any place that takes my passport away. If thing hits the fence, I want out in a heart beat. Only agents of the Great Satan are allowed to keep their passports and travel without Iqama or documentation, but we were always instructed to have it on our body at all time in case we needed airlift out of the magic kingdom. Make sure to visit the Great Satan’s biggest installation in the kingdom and protest there. The infidels are really defiling the pure land of Islam on an unimaginable scale. Alcohol flows freely there. You could have roasted pork everyday of the week if you like. Half naked women jog on the perimeter line while SANG guards watch on. How is cool that?

I don’t really have a problem with Saudi culture by the way. You don’t know this, but I’m actually planning to move to Riyadh by the end of this year. My fiance–who is in his 8th level studying Shari’ah (which means I have no doubt he knows more than you) insists that Saudis even if they mess up simple things they have a very strong understanding of Tawheed, such that it even affects their lifestyle. Do you?

Do you think I’m not using Sunni books? Sorry but I don’t have copies of Sahih Al-Bukhari or Sahih Muslim just laying around (can’t afford them, poor me) so I’m subject to the internet. If the numbering is different, that’s not my problem.

Just so you know though, I did find a hadith about burning houses. That isn’t a fiqh ruling, so you know, nor something Muhammad, saws, ever did. It’s something he said he considered, to emphasize to people the importance of praying mandatory salawat in the masjid. I was referring to voluntary salawat, which he said is better prayed at home.

 

[Sister_Amy]

I miss Riyadh! Such an interesting city. Be ready to hand over your infidel passport to your Saudi sponsor and get issued an Iqama. I wouldn’t go to any place that takes my passport away. If thing hits the fence, I want out in a heart beat. Only agents of the Great Satan are allowed to keep their passports and travel without Iqama or documentation, but we were always instructed to have it on our body at all time in case we needed airlift out of the magic kingdom. Make sure to visit the Great Satan’s biggest installation in the kingdom and protest there. The infidels are really defiling the pure land of Islam on an unimaginable scale. Alcohol flows freely there. You could have roasted pork everyday of the week if you like. Half naked women jog on the perimeter line while SANG guards watch on. How is cool that?

That didn’t really make sense to me. But you know, as a woman travelling is even worse. But luckily my fiance owns his own company so his company won’t be holding my visa. He will. Along with a signed contract saying I can come back to the USA whenever I want.

 

[Sam_777]

I don’t really have a problem with Saudi culture by the way. You don’t know this, but I’m actually planning to move to Riyadh by the end of this year.

Very nice, let us see your opinion about Islam after that…

My fiance–who is in his 8th level studying Shari’ah (which means I have no doubt he knows more than you)

Does he read and understand Arabic?

 

[IvanKaramozov]

I don’t really have a problem with Saudi culture by the way. You don’t know this, but I’m actually planning to move to Riyadh by the end of this year. My fiance–who is in his 8th level studying Shari’ah (which means I have no doubt he knows more than you) insists that Saudis even if they mess up simple things they have a very strong understanding of Tawheed, such that it even affects their lifestyle. Do you?

Al-Wahaab was a monstor, he slaughtered tens of thousands of fellow Muslims, I’m not talking about combat, war between opposing parties, but senseless mass slaughter of the unarmed… The Saudi’s as a whole have helped export the radical thought that has led to the deaths of tens of thousands of innocents.

It’s not messing up simple things, when the religious poloice force girls back into a burning schoolhouse to die because they are not wearing the Hijab.

 

[IvanKaramozov]

I miss Riyadh! Such an interesting city. Be ready to hand over your infidel passport to your Saudi sponsor and get issued an Iqama. I wouldn’t go to any place that takes my passport away. If thing hits the fence, I want out in a heart beat. Only agents of the Great Satan are allowed to keep their passports and travel without Iqama or documentation, but we were always instructed to have it on our body at all time in case we needed airlift out of the magic kingdom. Make sure to visit the Great Satan’s biggest installation in the kingdom and protest there. The infidels are really defiling the pure land of Islam on an unimaginable scale. Alcohol flows freely there. You could have roasted pork everyday of the week if you like. Half naked women jog on the perimeter line while SANG guards watch on. How is cool that?

never thought I’d concur with Mugen

 

[bobzills]

Do you know why mass is mandatory? Do you know why missing mass is a grave sin?.

So it is true then that attending Mass on Sundays is mandatory under pain of mortal sin and that if a Catholic dies in the state of unrepented mortal sin, he will suffer a never ending punishment of horrific real burning by fire? My point is simply that Catholics have mandatory disciplinary prayers, just as Muslims do, and I don’t see any reason for a Catholic to criticise Muslims for having mandatory disciplinary practices, when Catholics have something similar.

 

[Righteousone]

So it is true then that attending Mass on Sundays is mandatory under pain of mortal sin and that if a Catholic dies in the state of unrepented mortal sin, he will suffer a never ending punishment of horrific real burning by fire? My point is simply that Catholics have mandatory disciplinary prayers, just as Muslims do, and I don’t see any reason for a Catholic to criticise Muslims for having mandatory disciplinary practices, when Catholics have something similar.

Yea, but Catholics don’t kill Catholics if they don’t pray or attend services like Muslim kill in the name of God. We are a whole different entity.

 

[bobzills]

Yea, but Catholics don’t kill Catholics if they don’t pray or attend services like Muslim kill in the name of God. We are a whole different entity.

But I read somewhere that in the past history of the Catholic Church, people who questioned Catholic beliefs were tortured in various Inquisitions, burned alive at the stake, and also there were Crusades which involved causing great harm to life and limb of some of the non-Catholics who were targeted?" If such reports are true and this happened in the past, how do you know for sure that this would not happen again?

 

[Righteousone]

But I read somewhere that in the past history of the Catholic Church, people who questioned Catholic beliefs were tortured in various Inquisitions, burned alive at the stake, and also there were Crusades which involved causing great harm to life and limb of some of the non-Catholics who were targeted?" If such reports are true and this happened in the past, how do you know for sure that this would not happen again?

Again, (oh, brother), why would a Catholic even post this? How do we know that the Puritans who were Protestants and killed all those people at the Salem witch trials not ever happen again? What about all of the Protestants over the last 500 years who killed the Catholics?
Enough about the Crusades. The Catholics DIDN’T EVEN START THIS. The Muslim invaded first, we defended ourselves. Pure and simple, don’t ya think?

 

[IvanKaramozov]

Again, (oh, brother), why would a Catholic even post this? How do we know that the Puritans who were Protestants and killed all those people at the Salem witch trials not ever happen again? What about all of the Protestants over the last 500 years who killed the Catholics?
Enough about the Crusades. The Catholics DIDN’T EVEN START THIS. The Muslim invaded first, we defended ourselves. Pure and simple, don’t ya think?

Sure, and those nifty silk trade routs had absolutly NOTHING to do with the Crusaids:blush:

He’s not saying Catholic are exceptionally violent or evil, he’s simply pointing out the hypocracy many Catholics here exibit when criticising Islam.