Catholic Pro-life Senator Casey endorses pro-abortion Democrat for president

[gam197]

There was a thread on here a few days ago on this and I can’t find it so I don’t know if they took it off because it said governor and named the candidate or what happened so I will post it.

I will not name the candidate that he is backing but a quick search will show it. For that reason I can’t post the link from LifeNews.com.

We have had many discussions on these forums on whether Catholic Casey was indeed pro-life.

Pennsylvania Senator Casey ran against and won Catholic Rick Santorium’s seat in congress.

The article states one of two openly pro-life Democrat senators. I wonder who the other is. Harry Reid from Nevada, a Mormon, is pro-life. I wonder.

 

[stbruno]

let’s just keep praying for the conversion of those who endorse pro-death candidates.

 

[manualman]

This is at least the second time he’s proven that he’s a Democrat first and pro-life a distant second, at best. When he took office he was the swing vote that put the Dems in charge of the Senate. Had protecting the sanctity of life been his first priority, he would have witheld his vote for Harry Reid as Senate majority leader until/unless Reid et al agreed to a Senate judiciary comittee consisting of a ONE vote democratic advantage with CASEY being that vote.

But he was a good party boy and didn’t take the opportunity given to him to prevent Democrats re-establishing the “Bork-Blocker” policy they’ve had on Supreme Court nominees for 20 years now.

Pro-life my, well, you know. Talk is cheap.

 

[saylo]

There was a thread on here a few days ago on this and I can’t find it so I don’t know if they took it off because it said governor and named the candidate or what happened so I will post it.

I will not name the candidate that he is backing but a quick search will show it. For that reason I can’t post the link from LifeNews.com.

We have had many discussions on these forums on whether Catholic Casey was indeed pro-life.

Pennsylvania Senator Casey ran against and won Catholic Rick Santorium’s seat in congress.

I am somewhat familiar with the “Santorum Syndrome.”

Rick Santorum was the most high-profile defender of the unborn in a State that is pro-life in majority.

Admirably, Santorum would make speeches defending life at 2 or 3 am in the Senate chambers and have those speeches inserted into the Congressional Recoed."

There was very high hopes for Santorum, some even saw him as presidental timber. He was on the fast track to greater things. He oftentimes posed with his large family.

But during the last U.S. Senate primary in Pennsy, Mr. Santorum turned his back on a genuine pro-life contestant, Congressman Pat Toomey, a Roman Catholic with impeccable pro-life credentials. Pat Toomey was well-known throughout the State and was very popular.

Toomey was pitted against incumbent Sen. Arlen Specter.

Toomey, acording to the polls, was strong enough to unseat Specter in the primary.

Now, Arlen Specter has a 100% pro-abortion record among other vile and unacceptable endorsements such as late-term abortion, stem cell research from embryos, etc. If Arlen Specter was a Catholic he would have been excommunicated.

So, wher does Santorum fit into this picture?

SANTORUM ENDORSED SPECTER AND TIRELESSLY CAMPAIGNED FOR HIM (RAISING MONEY, TOO). This resulted in Specter winning by a majority of about 30,000 in a overall count of nearly 800,000 votes . Most of the votes that were lopsided in favor of Specter came from Philadelphia ( Pittsburgh, but not as lopsided). These two cities, especially Philadelphia are notorious for MORE people casting votes than are actually registered…many dead people vote in national elections in Philadelphia.

Had Santorum backed pro–Lifer Pat Toomey the voting irregularities would have not stood up in the final count.

This has to be the most hypocritical move by a “supposed” pro-lifer Had to make the pro-life voters have a backlash against Santorum. They did. They switched to now Senator Casey over Santorum. Casey won over Santorum in a landslide.

Santorum,in so far as having a political career is over in Pennsy. He might have a career as a Democrat in New York, New Jersey or Massachusetts.

Po-Life is not a pick-and-choose vigil; it is 24/7. To back a virulent pro-abortionist like Specter is nothing but hyperbole. I am glad Santorum is gone…as are many thousands of others.

Sic semper tyranus!

The article states one of two openly pro-life Democrat senators. I wonder who the other is. Harry Reid from Nevada, a Mormon, is pro-life. I wonder.

The difference between pro-life Casey and pro-life Santorum is…Santorum had a career defending life in speeches but not in actual performance as a powerbroker.

The unborn still lost.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

This seems to define the difference between a pro-life Democrat and a pro-death Democrat - Negligible.

 

[mdzialo]

Democrats are craven. That’s news? That’s why I always vote for Republicans, because they have limited abortion to just 45 million.

Here’s a secret. Don’t tell anybody. Democrats and Republicans are two masks on the same face; all are CFR candidates and they are ALL in favor of broken borders, war to “fix” things, population reduction, crashing the dollar to replace it with the Amero, NWO agenda.

 

[unixfudotnet]

Politics…

 

[gam197]

Senator Bob Casey had always been in favor of emergency contraception.

Recently on the Mexico City Policy, he voted with Barbara Boxer’s pro-abortion amendment to get rid of it and allow money to be used for abortions overseas.

He then turns and votes to uphold it with a Brownback amendment but states he made an error and later has his vote rescinded to reflect his first position with Barbara Boxer.

He is in favor of limiting abortion through family planning which is not really a Catholic position.

 

[saylo]

Santorum tirelessly campaigned for a 100% pro-abortionist Sen. Arlen Specter against a pro-life Roman Catholic man Pat Toomey. Toomey was a very strong candidate not just a “showpiece.”

Santorum traveled all over the State; raised money and appeared on talk shows promoting pro-abotion Sen. Arlen Specter.

This is the paramount reason Santorum is out of office.

He turned his back on the unborn and the pro-life folks turned their backs on Santorum.

Kinda like a “tit-for-tat” situation.

Today, Santorum is a highly paid lobbyist for foreign interests. He lives in virtual palatial home in Northern Virginia and never really lived in Pittsburgh once he was elected. He had a “mailing address” in Pittsburgh.

Toomey would have been one more strong voice for the unborn and a precious vote in furthering causes for the unborn. Casey would not be a senator today were it not for Santorum. Specter would be out; Santorum would have been reelected and Toomey replacing Specter.

Speeches are fine and authoring books on life is even a bigger plus. But BOTH together does not wipe out stumping for a unabashed pro-abortion type like Arlen Specter. Specter has a 100% pro-abortion voting record his entire career in the Senate.

That’s a lot of kids that never saw the light of day. Santorum backed Specter…big time.

 

[gam197]

saylo, you said that is post # 4.

Many of us know what Santorium did.

So you think Congress is better off with Democrat Bob Casey than with a Rick Santorium who was strongly pro-life, not only voted it but spoke out in favor of it. I miss Santorium’s outspokenness.

I have no problem with Santorium being a lobbyist if that is what an ex-politician has to do in order to support his family. Anyways, he is gone and that is not what this thread is about.

Senator Bob Casey is backing a pro-abortion democrat but no problem there, right?

 

[saylo]

saylo, you said that is post # 4.

Many of us know what Santorium did.

So you think Congress is better off with Democrat Bob Casey than with a Rick Santorium who was strongly pro-life, not only voted it but spoke out in favor of it. I miss Santorium’s outspokenness.

I have no problem with Santorium being a lobbyist if that is what an ex-politician has to do in order to support his family. Anyways, he is gone and that is not what this thread is about.

Senator Bob Casey is backing a pro-abortion democrat but no problem there, right?

I agree with you, gam. Casey is not a beacon for the unborn either. Had Pat Toomey won the primary we wouldn’t have either Casey or Specter. That was my basic premise.

Sorry for my redundancy. Santorum would have been reelected had he not stumped for Specter. and we would have Toomey and Santorum.

Too bad the unborn cannot vote…things would be different.

 

[KathleenElsie]

Casey is not pro-life. I really wish that the media and others would stop labeling him as such.

 

[saylo]

Senator Bob Casey had always been in favor of emergency contraception.

Seriously, I do not know the particulars on “emergency contraception” and if you could outline it a bit it would be appreciated.

I have a notion of what might be involved but it’s only a “notion.” I would Google the “emergency contraception” but it might not give me the results I need.

 

[gam197]

I also thought it was on Casey’s web page. Here is the debate between Casey and Santorium:

Question: The FDA has said that Plan B, the morning-after pill, can be sold over the counter. Are you in favor?
SANTORUM: No, I’m not. I agree that it is an abortifacient, and that it’s dangerous to give a dose of hormones equivalent to one third of a whole series of birth control pills to someone without any kind of doctor supervision.
CASEY: Yes, I’m in favor. I think what emergency contraception is contraception.
Q: But you do believe life begins at conception?
CASEY: I do.
Q: If this was fertilized, would you call it abortion?
CASEY: The science is clear on this. It is contraception, and I support it. I think we’ve got to make it widely available, and I think that’s one of the ways we reach common ground on the very tough issue of abortion:** emergency contraception can reduce the number of abortions and unwanted pregnancies**. That’s what we should emphasize.
SANTORUM: The science is clear. In fact, it is an abortifacient in certain circumstances.

creativeminorityreport.com/2007/09/has-catholic-senator-bob-casey-flipped.html

 

[rien]

Democrats are craven. That’s news? That’s why I always vote for Republicans, because they have limited abortion to just 45 million.

Here’s a secret. Don’t tell anybody. Democrats and Republicans are two masks on the same face; all are CFR candidates and they are ALL in favor of broken borders, war to “fix” things, population reduction, crashing the dollar to replace it with the Amero, NWO agenda.

You got it. You really have IMO. Why so few Amnericans, let alone Christians, can’t see they are being played like a fiddle is beyond me.

Aligning with any party is dangerous and has gotten the pro-life movement nowhere. With the Dems in ascendancy the Supreme Court will be packed for the next 2 or 3 decades wih pro-choice folks.

Course that event will mean something cause the GOP did basically nothing to advance the movement when they were in control.

IMO Christians are being used by the parties. Its time to move beyond party. Become an independent voting block that can make a real difference. Then you might see a change.

 

[rien]

I agree with you, gam. Casey is not a beacon for the unborn either. Had Pat Toomey won the primary we wouldn’t have either Casey or Specter. That was my basic premise.

Sorry for my redundancy. Santorum would have been reelected had he not stumped for Specter. and we would have Toomey and Santorum.

Too bad the unborn cannot vote…things would be different.

Its why you can’t put your “faith” in either party. Yet so many Christians do. What a shame IMO.

 

[Ridgerunner]

With the Dems in ascendancy the Supreme Court will be packed for the next 2 or 3 decades wih pro-choice folks.

Course that event will mean something cause the GOP did basically nothing to advance the movement when they were in control.

IMO Christians are being used by the parties. Its time to move beyond party. Become an independent voting block that can make a real difference. Then you might see a change.

Well, Bush did appoint two prolife supreme court justices, and that’s the only thing that can change Roe vs Wade and its progeny that made abortion on demand the law of the land. That’s just a fact, and it’s destructive to any political influence prolife Catholics might have to say otherwise.

The “independant voting block” you want used to be called the “Catholic vote”. Unfortunately, too many Catholics have compromised themselves with secularism and no longer listen to what the Church teaches. About half of Catholic voters (fortunately shrinking, it seems) are that way, and stick with the party of abortion, knowing full well that’s what they’re voting for. If they’re comfortable with it now, there’s no reason to suppose they’ll change their minds just because somebody tries to form a third party. Those Catholics who do firmly oppose abortion at least have allies in that issue on the Republican side. Why should they guarantee defeat forever by forming a third party consisting in 1/2 of Catholic voters?

No, Catholics who support the Church’s teaching on abortion should vote Republican, at least for now. And I say that as a “Zell Miller Democrat”.

 

[BOBKAT]

Not sure if any of you read this, but I thought this needs to get out. Babies are now punishments. I am the mother of a child with Down Syndrome wonder if Senator Obama thinks that is a punishment. We need to stop him now.

God Bless
Kathleen

Monday, March 31, 2008
“I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 4:48 PM
That’s what Barack Obama said this weekend. Full quote:

Look, I got two daughters – 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.
Not the sort of answer that will win over Pennsylvania Catholics. Calling pro-life Senator Bob Casey who endorsed Obama last week: Any comment Bob?

UPDATE: Ed Morrissey’s take here.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Not sure if any of you read this, but I thought this needs to get out. Babies are now punishments. I am the mother of a child with Down Syndrome wonder if Senator Obama thinks that is a punishment. We need to stop him now.

God Bless
Kathleen

A bit too directly political for CAF, maybe Bobkat. However, I will add that it amazes me how people think there are only two options; have an abortion or raise a child you don’t want to raise. Adoption does not even seem to be within some politicians’ mode of thought. “Raise a child or kill it.” I just can’t get over that.

 

[saylo]

You got it. You really have IMO. Why so few Amnericans, let alone Christians, can’t see they are being played like a fiddle is beyond me.

Aligning with any party is dangerous and has gotten the pro-life movement nowhere. With the Dems in ascendancy the Supreme Court will be packed for the next 2 or 3 decades wih pro-choice folks.

Course that event will mean something cause the GOP did basically nothing to advance the movement when they were in control.

IMO Christians are being used by the parties. Its time to move beyond party. Become an independent voting block that can make a real difference. Then you might see a change.

Since abortion was ruled “legal” in 1972 there has been little advance for the pro-life movement. Abortion still is the “law of the land” and the Supreme Court is still weighted with pro-abortion judges.

Pres. Bush, Senior did little to seat pro-life judges (Judge Souter comes to mind) and to take a position of pro-life for a presidential candidate is waging an uphill campaign.

I agree with your assessment that Christian people should support an alternative to the two major parties. Sure, they cannot win and will not be an influence…they will be called the “lunatic fringe” and laughed at in scorn.

But any huge building before construction begins starts with a small shovelful of dirt. I will vote for a Third party. There are at least two that are firmly on the side of the unborn.