Catholic scandal and Catholics who stop giving

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Dca2018 said:
ā€œBy their fruits you shall know themā€ The grand jury found enough rotten fruit to fill a prison.
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Compared to one billion Catholics and thousands of canonized Saints, with scores of priests?
 
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gracepoole said:
I donā€™t blame these folks one bit. Donate to a diocese so it can eventually use these funds to pay off its settlement debts due to the abuse scandalā€¦? I can completely understand why Catholics are reluctant or refusing to give.
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Grace, I am a member of the Episcopal Church in the US, and our diocesan and national church budgets are open for all to see. I understand this is not the case in the US Catholic Church. It would make a difference to me to know how much money each diocese is paying out for things such as legal fees, settlements to the victims who have come forth, child support payments, clergy medical costs (treatments, etc), insurance, and overall monies related to cleaning up the problems. I understand that itā€™s costing about 4 BILLION dollars a year just in the US. What would that be in each diocese? And what percentage of the budget in your diocese is paying for these things?

And it seems your hard earned money is going there.
 
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Iā€™m not sure if it is just the way you worded the sentence but just a note, these things are not just claims but they are truths.

I think a very important thing we need to remember in all of this is that God is in control. The Holy Spirit is guiding the Church. It is just difficult to watch what the Holy Spirit has to do to protect the Church. IMHO as I have said before, God is cleaning His house. These people have got to go.
 
Amen to this also.

We know that God is in control. He is truly present in the Eucharist and I canā€™t help but think how sad it must be when people leave Him over this, especially if they truly know and understand the Real Presence. Praying that the sheep do not flee.
 
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Dca2018:
ā€œBy their fruits you shall know themā€ The grand jury found enough rotten fruit to fill a prison.
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Compared to one billion Catholics and thousands of canonized Saints, with scores of priests?

And scores of priests is an understatementā€¦many of these abuse cases go back decadesā€¦40-50 yearsā€¦thereā€™s currently around 450,000 priests worldwideā€¦probably over that period of time a good few million priests have come and goneā€¦and I have no reason to doubt that the vast majority of those were decent men who looked after their flock as Christ would have wantedā€¦unfortunately the sayingā€¦ā€œone bad apple spoils the barrelā€ is trueā€¦sadly itā€™s more than one bad appleā€¦but no matter the number some will blame the church as a wholeā€¦the good as well as the bad
 
The Catholic Church is the Church, not the methodists nor the lutherans nor the baptists. The Holy Catholic Church is the ONLY valid and true Church.
 
Canterbury doesnā€™t have the real presence at all because they changed the form and matter of their ordination rites to the point of invalidation. Orthodox have the Eucharist but they are schismatics off of the Catholic Church and lack the fullness of truth.
 
If every Catholic stopped giving money to the church there would be no Catholic churchā€¦and Christ would be branded a liarā€¦so do you still take the Eucharist even though you refuse to support the church that he founded?
 
mrsdizzyd said:
What you canā€™t believe, if you think Christ is telling the truth in Matthew 16:18, is that the Catholic Church (the one Christ founded) is rendered illegitimate because fallen human beings committed evil acts.
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No, I do not believe it is rendered illegitimate, but I do believe people will run afraid where their children are concerned and these deeds may explain some of those that fell away in prior years like an exodus. They have NO RIGHT to put themselves or their children in harms way or to ā€œtakeā€ abuse in the Name of the Church because they are made in the image and likeness of God. No one has a right to put or keep themselves in harms way, even a woman with an abusive husband.
I love being A Catholic with all Her Traditions and the Living Word of God and of course the source and summit of our Faith which is the Eucharist, Christ Himself.
But I will not snub those that left the Church due to sexual abuse which hurts a person to their central being, their soul, their very coreā€¦For life.
 
I cannot fathom what these children and families are are going through. We all need to pray for them that they will experience healing and at some point, be able to find closure and forgive their abusers. I pray they will be able to return to a safe Catholic Parish.
 
I support the church through volunteering at mass and in other ways
 
You have to overlook a lot of saints and martyrs for that to work. Observing how these individuals lived their faith should give a more accurate description.
 
Where are the classic plank in the eye and judge not verses?
 
You mean the ones dealing with hypocrisy and not about how we have an obligation to judge evil acts?
 
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