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gracepoole
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Report to whom? Bishops and cardinals actively worked to protect abusers.
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phil19034
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That’s why I’m in favor of a board(s) made up of orthodox lay Catholics and perhaps some Permanent Deacons to hear these complaints. And that board would take criminal accusations directly to the police and investigate credible abusive (non crimes) directly, without ever going to the Bishop.phil19034:
Report to whom? Bishops and cardinals actively worked to protect abusers.
It’s similar to what the Bishop of Albany is calling for and other younger bishops like Bishop Barron are calling for.
We need to remove the Bishops & priests from this because they are (1) bound by the seal of confession and (2) because they are proven that they are not really capable of dealing the situation, esp if it involves a bishop.
After all, if a predatory priest confesses to his bishop sexual abuse in the confessional, the bishop is prevented from being able to do anything about it. So we need to remove the bishops & priests from the investigatory process so the seal of confession doesn’t become an issue.
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SuscipeMeDomine
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That would deal with children. But if you read the reports from Chile and from some dioceses in the US, seminarians have also been abused/coerced into sexual relationships with their superiors, spiritual directors, and bishops. They’re adults so it’s not a crime. It’s simply sickening, disgusting, and immoral.
I suppose a lay board could go to the media and state that the bishop has abused seminarians, but I’m not sure that’s the entire solution.
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anon1212376
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While I trust my parish priests and have a great community, I am tempted to stop donating to the parish. I already give support to a friend who is a FOCUS missionary. A priest I knew, who had previously served at the parish, got busted for indecent liberties with a child.
This past Sunday, the homily was the diocesan capital campaign advertisement. My pastor gave an apology on behalf of the Church and prayed for healing for victims, but he also gave the “small minority of priests” argument. It seemed like damage control more than anything else.
This past Sunday, the homily was the diocesan capital campaign advertisement. My pastor gave an apology on behalf of the Church and prayed for healing for victims, but he also gave the “small minority of priests” argument. It seemed like damage control more than anything else.
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CursedFigTree
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I’m thinking about redirecting my funds to the Little Sisters of the Poor. I know they won’t use it as hush money or defense fund.
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halogirl
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I was hit full on by the Holy Spirit after I prayed the sinners prayer when I was younger and honestly I would say I was saved. However I believe this was a special grace given to me for whatever reason and I need to walk the walk, stay faithful and not be complacent. Confession is my second favourite sacrament after Eucharist now lol
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mrsdizzyd
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Why do they stop giving? Have they stopped giving because they are upset about the events 20-50 years ago or are they protesting present day actions and mismanagement?
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CilladeRoma
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It may not be a crime, but it should be.
These men were in no position to say “NO”, especially if they were seeking a vocation. The Bishop holds all the cards, which is what makes it so despicable.
I agree that we need to start looking at how the Church is actually run- maybe the time for “absolute power” by the Ordinary has seen better days.
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SuscipeMeDomine
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True. If this happened in business, the victims could sue for sexual harassment. The supervisor/boss/person in power can’t use that position to coerce an underling. But what is a seminarian supposed to do when those who have the ability to decide his future are the ones who are abusing him?
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MagdalenaRita
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Agree. It is difficult to forgive and realize that, as dispicable as these crimes were, God is in control and merciful.
I read this recently that Sister Lucia said, “If we should happen to see some priests who seem to have lost their way and have gone astray, let us not be surprised! They, too, are human, subject to frailty like ourselves. " and
“The fact that some priests fall away must not mean that our respect, our esteem and our veneration for those who persevere should be any less; rather, the weakness of some should heighten the merit of the rest. Therefore, we should always listen with faith to the priest, because he is a light for our path, a guide for our life and a source of strength for our weakness”
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anon1212376
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I’m not one to question Sr. Lucia, but this sort of begs the question. A priest who is, from all outward appearances, a righteous servant of the Lord could lead a double life as a fiend. Look at Fr. Maciel of the Legion of Christ.
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CilladeRoma
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Exactly!
Which is why I think it is time to take “absolute power” away from Bishop’s. They have proven that they are not worthy of our trust.
Which is why I think it is time to take “absolute power” away from Bishop’s. They have proven that they are not worthy of our trust.
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MagdalenaRita
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Yes, what a horrible, disgusting story. I just don’t think that things like this are the majority of priests and she is asking us to continue to respect our priests and the priesthood in general and hopefully those innocent priests will rise up and work hard to create change and put an end this.
There are many good and innocent priests out there that are going to need our prayers because life is not going to be easy for them after this.
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SnowRose
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This is the dilemma of many people, mainly women, in the metoo reaction.
Do you acceed to sexual advances of superiors who hold your carreer, maybe your vocation, in their sleezy hands? Those young seminarians were in the same spot.
Do you acceed to sexual advances of superiors who hold your carreer, maybe your vocation, in their sleezy hands? Those young seminarians were in the same spot.
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Annie
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Yes, and I think that priests need a lot of prayers for spiritual support. And I know I don’t pray enough for them, tho I try to pray for them regularly.
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Dr_Meinheimer
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But they are doing just that. They are just doing it with another group of flawed humans in another Church. As someone said, should we assume they have left schools, sports teams, and their workplaces behind as well? I doubt it. Satan doesn’t care about those. His goal is drive people from the Catholic Church, because there is nothing that he fears more than the Eucharist.
Their salvation is tied to the teachings of Jesus Christ. I get being demoralized, angry, sad, and any range of emotions, but to be able to walk away highlights that there was no belief in the history and teachings of Christ’s Church to begin with. And not much we say here will change that.
Their salvation is tied to the teachings of Jesus Christ. I get being demoralized, angry, sad, and any range of emotions, but to be able to walk away highlights that there was no belief in the history and teachings of Christ’s Church to begin with. And not much we say here will change that.
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MagdalenaRita
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You have to remember, priests and bishops are human beings and they are tempted and sin just like the rest of us.
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Dr_Meinheimer
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You have very strong beliefs about complex subjects like the Primacy of Peter and the East West Schism for someone who just decided to leave because of this scandal… I daresay not a single other person who actually left over the scandal gave much thought to those things…
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MagdalenaRita
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This exactly. When we say what about protestants, schools and scouts, it is true they have the same problems but the reason no one talks about them or deals with them is because this is coming from satan and he wants to bring down the Catholic church and ruin lives and souls. Those other places he couldn’t care less about and people should worry about that because those places will then go unchecked.
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Dr_Meinheimer
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No, but the existence of God’s lighting and air conditioning unit is.
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