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Shinobu
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That’s easy to say. Do you think I want to go to my Father and ask him for more money when he is already helping me?
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Nota_Bene
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I do not wear “designer wear.” I wear timeless, classical clothes – much of which I have owned for several years.
I OFTEN shop at the Nordstrom Rack – their clearance outlet…
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rcn
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Nota Bene:
Are you “Crusader”? How many user names have you gone through here?
Says you.
Are you “Crusader”? How many user names have you gone through here?
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Nota_Bene
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It would be a far different question if Catholics always dressed in an extremely leisurely manner, while Protestants always dressed more formally, but that’s simply not the case.
I would say most Christians dressed roughly the same on Sundays until ~1968 or so.
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Nota_Bene
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I see you don’t have an answer either…
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Tantum_ergo
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One thought–and it’s just a thought–
Until the 1960s, most societies historically took seriously the idea of a separate mode of dressing for the sacred and for the secular. While Protestants shared this idea especially in the 18th and 19th centuries, and have re-embraced it today, in the period of the 60s and 70s there was a “rebellion” against authority which carried over into the realm not just of church but even of “work”–remember “dressing down Fridays”, and “business casual?”
But in the glitzy 80s, with rebellion safely in one’s “organic” past and the new “toys” and “gimme” mentality, we began the slow way back toward “dressing appropriately”. . .with one exception. The rebel, be s/he upper, middle, or lower class, continued on with his or her stubborn pursuit of “being true to MYSELF” and “egalitarianism”. Add into the mix the 80s Catholic “social justice” overkill and voila!–we have the seething mix of rebel, would-be “do-gooder”, “egalitarian” Catholic who just “can’t understand why we are fussing about clothes when there are so many more important things” (few if any of which they actually attempt to address themselves to), or bleat and moan piteously about how unfair we’re being to the poor and homeless with our shameless focus on–gasp–external appearances.
Too many think that “dressing up” is just an “outward sign” and conversely that “dressing down” IS NOT AN OUTWARD SIGN, but rather shows the “honesty and sincerity” of the dressed down person, whereas a “dressed up” person is condemned out of hand for being pretentious, “outwardly focused”, “insincere”, prideful, vain, etc. etc.
But you can’t have it both ways. If “dressing up” is an outward sign, so is “dressing down”. . .anything but sheer nakedness is obviously an “outward” covering. And if “dressing up” can equate to attempting to be “what you’re not”, so is “dressing down”, because any article of clothing is something we are, in our natural, or naked state, “not”.
Until the 1960s, most societies historically took seriously the idea of a separate mode of dressing for the sacred and for the secular. While Protestants shared this idea especially in the 18th and 19th centuries, and have re-embraced it today, in the period of the 60s and 70s there was a “rebellion” against authority which carried over into the realm not just of church but even of “work”–remember “dressing down Fridays”, and “business casual?”
But in the glitzy 80s, with rebellion safely in one’s “organic” past and the new “toys” and “gimme” mentality, we began the slow way back toward “dressing appropriately”. . .with one exception. The rebel, be s/he upper, middle, or lower class, continued on with his or her stubborn pursuit of “being true to MYSELF” and “egalitarianism”. Add into the mix the 80s Catholic “social justice” overkill and voila!–we have the seething mix of rebel, would-be “do-gooder”, “egalitarian” Catholic who just “can’t understand why we are fussing about clothes when there are so many more important things” (few if any of which they actually attempt to address themselves to), or bleat and moan piteously about how unfair we’re being to the poor and homeless with our shameless focus on–gasp–external appearances.
Too many think that “dressing up” is just an “outward sign” and conversely that “dressing down” IS NOT AN OUTWARD SIGN, but rather shows the “honesty and sincerity” of the dressed down person, whereas a “dressed up” person is condemned out of hand for being pretentious, “outwardly focused”, “insincere”, prideful, vain, etc. etc.
But you can’t have it both ways. If “dressing up” is an outward sign, so is “dressing down”. . .anything but sheer nakedness is obviously an “outward” covering. And if “dressing up” can equate to attempting to be “what you’re not”, so is “dressing down”, because any article of clothing is something we are, in our natural, or naked state, “not”.
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jlw
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Nota Bene:
The only way to shop!
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Nota_Bene
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Tantum ergo:
I suppose quite a few downright lazy individuals follow the path blazed by the “rebels”, but again, why for the most part in Catholic and not Protestant parishes?
Fascinating analysis – it sounds very logical. One question though. Why are so many “rebels” clustered in the Catholic Church, and not within Protestantism?
I suppose quite a few downright lazy individuals follow the path blazed by the “rebels”, but again, why for the most part in Catholic and not Protestant parishes?
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Genesis315
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Here’s a thought: Back in the day everyone wore suits and dresses all the time. Although I didn’t live in those days, I have seen “Leave it to Beaver” and “Father Knows Best.” Mr. and Mrs Cleaver wore their Sunday best while they hung around the house. Nowadays, people still wear their Sunday best around the house. That Sunday best is just shorts and a muscle shirt.
In all serious though, we’re all reasonable people. I think we all can tell what’s appropriate or not. I’m willing to be that even those showing the thong know it’s inappropriate; they just don’t care.
In all serious though, we’re all reasonable people. I think we all can tell what’s appropriate or not. I’m willing to be that even those showing the thong know it’s inappropriate; they just don’t care.
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kamz
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:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
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kamz
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Nota Bene:
Um, where I live you can use the computers at the library for free every single day and did you even think Nota Bene that this is a way a person is accessing Catholic forums, you have really shown your true colors in that very bitter statement
Wow, Nota Bene, how un Christain of you :tsktsk:
Um, where I live you can use the computers at the library for free every single day and did you even think Nota Bene that this is a way a person is accessing Catholic forums, you have really shown your true colors in that very bitter statement
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kamz
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Nota Bene:
wow, who are you? Gee, you must know it all, did you talk to God on the phone this a.m. and he told you to tell us all how he wants us to live? :bigyikes:
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rcn
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Nota Bene:
You said “*most *Catholics seem to be still dressed in an extremely leisurely and/or downright unacceptable manner”. Simply not so.
Yup, you’re Crusader all right. Presenting your opinions as fact, and asking others to explain them.
You said “*most *Catholics seem to be still dressed in an extremely leisurely and/or downright unacceptable manner”. Simply not so.
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wcknight
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God doesn’t care what you wear, the important thing is that you show up.
I wear a jacket and tie, but only because I am an usher. You are welcome in our parish anytime and I’m sure Monsignor agrees.
We have a young priest who wear sandals to say mass (even on the coldest days in winter), and he is the nicest person you will ever meet. To me it reminds me that Jesus probably wore sandals all the times.
BUT I would not go overboard though, tee shirt and shorts are okay in the summer, if they look neat. IF you can afford decent clothes it would be a sign of respect to the Almightly if you can show up with with something appropriate.
As far as anyone noticing, it’s really none of their business.
God’ s just happy you made the effort to show up.
Everything in moderation INCLUDING moderation.
Christ’s Peace.
There are a LOT of churches in Italy ( the Domo in Milan, and San Marco in Venice ) that require appropriate dress to enter especially during Mass and they will ask you to leave or not let you in at all.
I wear a jacket and tie, but only because I am an usher. You are welcome in our parish anytime and I’m sure Monsignor agrees.
We have a young priest who wear sandals to say mass (even on the coldest days in winter), and he is the nicest person you will ever meet. To me it reminds me that Jesus probably wore sandals all the times.
BUT I would not go overboard though, tee shirt and shorts are okay in the summer, if they look neat. IF you can afford decent clothes it would be a sign of respect to the Almightly if you can show up with with something appropriate.
As far as anyone noticing, it’s really none of their business.
God’ s just happy you made the effort to show up.
Everything in moderation INCLUDING moderation.
Christ’s Peace.
There are a LOT of churches in Italy ( the Domo in Milan, and San Marco in Venice ) that require appropriate dress to enter especially during Mass and they will ask you to leave or not let you in at all.
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kamz
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I agree with you
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Annunciata
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I don’t know rcn…he also sounds a lot like Beng…
I’m so glad your safe now! Dear Beng I even took you off my ignore list! Then again he could be Salvo…who left me w/ that awful task of judging the Joke Contest…
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hsmama
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I think if more people dressed appropriately for Mass, and I am taking appropriate to mean slacks, skirts, dress shirts ect., then there might be more reverence shown during the Mass. The dress of the parishoners would further convey that the Mass and receiving the body and blood of Christ is not something “casual”. You are not going to your neighbors for coffee. More people may then refrain from other things like talking, reading the bulleting etc. Just a thought! 
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Nota_Bene
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The responses to my question are very eye opening…
While Tantum ergo certainly proffered an excellent analysis and Genesis315 was more than honest, this question seems to be agitating others.
While they cannot offer an answer or even meaningful dialogue, they certainly come here to vent. I would be willing to bet that they are extremely defensive about how they personally dress for the Mass and they are simply projecting here.
I wonder why such a simple question is causing so much consternation? Perhaps because it cannot be answered by most Catholics without feeling at least a tinge of guilt?
I truly hope to see some others people’s ideas on why most Protestants recoved far better than most Catholics with regard to dressing in one’s "Sunday best."
While I think Tantum ergo’s analysis is quite correct, I still wonder wny most Protestants recovered so much better than most Catholics.
P.S. If you honestly believe most Protestants do not dress a whole lot better than most Catholics on Sundays then you’re wearing blinders or you’re living a truly insular life.
While Tantum ergo certainly proffered an excellent analysis and Genesis315 was more than honest, this question seems to be agitating others.
While they cannot offer an answer or even meaningful dialogue, they certainly come here to vent. I would be willing to bet that they are extremely defensive about how they personally dress for the Mass and they are simply projecting here.
I wonder why such a simple question is causing so much consternation? Perhaps because it cannot be answered by most Catholics without feeling at least a tinge of guilt?
I truly hope to see some others people’s ideas on why most Protestants recoved far better than most Catholics with regard to dressing in one’s "Sunday best."
While I think Tantum ergo’s analysis is quite correct, I still wonder wny most Protestants recovered so much better than most Catholics.
P.S. If you honestly believe most Protestants do not dress a whole lot better than most Catholics on Sundays then you’re wearing blinders or you’re living a truly insular life.
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HumbleSinner
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Hey, that’s exactly what my neighbor says. Linda (not her real name) refuses to wear a bra under her very tight fitting shirts. She says this is because bras make her uncomfortable but many of the teenage boys and some of the men at church joke amongst themselves saying that she just wants to show off her DD implants. She also always wears very short shorts in the summer or short mini skirts and always with high heels. So, the next time I see the teenage boys with their jaws down to their knees
and their eyeballs falling out of their sockets:bigyikes: I will remember to tell them “God doesn’t care what you wear, the important thing is that you show up.”
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Nota_Bene
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I wish those suggesting that would use the numbers provided.Hey, that’s exactly what my neighbor says. Linda (not her real name) refuses to wear a bra under her very tight fitting shirts. She says this is because it makes her uncomfortable but many of the teenage boys and some of the men at church joke amongst themselves saying that she just wants to show off her DD implants. She also always wears very short shorts in the summer or short mini skirts and always with high heels. So, the next time I see the teenage boys with their jaws down to their knees
This is #1.
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