Catholicism verses Islam differences and similarities

[inJESUS]

laa ilaaha illa Allah!!! .

that should read Laa Ilaaha illaLaah

 

[Sister_Amy]

Sister Amy, honour killing is related to sexual impurity…if a woman is married, she must be stoned right? who will stone her? is her father or brother ok?

Why should a woman be stoned if she is married!?

on what basis is honour killing rejected if killing adulterers is ok? is it about the way it is done of is there somethin else?

I will tell you. Four witnesses, and all parties punished, and punished under the law. The punishment for an unmarried person who commits fornication with another unmarried person is NOT death by stoning. It’s not. So honor killing for an unmarried person transgresses the limits set by Allah (first time.) Secondly, in order for a person to be punished for adultery or fornication, there have to be FOUR witnesses, who TESTIFY. Honor killings are private affairs, not taken to court. So they transgress the limits set by Allah (a second time.) Thidly, if there are FOUR witnesses to an act of adultery or fornication, how is it possible they only incriminate the woman? A woman cannot fornicate with herself. There has to be a man involved. And the punishment for the man is the same as for the woman. Which is the third transgression against the laws of Allah.

 

[Sister_Amy]

that should read Laa Ilaaha illaLaah

No, it should read laa ilaaha illaLLaah because there is a shaddah on the laam in Allah. (and it is heavy)

But to be extra precise I write laa ilaaha illa Allah and make separate words out of it. no. god. except. ALLAH.

 

[Sister_Amy]

One Muslim father killed his 17 year old daughter simply for falling in love with a British soldier.

Vickie

Is that my fault somehow?

I’m telling you what the father did was illegal… what’s your beef?

 

[Verisimilitude]

Not if you look at the whole thing instead of what ever pieces you like to pick and choose.

I have taken it as a whole. I have read it at least 3 times to make sure I am not getting it wrong with respect to what the Quran calls Muslims to do. I have gone out of my way to try and make it seem tolerant. It isn’t.

God Almighty made the exceptions. Do you think a country should be able to defend itself if it is attacked?

If the god of the Quran made them through the mouth of Mohammed then they are false. I certainly do. Do you think Egypt and Syria, Mesopotamia and Persia attacked Mohammed/Islam or was it the other way around?

 

[inJESUS]

No, it should read laa ilaaha illaLLaah because there is a shaddah on the laam in Allah. (and it is heavy)

oops…my mistake

But to be extra precise I write laa ilaaha illa Allah and make separate words out of it. no. god. except. ALLAH.

 

[Sister_Amy]

oops…my mistake

 

[Booklover]

am trying to understand…a woman with questionable behavior, is she a threat to the ummah? threat to other women? should she be stoned? confined? men can beat such a woman, but should she be killed? by who? and who decides and based on what? Amy do you know about such cases?

Here’s the link to the story I mentioned. The relationship had been totally innocent. She was killed simply for falling in love with an infidel.

But here are plenty more links to honor killings.

Vickie

 

[inJESUS]

Why should a woman be stoned if she is married!?

in case of fornication, that is why i stressed “married” since otherwise she’ll be flogged.

So honor killing for an unmarried person transgresses the limits set by Allah (first time.)

 

[Sailka]

Why does the Quran call for fighting and killing in every other verse to spread the faith? I agree, it has been that way since the begining.

The Koran Very rarelly calls for killing, except in self defense. At time of Muhammed and first Muslims, another tribe tried to military conquest and kill them all. Every one. That is why the Koran says to kill only their persecutors, in defense, unless they convert to Islam, then. Have to know history to understand the Bible or Koran.
Know why God ordered the killing of everyone, or all cildren in old testament sometimes? He Did not. 32 year Vatican Seminary professor conducting local retreat 2 years ago answered that That was ‘the way things were written’ in Old Terstament days.

 

[Sister_Amy]

I have taken it as a whole. I have read it at least 3 times to make sure I am not getting it wrong with respect to what the Quran calls Muslims to do. I have gone out of my way to try and make it seem tolerant. It isn’t.

And yet you said every other verse talks about killing… maybe your Qur’an is missing most of it’s chapters… you should look into getting a refund.

If the god of the Quran made them through the mouth of Mohammed then they are false. I certainly do. Do you think Egypt and Syria, Mesopotamia and Persia attacked Mohammed/Islam or was it the other way around?

You’re avoiding the question. If one country is attacked by another, shouldn’t it be allowed to defend itself?

 

[Booklover]

Is that my fault somehow?

I’m telling you what the father did was illegal… what’s your beef?

Actions speak louder than words!

Vickie

 

[Sailka]

that should read Laa Ilaaha illaLaah

                                                                                           tyVm  :)  tough  to type all day for  non-professional  lovers of God. ;) :thumbsup:

 

[Sister_Amy]

in case of fornication, that is why i stressed “married” since otherwise she’ll be flogged.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Actions speak louder than words!

Vickie

So if I show you that people speed on I-40 does it mean that speeding is not against the law?

 

[inJESUS]

Vicky, Muhammad was simply not “the” example of peace…what some might find as “legitimate”, others may not…even if you think you are innocent yet from Islamic perspective you are not, it’s subjective…and no authority in Islam so discussing violence in Islam is futile…yes Muhamad killed and raided and slaughtered even poets who wrote against him and his followers conqurered (futuhat) as soon as he died and killed and stoned and subdued others, but from their perspective, it is “legitimate”…anything might fall under “attacking Islam” and since there is no authority, it’s a chaos.

 

[jen_fla]

sister amy, thank you for responding.

i have taken the beginning of a section of the quran that i am having trouble with.

**The Immunity

[9.1] (This is a declaration of) immunity by Allah and His Apostle towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement.

[9.2] So go about in the land for four months and know that you cannot weaken Allah and that Allah will bring disgrace to the unbelievers.

[9.3] And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Apostle are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.

[9.4] Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.6] And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.

[9.7] How can there be an agreement for the idolaters with Allah and with His Apostle; except those with whom you made an agreement at the Sacred Mosque? So as long as they are true to you, be true to them; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).**

what if a nonbeliever wants to make an agreement with a muslim that each party shall leave the other in peace, but does not want to pay the tax? are they to be killed for that?

 

[inJESUS]

Um… I don’t know. Never thought to ask… I’d presume more flogging but I really don’t know. This is of course after fornicating… publicly… .

care to ask about this for me? thank you.

 

[Verisimilitude]

The Koran Very rarelly calls for killing, except in self defense. At time of Muhammed and first Muslims, another tribe tried to military conquest and kill them all. Every one. That is why the Koran says to kill only their persecutors, in defense, unless they convert to Islam, then.

What tribe attacked Mohammed and the Muslims? The Quran calls for killing and fighting in order to bring Islam to others so the defense is by the non-Muslims.

Have to know history to understand the Bible or Koran.

I suppose it depends on who is telling the history.

Know why God ordered the killing of everyone, or all cildren in old testament sometimes? He Did not. 32 year Vatican Seminary professor conducting local retreat 2 years ago answered that That was ‘the way things were written’ in Old Terstament days.

I’d like to see that report if you have a link.

 

[R_not]

Not if they incline towards peace. Not that those teachings even apply today because there is no Islamic state. But nice try.

IF they incline to peace?! Well, it seems that there are a whole heck of a lot of them that do not! Why are not you muslims putting your energies into telling your fellow muslims who keep on killing, subjugating, or forcing them to convert, or enslaving, etc to stop it? When you guys do that - then we will believe it.

but, it has to be a very, large movement of the masses of ‘moderates’ those same ones that dance and ulalate and/or riot/kill/destroy when they murder for allah, or if a cartoon is drawn.