Catholics in US overwhelmingly support homosexual unions [CWN]

[Tigg]

Oh, and like Rich said, sinning Catholics are still Catholic. They are just not in a state of grace if they are unrepentant. Right? ?

You are correct.

I don’t see how one can call someone baptized Catholic and observant of Catholic sacraments and accepting of the RCC hierarchy and legitimacy of claim back to Peter as “not Catholic” because they disagree on gay marriage. Does the RCC actively seek to cast these types of people out as heretics

Gay marriage happens to be one of the non-negotiables and you’re getting into theological censures, which I, for one, cannot answer. I don’t know if the claim this article is making is true, but in fact, many Christians, Catholic or otherwise, are apostates in this post modernism era which declares truth not only unattainable, but irrelevant. The voice of the Church has become muted to them, steeped as they are in hedonism. Their choice, indeed! But it really matters not how many Catholics fall away from their inheritance - the bulwark will stand because truth cannot change, and will continue to light the way, regardless of the numbers of fallen souls.

 

[LatinJohn]

LGBTQQIA = Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Questioning, Intersex and Allies.

On October 20th, 2010, we will wear purple in honor of the several young adults who committed suicide in recent weeks/months/years due to homophobic abuse in their homes and at their schools. Purple represents Spirit on the LGBTQ flag and that’s exactly what we’d like all of you to have with you: spirit. Please know that times will get better and that you will meet people who will love you and respect you for who you are, no matter your sexuality. Please wear purple on October 20th. Tell your friends, family, co-workers, neighbors and schools.

Please don’t promote homosexuality on a Catholic forum. Thanks.

 

[larkin31]

Please don’t promote homosexuality on a Catholic forum. Thanks.

He is promoting concern for suicide! Can’t you see that?

Maybe YOU should not promote callousness toward suicide on a Catholic forum.

 

[estesbob]

He is promoting concern for suicide! Can’t you see that?

Maybe YOU should not promote callousness toward suicide on a Catholic forum.

He is promoting concern for suicides only by those who engage in homosexual behavior. It is unfortunate how homosexual apologists try to hijack legitimate concerns, like bullying in schools and teen suicides, to advance their political agenda.

 

[StAnastasia]

Please don’t promote homosexuality on a Catholic forum. Thanks.

Perhaps you have never known someone who committed suicide – it is really tragic. As a Catholic university professor I work with many students from all walks of life, and the obstacles they encounter to their mental health can be forbidding. I was not the only parent at our Catholic school morning assembly today wearing purple; in fact, a number of students were as well!

 

[StAnastasia]

He is promoting concern for suicides only by those who engage in homosexual behavior. It is unfortunate how homosexual apologists try to hijack legitimate concerns, like bullying in schools and teen suicides, to advance their political agenda.

You’re lying about me again. I promote concern for any suicide, including those of our service men and women returning from Iraq. Any suicide is a tragedy, but we should all be especially concerned when we find a disproportionate number of people from any group taking their own lives.

StAnastasia

 

[estesbob]

You’re lying about me again. I promote concern for any suicide, including those of our service men and women returning from Iraq. Any suicide is a tragedy, but we should all be especially concerned when we find a disproportionate number of people from any group taking their own lives.

StAnastasia

And encouraging them to commit spiritual suicide is just as bad as suicide. The suggestion was to wear purple n support of those who engage in homosexual behavior that might be prone to suicide. Why is every other teen excluded? The truth is is designed to push an agenda-the hijacking of a legitimate concern to push the homosexual agenda.

 

[edwest2]

And encouraging them to commit spiritual suicide is just as bad as suicide. The suggestion was to wear purple n support of those who engage in homosexual behavior that might be prone to suicide. Why is every other teen excluded? The truth is is designed to push an agenda-the hijacking of a legitimate concern to push the homosexual agenda.

You are correct. It is a standard weapon of psychological warfare called emphasis and de-emphasis. This brings pressure to bear on Catholics who are perceived to be less intelligent than those who use this tactic. It is designed to appeal to their stereotype of Catholic guilt which they believe can be manipulated. It is designed to appeal to the emotions, not the intellect. I was bullied and even beaten up a few times myself so I understand, in part.

Yes, all sorts of people commit suicide for all sorts of reasons. There is already an expectation of an increase in military suicides:

nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/09/military_warns_of_expected_inc.html

But since that cannot be directly used to promote a political agenda, it is only occasionally mentioned.

The actual people who do the actually bullying of gay individuals are the specific people at fault. They are to blame. All groups contain miscreants who bully others for a variety of reasons. In this particular case, it would be a mistake to say “they,” meaning Catholics, are all like that.

God bless,
Ed

 

[StAnastasia]

And encouraging them to commit spiritual suicide is just as bad as suicide. The suggestion was to wear purple n support of those who engage in homosexual behavior that might be prone to suicide. Why is every other teen excluded? The truth is is designed to push an agenda-the hijacking of a legitimate concern to push the homosexual agenda.

You seem super-excited about the homosexual agenda. Why is that? For most people it is a non-issue. I find that among my acquaintances, the ones who are most vocal are those who are anxious and unsure about heir own sexual orientation.

 

[rlg94086]

You seem super-excited about the homosexual agenda. Why is that? For most people it is a non-issue. I find that among my acquaintances, the ones who are most vocal are those who are anxious and unsure about heir own sexual orientation.

Nice smear.

 

[estesbob]

You seem super-excited about the homosexual agenda. Why is that? For most people it is a non-issue. I find that among my acquaintances, the ones who are most vocal are those who are anxious and unsure about heir own sexual orientation.

Oh my! I know that the reaction I’m supposed to have is to vehemently deny that I engage in homosexual behavior but I know that such accusations are part and parcel of the reaction of homosexual apologists when they can’t defend their positions. I’ve been called worse by better.

 

[rlg94086]

The wearing of purple in opposition to the bullying of gay teens is fine, but it is also worded as “in support of gay teens.” That leads to confusion about the exact purpose of the purple wearing for today. I don’t support active homosexuality, so I wouldn’t want to give that impression. On the other hand, I am wholly opposed to the bullying/harassing of others and certainly find suicide to be a very sad thing…regardless of the sexual preference of the person being harassed and/or committing suicide.

 

[estesbob]

Nice smear.

The only difference here is that usually you get such nonsense by PM and are encouraged to come out and they will be there for you!

 

[rlg94086]

Oh my! I know that the reaction I’m supposed to have is to vehemently deny that I engage in homosexual behavior but I know that such accusations are part and parcel of the reaction of homosexual apologists when they can’t defend their positions. I’ve been called worse by better.

If you deny it, it will only make it that much clearer that you are a homosexual.

Just ignore the unintellectual homophobe accusations.

 

[estesbob]

If you deny it, it will only make it that much clearer that you are a homosexual.

Just ignore the unintellectual homophobe accusations.

I know. Reminds me of that great Seinfeld episode where the rumor got around that Jerry and George were lovers. They kept saying “no we are no homosexual, not that there’s anything wrong with that!”

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

You seem super-excited about the homosexual agenda. Why is that? For most people it is a non-issue. I find that among my acquaintances, the ones who are most vocal are those who are anxious and unsure about their own sexual orientation.

I see. “among your acquaintances.” That makes it clear to me that you aren’t implying anything about posters on this Forum.

 

[rlg94086]

I see. “among your acquaintances.” That makes it clear to me that you aren’t implying anything about posters on this Forum.

Weasel wording.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Weasel wording.

I don’t see that. StA’s being careful or perhaps precise with his or her words is what I saw.

Like the common error on the Forum of saying “Liberals” or “Conservatives” carelessly implying all libs or conservatives, where “some” or “most” or “many” is more correct. Precision is better.

 

[edwest2]

You seem super-excited about the homosexual agenda. Why is that? For most people it is a non-issue. I find that among my acquaintances, the ones who are most vocal are those who are anxious and unsure about heir own sexual orientation.

Your comments about your personal experience reflects an insular worldview. Gay marriage was voted down twice in the most populous state in the country yet you have the audacity to make a claim about “most people.” That statement is clearly not factual. And in states where so-called gay marriage is legal it was not by the will of the people.

The false reference to people being emotional about gay marriage due to uncertainty about their own sexual orientation is unprovable as I believe you know. It is, however, further evidence of a form of propaganda that is being used here.

God bless,
Ed

 

[StAnastasia]

I see. “among your acquaintances.” That makes it clear to me that you aren’t implying anything about posters on this Forum.

No – it’s just a question. Someone in our choir about a decade ago was a buttoned down, uptight hardliner against homosexuality. The next month he was found dead in his car. He was a salesman, and apparently on an out-of-town trip he had attempted to pick up two young men at a bar, who then murdered him.

It was immensely sad for this man’s wife and four children. The investigators got hold of his private journal in which he recounted his many years of wrestling with who he was. For the sake of the children, his widow tried desperately to get the press not to publish the journal, but they went ahead anyway. It was devastating to the family. I lost touch when we moved, so I don’t know how the kids are coping.