Catholics in US overwhelmingly support homosexual unions [CWN]

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Rich_Olszewski said:
I don’t see that. StA’s being careful or perhaps precise with his or her words is what I saw.

Like the common error on the Forum of saying “Liberals” or “Conservatives” carelessly implying all libs or conservatives, where “some” or “most” or “many” is more correct. Precision is better.
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It’s “precision” used to avoid directly smearing someone. It is employed all the time by acquaintances of mine that are weak willed, but really desire to insult people. 😉
 
StAnastasia said:
No – it’s just a question. Someone in our choir about a decade ago was a buttoned down, uptight hardliner against homosexuality. The next month he was found dead in his car. He was a salesman, and apparently on an out-of-town trip he had attempted to pick up two young men at a bar, who then murdered him.

It was immensely sad for this man’s wife and four children. The investigators got hold of his private journal in which he recounted his many years of wrestling with who he was. For the sake of the children, his widow tried desperately to get the press not to publish the journal, but they went ahead anyway. It was devastating to the family. I lost touch when we moved, so I don’t know how the kids are coping.
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Another example of misdirection - what is true for one is true for all.

A sad and irrational part of the internet involves people who are so sure that their group is representative of the entire population that their opinion morphs into a fact. It’s all part of the “they’re all like that” thinking promoted by radical groups for propaganda purposes.

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Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Another example of misdirection - what is true for one is true for all.
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No, this is not true for all, but it was true for my fellow choir member and his family, and it had tragic results. Another choir member who was socially pressured into a marriage he had no business contracting came to realize later that he was gay. However, in his case he waited until his children were grown and out of the house before he and his wife separated. He hand his partner, and his ex-wife, are now actively involved in the lives of his children. A different life trajectory, with different results.
 
estesbob said:
And encouraging them to commit spiritual suicide is just as bad as suicide. The suggestion was to wear purple n support of those who engage in homosexual behavior that might be prone to suicide. Why is every other teen excluded? The truth is is designed to push an agenda-the hijacking of a legitimate concern to push the homosexual agenda.
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I am a high school teacher. If you think that this day somehow takes from my–or that of others–concerns for ALL teen suicides, you are full of deep-seated religious prejudice.

I find your remarks incredibly uncharitable. Truly. Bizarrely so, and unbecoming of any big-hearted person. I feel fairly certain that no spokesperson for the RCC would suggest that concern for the suicides of gays is somehow contrary to church teaching.

I honestly think that you should examine yourself for your prejudice and callousness in this area. When self-righteousness trumps charity, I am quite saddened.
 
StAnastasia said:
No, this is not true for all, but it was true for my fellow choir member and his family, and it had tragic results. Another choir member who was socially pressured into a marriage he had no business contracting came to realize later that he was gay. However, in his case he waited until his children were grown and out of the house before he and his wife separated. He hand his partner, and his ex-wife, are now actively involved in the lives of his children. A different life trajectory, with different results.
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He made a poor choice. Homosexuals are called to chastity.
 
larkin31 said:
I am a high school teacher. If you think that this day somehow takes from my–or that of others–concerns for ALL teen suicides, you are full of deep-seated religious prejudice.

I find your remarks incredibly uncharitable. Truly. Bizarrely so, and unbecoming of any big-hearted person. I feel fairly certain that no spokesperson for the RCC would suggest that concern for the suicides of gays is somehow contrary to church teaching.

I honestly think that you should examine yourself for your prejudice and callousness in this area. When self-righteousness trumps charity, I am quite saddened.
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Well at least you didn’t didn’t accuse me of being a homosexual.

This is the second time today that someone has tried to shut the thread down by accusing those who disagree with them as been self-righteous , uncharitable and /or a closet homosexual The point remains the same-homosexual apologists have hijacked legitimate concerns about bullying and teen suicides to push their political agenda. There is nothing charitable about affirming grievous sin.there is nothing self-righteous about expressing the teachings of the Catholic Church.

As an employer who has to hire the students that the American education system puts out I really wish the teachers would spend a lot more time teaching them how to read and write than and less time teaching them how to use condoms and that all sexual behaviors are equal.
 
estesbob said:
As an employer who has to hire the students that the American education system puts out I really wish the teachers would spend a lot more time teaching them how to read and write than and less time teaching them how to use condoms and that all sexual behaviors are equal.
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At my sons’ Catholic school they do teach reading and writing, and respect for all persons, even those who are different.
 
StAnastasia said:
At my sons’ Catholic school they do teach reading and writing, and respect for all persons, even those who are different.
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I’ve not seen anybody in this thread claim we should not respect all people ,even those who are different. However there is a huge difference between respecting somebody and affirming their sinful behavior. You don’t show someone respect by respecting grievous sin.
 
estesbob said:
I’ve not seen anybody in this thread claim we should not respect all people ,even those who are different. However there is a huge difference between respecting somebody and affirming their sinful behavior. You don’t show some respect by respecting grievous sin.
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We all have different takes on what constitutes grievous sin. In my community that might include driving a Hummer 3, or belonging to the Tea Party movement, or supporting endless war in Iraq. Sex is a very minor preoccupation in my parish, if it is at all.
 
StAnastasia said:
We all have different takes on what constitutes grievous sin. In my community that might include driving a Hummer 3, or belonging to the Tea Party movement, or supporting endless war in Iraq. Sex is a very minor preoccupation in my parish, if it is at all.
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We are in a Catholic forum. If you think the church is wrong about homosexual behavior being a grievous sin then there’s no reason having this discussion.
 
estesbob said:
We are in a Catholic forum. If you think the church is wrong about homosexual behavior being a grievous sin then there’s no reason having this discussion.
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Don’t you know, Bob? It doesn’t matter what the Church teaches. What is important is what the individual community thinks. It’s all relative. :rolleyes:
 
estesbob said:
Well at least you didn’t didn’t accuse me of being a homosexual.
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That would never be an “accusation” from me. Nor would I ever care if you were gay or straight.
This is the second time today that someone has tried to shut the thread down by accusing those who disagree with them as been self-righteous , uncharitable and /or a closet homosexual The point remains the same-homosexual apologists have hijacked legitimate concerns about bullying and teen suicides to push their political agenda. There is nothing charitable about affirming grievous sin.there is nothing self-righteous about expressing the teachings of the Catholic Church
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That this may have been done somewhere is no reason why you should smear another person’s legitimate concerns over suicides, especially of teens, be they gay or otherwise. Maybe YOU should keep your political issues out of remarks about concern for suicide. As I say, I doubt that the RCC does what you have done. In fact, I can easily quote the American Bishop’s council letter on this topic to censure your callous tone.
As an employer who has to hire the students that the American education system puts out I really wish the teachers would spend a lot more time teaching them how to read and write than and less time teaching them how to use condoms and that all sexual behaviors are equal.
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What’s this got to do with this topic?
 
estesbob said:
We are in a Catholic forum. If you think the church is wrong about homosexual behavior being a grievous sin then there’s no reason having this discussion.
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I think that it is very wrong on this topic. Homosexuality is no “grievous sin.”
 
larkin31 said:
I think that it is very wrong on this topic. Homosexuality is no “grievous sin.”
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we are talking about homosexual behavior-as I have been careful to point out in all my posts SSA , altough disordered, is not a sin
 
StAnastasia said:
Perhaps you have never known someone who committed suicide – it is really tragic. As a Catholic university professor I work with many students from all walks of life, and the obstacles they encounter to their mental health can be forbidding. I was not the only parent at our Catholic school morning assembly today wearing purple; in fact, a number of students were as well!
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Can you let me know which Catholic university you teach at? You can PM me the info, if you like. My daughter is choosing a university right now, and I would like to make sure she makes good choices.
 
larkin31 said:
I think that it is very wrong on this topic. Homosexuality is no “grievous sin.”
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Our pastor and associates don’t often preach on “grievous sin” per se, but they preach on our duties as Christians, including our duties to the poor in our community, to the economically marginalized, to those without health insurance, to future generations who will inherit ravaged earth, to the victims of war and famine, to victims of domestic violence, to our spouses and our children.

StAnastasia
 
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