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larkin31
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Homosexual behavior is not a “grievous sin”.
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addictedkoala
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I wanted to pitch in as a college student. Being there today I can confidently say that wearing purple isn’t being taken by young adults as just a suicide thing, it is certainly being taken as implicit support for homosexual behavior at the same time. I agree with you and others that it is taking advantage of a serious thing we need to help, suicide, in order to gain sympathy for an agenda. One that Catholics should be against at that. It is difficult to deal with, seeing as suicide is so incredibly sad
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estesbob
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Again we are discussing this from a Catholic perspective. If you reject the teachings of the Church then there really is no reason to discuss it with you.
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estesbob
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Having read your posts in this thread it is obvious to all that your pastor rarely preaches on this . His narrowminded focus on poverty and economic issues has unfortunately left a huge void in his parishioners understanding as to other teachings of the Catholic Church. This of course does not let you off the hook and as an educator is very important that you do not continue to misunderstand church teaching on homosexual behavior You can find the catechism of the Catholic Church at scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
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StAnastasia
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He’s not narrowminded at all. It’s obsession with “pelvic ethics” that might be considered rather narrowminded.
Rather, our pastor and his associates preach on a wide range of issues related to the gospel, and especially on the concerns of Jesus, which were social (the poor and downtrodden, the economically marginalized, the politically disposessed, prayer and its effects, etc).
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rlg94086
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Amazingly, our pastor finds the time to preach about those, as well as the rest of Church teaching. It isn’t a matter of “obsession” to include discussion of chastity when instructing Catholics. It is a matter of preaching about all of the deposit of faith, rather than just having an “obsession” with social justice issues.
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estesbob
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Your pastor appears to concentrate on a feel-good social gospel ministry while ignoring the important moral issues Catholics face in this country today Your dismissiveness Church teaching on homosexual behavior as “pelvic ethics” speaks volumes about the por cathecizing that takes place in your parish. Have you considered talking to your Bishop about how you are being short change by your Pastors obsession with politics and the so called social gospel? If you want to p.m. me the name of your parish I’ll be happy to do it for you. It saddens me that Catholics should have to endure such poor leadership from their pastor.
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StAnastasia
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Yes, it’s amazing the rich diversity in homiletical style we find in different parishes!
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estesbob
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Sounds like one of those parishes that had an innaguration party for barrack obama’s swearing in. It is my experience whenver someone talks incessantly about the Social Gospel they are saying :I vote Democrat"
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StAnastasia
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I wouldn’t say it’s “feel-good,” so much as it is taking the gospel seriously. Some of our pastoral staff who live in the rectory also are on the faculty at the local seminary. We feel we are being well served by these learned and spiritual men.
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rlg94086
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Homiletic style? I’m talking about content, not style. You are a professor, so I’m assuming you know the difference. Homilies are to relate to the readings of the day. Because of that, the “pelvic ethics” do come up during the cycle of readings. Maybe your pastor uses a different Lectionary?
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StAnastasia
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No, we did not have such an inauguration party. In fact, party politics almost never surfaces in church, as it should not. We have a wide range of political opinion represented, including both liberal and conservative.
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StAnastasia
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Adultery came up a few weeks ago.
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Warrenton
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We have to be careful when we speculate on the priorities of Christ. To the rich, He preached poverty, to the poor, acceptance, to the sick, health, to the priests, faith, and to the unchaste, chastity.
Indeed, Christ made sexual ethics more strict, not less strict. The woman at the well found that out when in reply to her claim to have not husband, He told her that she in fact had seven. The lawyers also found this out when they questioned Him about divorce. St. Paul speaks at length about chastity, and unless you think that he made all of that up, you would have to believe that he spoke on the topics because Christ had spoken on that topic.
All sin leads to slavery. Sexual sin, including same-sex fornication, is serious. If the priests aren’t preaching about it, they had better start. Evidently, a number of their own members missed the message.
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StAnastasia
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I don’t know whether seminaries offer practice sessions on homilies about fornication. I haven’t heard such a sermon since 1979 at the Cathedral in Cork, Ireland. The homilist thundered that “Irishmen may have a reputation for being drunkards and brawlers, but our sexual ethics are much better than those of Englishmen.” It was a memorable sermon!
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tzarno1
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Geez, another thousand posts to say what? If the Church is infallible in faith and morals
it doesn’t matter what the laity wants to believe. To not accept Church teaching is to
place yourself outside the Church. It is not a democracy and if every Catholic in the
United States wants homosexual ‘marriage’ it won’t matter a whit to the Church - the
truth doesn’t change because of a majority vote.
However hard Church teachings may be, to act in defiance - such as to vote especially
for a political figure who will fund or tangibly support abortion or homosexual unions - is
to place yourself in opposition to the Church and to say you know better than the 2000
years of the Holy Spirit defending the Faith as promised by Christ.
it doesn’t matter what the laity wants to believe. To not accept Church teaching is to
place yourself outside the Church. It is not a democracy and if every Catholic in the
United States wants homosexual ‘marriage’ it won’t matter a whit to the Church - the
truth doesn’t change because of a majority vote.
However hard Church teachings may be, to act in defiance - such as to vote especially
for a political figure who will fund or tangibly support abortion or homosexual unions - is
to place yourself in opposition to the Church and to say you know better than the 2000
years of the Holy Spirit defending the Faith as promised by Christ.
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larkin31
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Sounds just about the ratio of Jesus’s teachings in the Gospels. Shall we do a relative comparison of the various topics that Jesus is recorded to have touched upon?
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larkin31
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I don’t mind if you depart. But, for the record, I can respectfully discuss ethics with those who disagree with me. Can you?
And your “we” of the “Catholic perspective” does not include any of the non-Catholics who post here. Perhaps, if you are not seeking dialog with non_Catholics, a Catholic forum that includes and invites non-Catholics is not for you.
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buffalo
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Yeah, go for it - what is the subject He spoke on most?
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edwest2
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You claim to know what the Church teaches and you know what the topic is. I have no idea why you choose to post here.
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