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utah_rose
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That’s because they’ve been lax in religious instruction from their pastors or Bishops, or consider themselves above God; in other words, they are sinning the sin of pride. They are following Satan, not God.
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MarianD
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Not only do they not belong in the Church, but they are among the most obvious signs that one is not even a part of the Church.Good plan – racism and sexism don’t really belong in our Church.
“Whosoever does not love does not know God, for God is Love” - 1 John 4:8
“By this all men will know that you are my disciples if you love one another” - John 13:35
Clearly if someone doesn’t know God (whom Jesus says is everyone except “the Son and whoever the Son reveals Him to”) and isn’t among Christ’s disciples, then he/she cannot be called Christian until he/she fixes this problem.
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StAnastasia
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MarianD;717113I see it like this as well when it comes to gay Civil Unions. However said:MarianD, you could certainly argue that. However, I suspect abortion will remain legal as long as people who can be made pregnant have a legal voice. When we have silenced those voices, we can make it illegal again.
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StTommyMore
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The Deposit of Faith is not determined by Sensus Fideii. The Church has never endorsed homosexual unions, the idea of homosexual unions is contrary to the content of revealed Truth, and this idea (legitimacy of gay union) canno tbe traced to the Apostles via valid Apostolic Succession. Recognizing homosexual unions has no place in the Deposit of Faith.
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StTommyMore
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There is no freedom with abortion. Abortion deprives the most innocent of the most basic of rights: the right to exist. The right to “choose” must not be protected at the expense of the the slaughter of innocents.MarianD, you could certainly argue that. However, I suspect abortion will remain legal as long as people who can be made pregnant have a legal voice. When we have silenced those voices, we can make it illegal again.
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StAnastasia
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What criminal penalty would you deem appropriate for a twelve-year-old girl who is raped and becomes pregnant, and then ends the pregnancy? Prison? probation? a fine?There is no freedom with abortion. Abortion deprives the most innocent of the most basic of rights: the right to exist. The right to “choose” must not be protected at the expense of the the slaughter of innocents.
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StTommyMore
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Less that 1% of abortions are from rape victims. So your situation is not really applicable here. Can you explain how murdering an innocent party is justified? That is what you are proposing. A girl is raped, so she has the right to commit murder on an innocent party. What if she carries the baby to term, but after the child is born, the baby serves as a constant reminder of the horror of the rape? Can she kill the child after she delivers? WHy or why not?What criminal penalty would you deem appropriate for a twelve-year-old girl who is raped and becomes pregnant, and then ends the pregnancy? Prison? probation? a fine?
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StAnastasia
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Less that 1% of abortions are from rape victims. So your situation is not really applicable here.
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estesbob
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Nothing noble whatsover about puting ones politics before their faith.Nothing noble whatsover about not having the courage of your alleged convictions.Most Catholics in America look at it like this:
It’s a noble position of separating Church and State. When the two mix, disaster results, hence why Pope John Paul II forbade priests from holding public office.
- A notable example of this view would be Senator John Kerry (a senator from my state…just saying). He sees abortion as being morally wrong, but doesn’t see it as being legally wrong and so supports it with hesitation.
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Rich_Olszewski
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StTommyMore;7171321:
Using a 12 year old as an example is not a good choice, because of her age and diminished responsibility due to her immaturity.The percentage is irrelevant. I asked you what the penalty should be for the girl who has an abortion.
Your question might be more appropriate if directed at an adult woman.
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estesbob
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StTommyMore;7171321:
Be up to the courts to decide. However we know from the experience of the last 75 years prior to Roe being imposed that the law went exclusively after the abortionists -not those who porcured the abortion.The percentage is irrelevant. I asked you what the penalty should be for the girl who has an abortion.
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estesbob
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You cant unrape of woman. Killing the child only adds another victim to the tragedy.Less that 1% of abortions are from rape victims. So your situation is not really applicable here. Can you explain how murdering an innocent party is justified? That is what you are proposing. A girl is raped, so she has the right to commit murder on an innocent party. What if she carries the baby to term, but after the child is born, the baby serves as a constant reminder of the horror of the rape? Can she kill the child after she delivers? WHy or why not?
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StTommyMore
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StTommyMore;7171321:
You are presenting a nearly nonexistent situation.The percentage is irrelevant. I asked you what the penalty should be for the girl who has an abortion.
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StTommyMore
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I know this. i was asking the one infovor of infanticide.You cant unrape of woman. Killing the child only adds another victim to the tragedy.
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estesbob
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I was agrreing with you. It is interestting how those who support women killing their children always want to talk about the miniscule number of abortions procured becuase of rape or incest. For some reason they feel that supporting killing the child of such conceived through crime makes it morally accpetable to kill them.I know this. i was asking the one infovor of infanticide.
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estesbob
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Other than the embarrasment of having Bill once more sullying the white house I suspect the country would be just as bad off under Hillary as we are under Obama. Their mutual contempt for life can not help but affect the way they govern…I supported Clinton’s bid for the Democratic nomination because I thought she’d make a better President than Obama or McCain. A real disappointment to me that she isn’t leading our country today.
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StAnastasia
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StAnastasia;7171325:
Have you heard of Brazil? The girl raped last year by her stepfather was nine years old. That was not a nonexistent situation.You are presenting a nearly nonexistent situation.
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StAnastasia
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StAnastasia;7171325:
So, just to clarify, do you think an adult woman should be stoned, flogged, imprisoned, fined, or given probation if she has an abortion? Or should she not be punished at all?Using a 12 year old as an example is not a good choice, because of her age and diminished responsibility due to her immaturity. Your question might be more appropriate if directed at an adult woman.
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StTommyMore
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StTommyMore;7171367:
I said “nearly nonexistent,” not “totally nonexistent.” You still have yet to justify the addition of a second innocent victim.Have you heard of Brazil? The girl raped last year by her stepfather was nine years old. That was not a nonexistent situation.
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StAnastasia
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StAnastasia;7171481:
So, just to clarify, do you think an adult woman should be stoned, flogged, imprisoned, fined, or given probation if she has an abortion? Or should she not be punished at all?I said “nearly nonexistent,” not “totally nonexistent.”
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