Catholics need to submit themselves to Allah

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R_not said:
Do you even read the posts?

I have already told you that they do NOT obey any of the Commandments.

mohammed made up his own rules - they are called halal (what to do), haram (what not to do), and shirk.

mohammed had to make up his own rules since he did so many atrocious things in his life.
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so I assume the 10 Commandments arent in the Koran, and that Muslim Woman and Sister Amy have murdered somebody. Think what youre saying. Be open minded, and more Christ-like like John Paul II was.
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
tell me, where am I coming from? A muslim point of view? nah, I am not a muslim, I dont follow the laws of Islam. I submit myself to the Roman Catholic Church, and I belong to Jesus Christ, and I behold my Blessed Heavenly Mother Mary, ever Virgin! I dont follow Mohammed, nor do I justify his actions, but I do accept the truth he spread when the Holy Spirit intervened with his wickedness. With that said, dont think I am a submitter to Mohameed, Im a submitter to Allah:)
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beware, just because Muhammad quoted that which was known before him, does not mean God was involved. Someone who adopts gnostic and Arian teachings cannot be sent by God, nor was it the Holy Spirit who inspired him, but men’s words that some happen to be orthodox (virgin birth) and others totally heretic and absurd and stem from huge ignorance.
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
okay thank you man. But I have a quick question, if you dofind the other writtings, are they going to state that John Paul II didn`t mean what he said when he told Muslims we all worship the same God? If it dosen*t whats the point of showing me the writtings?
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I’ve got to clean up my links, I opened my laptop and I can’t find the link, yet I clearly remember sending it to a ex-Catholic Christian who was making the same claim. I can only think that I searched for it and didn’t bookmark it. So I’ll keep looking.

No, it is a fuller explanation than that. I won’t reply on my memory of the document, but trust me, if it didn’t support my contention that it is in support of the Catholic doctrine of love the sinner not the sin, there is some universal Truths in there, and that to many muslims they actually believe in their hearts they worship YHWH while at the same time, the qur’an is not from YHWH, I doubt it would have claimed my attention as it did.

Guys, the document isn’t on Islam itself, it is a general writing of JPII’s in which islam and muslims are discussed. I’ll have to get on the internet and search again for it.

As to your last statement, I honestly don’t think there is any point in you reading it as I consider you a wolf in sheep’s clothing on this forum. You are a muslim, not a Catholic as stated on your profile. I further believe your post is the action of a troll - trying to cause dissent amongst us.
 
inJESUS said:
beware, just because Muhammad quoted that which was known before him, does not mean God was involved. Someone who adopts gnostic and Arian teachings cannot be sent by God, nor was it the Holy Spirit who inspired him, but men’s words that some happen to be orthodox (virgin birth) and others totally heretic and absurd and stem from huge ignorance.
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yeah I know, but I believe God had a plan for Mohammeds actions. He knew Mohammed decided to submit himelf to the devil, but through His Mysterious works I believe the Holy Spirit IS responsible for some doctrines the Islam share with us Catholics. Mohammed might have used his tactic to gain more soldeirs (muslims) but God used His divine plan to be pleased with Muslims that adore Jesus and His Mother.

There are some muslim out there that even ask for Mary to interceed on their behalf. This is why I believe God did some mysterious work to turn satins plan on mohammed against him.

for example-

sickness. A sinful person might become very ill, but yet this illness represents something negetive, meaning it must be sinful. But God through His mysterious works might only reveal to this person through the illness. Maybe only when the person feels all this pain and suffering he will realise what he did to God. Thus having a conversion of heart. This happened plenty of times.
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
inJESUS;4841313:
Listen to this gentlman if you disagree with me. 🙂
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InJesus is not supporting your topic at all.

There is no doubt many muslims believe that the pagan god of mohammet’s saracen tribe is YHWH; there is no doubt that many muslims have, without knowing, accepted YHWH and do not follow the corrupt teachings of mohammet and his allah. However, this does not equate with allah being YHWH.
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chrisse said:
I’ve got to clean up my links, I opened my laptop and I can’t find the link, yet I clearly remember sending it to a ex-Catholic Christian who was making the same claim. I can only think that I searched for it and didn’t bookmark it. So I’ll keep looking.

No, it is a fuller explanation than that. I won’t reply on my memory of the document, but trust me, if it didn’t support my contention that it is in support of the Catholic doctrine of love the sinner not the sin, there is some universal Truths in there, and that to many muslims they actually believe in their hearts they worship YHWH while at the same time, the qur’an is not from YHWH, I doubt it would have claimed my attention as it did.

Guys, the document isn’t on Islam itself, it is a general writing of JPII’s in which islam and muslims are discussed. I’ll have to get on the internet and search again for it.

As to your last statement, I honestly don’t think there is any point in you reading it as I consider you a wolf in sheep’s clothing on this forum. You are a muslim, not a Catholic as stated on your profile. I further believe your post is the action of a troll - trying to cause dissent amongst us.
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so you believe Im a muslim? I am, I submit myself to Jesus Christ who is ALLAH. Im not a follower of Mohammed, if I was you need to provide evidence of that.
 
An example might help. If a man told you " i worship the One God, one Creator of heaven and earth, His name is Hanola and lives on a different planet ", what will you tell him? there are 2 parts to his belief, the first correct, the second wrong.

In other words, this man does indeed believe in the One creator (since there is one anyway) but has no clue as to who He is.

Now Muhammad told Muslims there is one God, he named Allah ( word taken from Aramaic), yet he told them God swears by horses, allows desires for married women, asks men to have sex with slaves without marriage, said Muhammad is the best role model, and claimed Jesus appeared to be crucified.

Obviously, these teachings are not from God, but Muhammad claimed they are from the one God which means Muslims think/claim they worship God, but actually are following Muhammad’s words.

In this sense, we cannot tell them no, you do not worship God, because they believe they do but we can say they are not following the teachings of the One God.
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
so I assume the 10 Commandments arent in the Koran, and that Muslim Woman and Sister Amy have murdered somebody. Think what youre saying. Be open minded, and more Christ-like like John Paul II was.
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Nope, no 10 Commandments - only mohammed’s versions of what to do and what not to do.

Your arguments that both these musim have murdered people is rather weird. No, they do not, but they both have supported hamas who have killed more muslims than any other. Who have hided behind children and caused their deaths, and who have lobbed bombs into Israel on a daily basis since 2005. Over 6,000 bombs lobbed.

They have probably both given to islamic charities (you can ask them yourself) and as we have found out they send their money to jihadists who fight in the cause of allah.

If you would do your own studying instead of taking muslim’s words for it maybe you will find out the truth.

Yes, the koran is hard to read - and I will admit it too me a long time to get through because there is no logical order to it. sister amy even at one point said she didn’t follow the hadiths which is totally inane since their sharia laws, sunnah and mohammed’s life is based on those. But, many muslims don’t read their own texts and threaten us when we do and find how abhorrent it is.

The koran is quite often the ramblings of a megalomanic, narcissist.

Reading the Bible probably wouldn’t hurt you either if you want to make yourself into a better resource and to discuss better than you have been discussing.

Reading the koran won’t convert anyone either. Any sane person who does read it couldn’t be converted by it. It made my faith in Jesus more strong.
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
so you believe Im a muslim? I am, I submit myself to Jesus Christ who is ALLAH. Im not a follower of Mohammed, if I was you need to provide evidence of that.
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Sir, you are the evidence. Your words are the evidence.
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
yeah I know, but I believe God had a plan for Mohammeds actions. He knew Mohammed decided to submit himelf to the devil, but through His Mysterious works I believe the Holy Spirit IS responsible for some doctrines the Islam share with us Catholics. Mohammed might have used his tactic to gain more soldeirs (muslims) but God used His divine plan to be pleased with Muslims that adore Jesus and His Mother.

There are some muslim out there that even ask for Mary to interceed on their behalf. This is why I believe God did some mysterious work to turn satins plan on mohammed against him.

for example-

sickness. A sinful person might become very ill, but yet this illness represents something negetive, meaning it must be sinful. But God through His mysterious works might only reveal to this person through the illness. Maybe only when the person feels all this pain and suffering he will realise what he did to God. Thus having a conversion of heart. This happened plenty of times.
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i can understand your argument but it can apply to many things so maybe we must not enter such arguments as “maybe God was involved, maybe not” and remember that Jesus warned against false prophets…when He warns, it means beware, it does not mean you must justify their lies in the name of “maybe God was involved” because the inspiration of Muhammad comes from men, not God.
 
inJESUS said:
An example might help. If a man told you " i worship the One God, one Creator of heaven and earth, His name is Hanola and lives on a different planet ", what will you tell him? there are 2 parts to his belief, the first correct, the second wrong.

In other words, this man does indeed believe in the One creator (since there is one anyway) but has no clue as to who He is.

Now Muhammad told Muslims there is one God, he named Allah ( word taken from Aramaic), yet he told them God swears by horses, allows desires for married women, asks men to have sex with slaves without marriage, said Muhammad is the best role model, and claimed Jesus appeared to be crucified.

Obviously, these teachings are not from God, but Muhammad claimed they are from the one God which means Muslims think/claim they worship God, but actually are following Muhammad’s words.

In this sense, we cannot tell them no, you do not worship God, because they believe they do but we can say they are not following the teachings of the One God.
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yeah, I agree, so in so many words, muslims believe in the God of Abraham, but submit themselves to the teachings of Mohammed? Did I say anything that contradicts that?
 
inJESUS said:
i can understand your argument but it can apply to many things so maybe we must not enter such arguments as “maybe God was involved, maybe not” and remember that Jesus warned against false prophets…when He warns, it means beware, it does not mean you must justify their lies in the name of “maybe God was involved” because the inspiration of Muhammad comes from men, not God.
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actually the inspiration of Muhammad comes strictly from the devil. But I see what you mean. Jesus did warn us about false prophets, and Musilms fell in the trap. However, this is why I believe God worked mysteriously through Muhammad so muslims can still have a way to achieve salvation, through praying, fasting, and ect.
 
R_not said:
Nope, no 10 Commandments - only mohammed’s versions of what to do and what not to do.

Your arguments that both these musim have murdered people is rather weird. No, they do not, but they both have supported hamas who have killed more muslims than any other. Who have hided behind children and caused their deaths, and who have lobbed bombs into Israel on a daily basis since 2005. Over 6,000 bombs lobbed.

They have probably both given to islamic charities (you can ask them yourself) and as we have found out they send their money to jihadists who fight in the cause of allah.

If you would do your own studying instead of taking muslim’s words for it maybe you will find out the truth.

Yes, the koran is hard to read - and I will admit it too me a long time to get through because there is no logical order to it. sister amy even at one point said she didn’t follow the hadiths which is totally inane since their sharia laws, sunnah and mohammed’s life is based on those. But, many muslims don’t read their own texts and threaten us when we do and find how abhorrent it is.

The koran is quite often the ramblings of a megalomanic, narcissist.

Reading the Bible probably wouldn’t hurt you either if you want to make yourself into a better resource and to discuss better than you have been discussing.

Reading the koran won’t convert anyone either. Any sane person who does read it couldn’t be converted by it. It made my faith in Jesus more strong.
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I suppose you are right in a lot of things you say. But are you against insisting that Islam dosent preach about peace at all? Why arnt Muslim Woman and Sister Amy terrorists if it dosen`t?
 
I’vr encountered on the net many muslims who claimed to be Christians, and Benjamin is surely not one of them. No Muslim will ever state the Christian faith without thinking he’s commiting the unforgiveable sin as per Muhammad.
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
I suppose you are right in a lot of things you say. But are you against insisting that Islam dosent preach about peace at all? Why arnt Muslim Woman and Sister Amy terrorists if it dosen`t?
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both are individual believers, taking the faith on its individualistic level. However, Islam is not an individualistic faith, it is an ideology and it is Islamic ideologies that lead to terrorism, not the food they abstain from.
 
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