Catholics need to submit themselves to Allah

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inJESUS said:
Actually the matter is rather simple, and i don’t understand why many do not grasp it fully. Muslims say they worship the One, the creator they name Allah. If we say, this Allah (creator) is not God (Creator), it means we are saying there are 2 creators, Allah and God when in fact there is only One God, whether you call it Allah, Aloho , Dieu or whatever other name. This does not mean that we worship Allah who swears by horses or Allah who condones adultry or Allah who doesn’t know Christianity…in other words, we do not worship God/Allah as taught by Muhammad, and the word Allah is simply a word like God to Arab Christians, nothing less nothing more. I can understand an Arab Christian using this word, after all Arabic is in debt to other languages, and the word Allah is no exception, but i wouldn’t expect a non-Arab to use it simply because it is supposed to be alien to his language.
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I agree.
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
They worship the God of Abraham, and they believe the God of Abraham dicated the Koran. Im not saying God did, but its what they believe. Again, youre not contradicting anything I said exept for your last statement.

I will submit to Allah, and I do. because Jesus is Allah:)

“We all worship the same God” John Paul II;)
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Their believing that the God of Abraham dictated the Quran does not make it so!

Vickie
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
The Pope didn`t overstep NO BOUNDRIES. Remember, when the Saint. John Paul II got shot by a Muslim, he was in a hospital with the Blessed Virgin comforting him, while people like you man… were reading anti-Islam sites. This is why John Paul II kissed the Koran while you highlight the satanic verses. The big difference is: John Paul II acknowledged all of us being children of Allah, while you believe in conspiracy theories. You need to stop that, and think above that. Because us Christians can not behave the way Mohammad-likes do, rather become true Muslims and submit ourselves to Jesus Christ who is Allah!👍

Also, I didn*t back up any assertions because I don`t have any. I wasnt saying we have similar teachings, but we have a similar belief in the God of Abraham. Thats all.
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Once again - No they do not believe in the same God of Abraham. God is usually referred to as the God of Israel - not of Abraham.

And SUBMISSION IS NOT the word of the Bible. It is to love God OUR FATHER - NOT to love God like a slave to a slavemaster.

And when someone doesn’t find out the truth, then shame on that person. No, I will not take the Pope’s word about islam because after I found out the truth about islam - I found out that the Pope has not done any research on islam.

It would be like taking the Pope’s word on Economics, or Politics. They can dabble in it themselves and suggest - but they are not the final authority and it is not a sin for anyone else to find out the correct way to do things in those areas. It is NOT A SIN TO KNOW ISLAM AND TO DISAGREE WITH THE POPE ON IT. But, it is a sin to worship another God and once again - the Bible has in it many, many passages warning us not to worship the sun, MOON or stars.

If the Pope, or his helpers, did any research they would find out the obvious too - that allah is nothing but a moon god and mohammed combined.

here is my previous post on it:
We are not Arabs, Christianity nor Judaism, originated in Arabia and allah does not equal God.
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The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god
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Deut. 4:19 And when you look up to the heavens and behold the sun or the moon or any star among the heavenly hosts, do not be led astray into adoring them and serving hem. These the Lord, your God has let fall to the lot of all other nations under the heavens.
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Deut. 17:3 …by serving other gods, or by worshiping the sun or the moon or any of he host of the sky, against my command.
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II Kngs. 21:3,5; II Kngs. 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5
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And this allah is nothing but a combination of mohammed’s moon god made worse because it became mohammed himself. It degenerated as mohammed degenerated through the years after mohammed thought up islam. We see that in the progression of the weaker Meccan surahs that were abrogated with the stronger Medina violent surahs.
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If mohammed would have left the moon god as it was it would have stayed relatively benign and the people would not have become murderers for a god, or supported such murdering behaviors.
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R_not said:
Once again - No they do not believe in the same God of Abraham. God is usually referred to as the God of Israel - not of Abraham.

And SUBMISSION IS NOT the word of the Bible. It is to love God OUR FATHER - NOT to love God like a slave to a slavemaster.

And when someone doesn’t find out the truth, then shame on that person. No, I will not take the Pope’s word about islam because after I found out the truth about islam - I found out that the Pope has not done any research on islam.

It would be like taking the Pope’s word on Economics, or Politics. They can dabble in it themselves and suggest - but they are not the final authority and it is not a sin for anyone else to find out the correct way to do things in those areas. It is NOT A SIN TO KNOW ISLAM AND TO DISAGREE WITH THE POPE ON IT. But, it is a sin to worship another God and once again - the Bible has in it many, many passages warning us not to worship the sun, MOON or stars.

If the Pope, or his helpers, did any research they would find out the obvious too - that allah is nothing but a moon god and mohammed combined.

here is my previous post on it:
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Have you ever asked a muslim if they worship a moon god? if they say no, are you insisting they are lying even among themselves? Thats silly, and just another conspiracy.
 
inJESUS said:
Actually the matter is rather simple, and i don’t understand why many do not grasp it fully. Muslims say they worship the One, the creator they name Allah. If we say, this Allah (creator) is not God (Creator), it means we are saying there are 2 creators, Allah and God when in fact there is only One God, whether you call it Allah, Aloho , Dieu or whatever other name. This does not mean that we worship Allah who swears by horses or Allah who condones adultry or Allah who doesn’t know Christianity…in other words, we do not worship God/Allah as taught by Muhammad, and the word Allah is simply a word like God to Arab Christians, nothing less nothing more. I can understand an Arab Christian using this word, after all Arabic is in debt to other languages, and the word Allah is no exception, but i wouldn’t expect a non-Arab to use it simply because it is supposed to be alien to his language.
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Muslims say a lot of things. I don’t agree with your stating that if we say they worship a different god, we’re saying that there are two creators. No god dictated the Quran. They follow the commands of whoever did, Muhammad or a demon, so their saying that they worship the God of Abraham does not make it so.

Vickie
 
Booklover said:
Muslims say a lot of things. I don’t agree with your stating that if we say they worship a different god, we’re saying that there are two creators. No god dictated the Quran. They follow the commands of whoever did, Muhammad or a demon, so their saying that they worship the God of Abraham does not make it so.

Vickie
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there is no truth in the koran at all? really? So I guess Jesus being miracoulous concived is a muslim lie? Think about what you´re saying.
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
there is no truth in the koran at all? really? So I guess Jesus being miracoulous concived is a muslim lie? Think about what you´re saying.
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Wow! You’re getting desperate! Were the Muslims the first to claim that Jesus’ birth was miraculous? :rolleyes: Whatever truth is in the Quran, was borrowed by Muhammad from previous scriptures.

Vickie
 
Booklover said:
Wow! You’re getting desperate! Were the Muslims the first to claim that Jesus’ birth was miraculous? :rolleyes: Whatever truth is in the Quran, was borrowed by Muhammad from previous scriptures.

Vickie
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okay then, at least we can say what God dicated in other scripture is also in the Koran. 😃
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
Have you ever asked a muslim if they worship a moon god? if they say no, are you insisting they are lying even among themselves? Thats silly, and just another conspiracy.
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The problem is in what they “think” they are worshiping. They “think” they worship the God of Abraham, but that is an impossibility. You shall know them by their fruit.

Hows this for conspiracy? I believe there are people who call themselves Christians but are in reality muslims trying to undermine Christianity by equating what we do to muslim practices. Going so far as to say we worship the same God they do and we are the true muslims. Once that is an accepted practice, they can turn on us and say we need to worship allah alone and not call him Jesus any more. And we must submit since the saints submitted as well.

As I said before, trying to convince Catholics that allah is the same as God the Father or Jesus or the Holy Spirit, and that since the saints “submitted”, does nothing but confuse the issue.
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
why do some people keep sayings things like Allah is not God. Did you not know that Allah is jut another name for God? Even Jesus calls His Father Allah in various Bibles in a different language. I dont get when Catholics on this site keep stating Allah is not God. I can comprehend why a lot of you are unwilling to justify Mohammeds actions, but saying that Muslims worship another God is just bogus to me. Even John Paull II said we all worship the **same** God in front of a Muslim crowd. So whats the deal with that? Only Because Mohammed used the name of Allah to get away with sinful acts, dosent mean other peacful Moslems do the same. They just dont know better. They are Moslems because they have been brought up that way.

I am basically saying that Jews and Muslims worship the Father of Jesus, and I don`t think its fair for anybody else to deny that.

May God Bless all of you.
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Us Catholics do not worship Allah and never will. Why don’t Muslims submit to God instead of Allah. Muslims deny the trinity alltogether therfore we do not worship the same God
 
I think God gets the last laugh because whatever “moon god” or entity Muhammad and Satan concocted or planned to concoct back then, it has since morphed into Muslims worshipping one God, the Almighty. I would venture to say that most modern-day Muslims don’t know/understand the origins of Islam with regard to the moon-god and his daughters etc. They all think they are worshipping God.

(It’s also the same concept as the non-Catholics saying that Catholics worship Blessed Mother. We know we don’t, but they will argue to high Heaven otherwise. (There’s even multiple threads on it.) We can argue that Muslims worship a moon-god, but they say they don’t. Same principle.)

That’s not to say that the moon-god concept is not how Islam started out. But, I don’t think the moon-god worship is not what Islam is today.
 
Jay53 said:
I think God gets the last laugh because whatever “moon god” or entity Muhammad and Satan concocted or planned to concoct back then, it has since morphed into Muslims worshipping one God, the Almighty. I would venture to say that most modern-day Muslims don’t know/understand the origins of Islam with regard to the moon-god and his daughters etc. They all think they are worshipping God.

(It’s also the same concept as the non-Catholics saying that Catholics worship Blessed Mother. We know we don’t, but they will argue to high Heaven otherwise. (There’s even multiple threads on it.) We can argue that Muslims worship a moon-god, but they say they don’t. Same principle.)

That’s not to say that the moon-god concept is not how Islam started out. But, I don’t think the moon-god worship is not what Islam is today.
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I think that too. God will get the last laugh because it was the Holy Spirit that intervened with Mohammeds false teaching. Thus creating enough room in Islamic doctrine to be filled with Holy Teachings. Such as the Birth of Jesus, respecting Him, honoring His Blessed Mother, Fasting and ecetera.
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
I am basically saying that Jews and Muslims worship the Father of Jesus, and I don`t think its fair for anybody else to deny that.
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Be that as it may…theologically, however…in a reality that exists, the “muslims” do not worship the same God as Jews as Christians. They, the muslims, worship the koran and mohammed. They ravage their religion and feed the fires of hatred and violence, even amongst themselves.

Allah of the muslims is not the same as the God of Christians and Hebrews, this is proven by the fact that nothing in the Bible exhorts the Christian or Hebrew to ravage, murder, pillage, ransom or tax anyone who believes differently.

While it is possible on some level that Allah and God are one in the same…it is muslims and mohammed who have made them different.

Personally, I refuse to believe that the God I believe in as a Catholic Christian changed His mind in the year 610 AD and commissioned a new “prophet” to render asunder the very Word that He sent to mankind in the form of His Son, our Saviour!

Perhaps you and others would benefit from reading the information on this site bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm and learning the truth.
May God Bless all of you.
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And you as well!
 
MHalsey said:
The problem is in what they “think” they are worshiping. They “think” they worship the God of Abraham, but that is an impossibility. You shall know them by their fruit.

Hows this for conspiracy? I believe there are people who call themselves Christians but are in reality muslims trying to undermine Christianity by equating what we do to muslim practices. Going so far as to say we worship the same God they do and we are the true muslims. Once that is an accepted practice, they can turn on us and say we need to worship allah alone and not call him Jesus any more. And we must submit since the saints submitted as well.

As I said before, trying to convince Catholics that allah is the same as God the Father or Jesus or the Holy Spirit, and that since the saints “submitted”, does nothing but confuse the issue.
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They “think” they believe in something that isnt true??? If I say I believe in Jesus I dont think I believe in Him, I really do BELIVE IN HIM…
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
😃

to some degree…yes. This is why John Paul II kissed it:)

May Allah grant him enternal happiness
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I take it you haven’t read any of John Paul II’s writings on Islam then.

He did so out of respect to muslims, who themselves believe their allah is YHWH (though allah is not). He did so because mohammet was clever enough to include some universal Truths amongst the bile and filth of his qur’an and his filthy life.

He did so, as does Pope Benedict, because we must love the sinner and not the sin.
 
chrisse said:
I take it you haven’t read any of John Paul II’s writings on Islam then.

He did so out of respect to muslims, who themselves believe their allah is YHWH (though allah is not). He did so because mohammet was clever enough to include some universal Truths amongst the bile and filth of his qur’an and his filthy life.

He did so, as does Pope Benedict, because we must love the sinner and not the sin.
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so when he said “we all worship the same God” he was respecting them by lying to them??
 
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