Catholics only: Do you hate homosexual sex acts (as we are obliged to)?

[fix]

If it is showing love behind closed doors in a physical, sexual way, then the privacy of the bedroom comes in. Like everyone else, what goes on in the bedroom stays in the bedroom.

So, God and His morality are excluded from this one room. Where else?

Where do the commandments speak about same-gender preference people?

#6

Which factors define us? It varies by person of course. A deep spiritual connection (prayer, rosary) and using your gifts in the world (helping others) are high on the list. Sexual preference has no relation to these factors in a persons character.

Your list comes from where? It seems to contradict what Jesus has told us through His Church and Scriptures. Why should we disregard all that?

 

[fix]

I disagree, this is not an “infallible” teaching (ex cathadra) and under much discussion by many parts at all levels of the Church. To view what is seen as an act of human love towards one another is being used here as a way to divide and exclude.

Not infallible?

 

[estesbob]

Not infallible?

The question, of course, is how can something that has been a sin for 4,000 years suddenly not be a sin? Does everyone who commited this sin and did not repent suddenly get a "get out hell free card"or has God allowed mankind and his Church to be wrong about this all these years???

 

[fix]

The question, of course, is how can something that has been a sin for 4,000 years suddenly not be a sin? Does everyone who commited this sin and did not repent suddenly get a "get out hell free card"or has God allowed mankind and his Church to be wrong about this all these years???

I am tempted to ask if arson is defined as infallible or genocide?

 

[rboo124]

The question, of course, is how can something that has been a sin for 4,000 years suddenly not be a sin? Does everyone who commited this sin and did not repent suddenly get a "get out hell free card"or has God allowed mankind and his Church to be wrong about this all these years???

I agree…and held this as my foundation on another forum regarding people blaming the Pope for AIDS in Africa. Their opinion is, the Pope is literally RESPONSIBLE for AIDS in Africa because of the Catholic Church’s position on condoms.

Obviously, if people remained celibate, or practiced monogamy within marriage, that would be much more effective against apreading AIDS than condoms. They expect that because AIDS is now an epidemic, the Pope should reverse the Church’s outlook on condom use. By not doing so, the Pope is being accused of being ‘responsible’ for AIDS. Rather ridiculous.

However…and this is more of a question, but perhaps of the ‘challenge’ type…did it not used to be a sin for Catholics to eat meat on ANY Friday? Now, it is only a sin if it is done so during Lent. Is this accurate? If so, then what WAS considered a sin is NOW not considered a sin.

Curious…

 

[Pug]

If so, then what WAS considered a sin is NOW not considered a sin.

Curious…

rboo,

What you are describing is like what are called Holy Days of Obligation. It is a sin to skip mass on those days, and those days vary by country and century. It is something that can change with time. What remains the same, however, is that you must follow what the Church/bishop sets as the special days. Which days are special can be changed, somewhat. Which days bind under pain of sin can change. OTOH, something that is a basic moral evil will remain so.

 

[fix]

did it not used to be a sin for Catholics to eat meat on ANY Friday? Now, it is only a sin if it is done so during Lent. Is this accurate? If so, then what WAS considered a sin is NOW not considered a sin.

Curious…

Church disciplines will change as needed. They bind when in effect. The moral law never changes.

 

[BrianK2007]

Hypocrisy is the sin I try the hardest to avoid. That said, I am a sinner, I was born a sinner and I’m sure I’ll die a sinner. Most of the sins I commit I enjoy. I wish it was not so easy for me to sin, I wish I didn’t have temptation, but I do. I don’t hate the sin of homosexuality, I’m unhappy about the fact that it is a sin.

I can’t say I hate the sin. I can say I hate the temptation.

 

[estesbob]

IHowever…and this is more of a question, but perhaps of the ‘challenge’ type…did it not used to be a sin for Catholics to eat meat on ANY Friday? Now, it is only a sin if it is done so during Lent. Is this accurate? If so, then what WAS considered a sin is NOW not considered a sin.

Curious…

The sin was not eating meat. The sin wasdisobeying the clear directions of the Church. Rejectng the Authority of the Church ia still a sin. always has been a sin always will be.

I think if you were to do some research on what constitutes a mortal sin you would see you analogy is false.

 

[agangbern]

Hypocrisy is the sin I try the hardest to avoid. That said, I am a sinner, I was born a sinner and I’m sure I’ll die a sinner. Most of the sins I commit I enjoy. I wish it was not so easy for me to sin, I wish I didn’t have temptation, but I do. I don’t hate the sin of homosexuality, I’m unhappy about the fact that it is a sin.

I can’t say I hate the sin. I can say I hate the temptation.

Yes, we are all sinners. That is why Jesus came down from heaven and became man so that men may be liberated from sinfulness. Jesus showed us the way to freedom.Freedom may be hard to achieve, but it is no reason to surrender.
Let me share with you the following:

"*[You are](http://marilee.us/desiderata.html)* *a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams; it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy."*

 

[D317]

The sin was not eating meat. The sin wasdisobeying the clear directions of the Church. Rejectng the Authority of the Church ia still a sin. always has been a sin always will be.

I think if you were to do some research on what constitutes a mortal sin you would see you analogy is false.

We must either abstain from meat on ALL Fridays, or perform another act of penance [Lent is required abstain]. This has really not changed.

 

[agangbern]

So the only ones I really struggle with are the “acts of affection” I mentioned earlier. Is a kiss between two men a beautiful cultural expression or is it a homosexual act? It doesn’t violate the design, but it may or may not mimic a holy act.

“Acts of affection” like that may not be a homosexual act at all, depending on what is in the heart of the persons doing it. God alone knows what is in their hearts. If it is coupled with a sexual desire for the same gender, then obviously, it is a homosexual act.And sexual desire for the same gender violates God’s original design for man. Such kind of desire is “contrary to the eternal law” and therefore a sin.

 

[Markstorm]

Yes, we are all sinners. That is why Jesus came down from heaven and became man so that men may be liberated from sinfulness. Jesus showed us the way to freedom.Freedom may be hard to achieve, but it is no reason to surrender.
Let me share with you the following:

Let me share with you the following:
Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.
papalencyclicals.net/Bon08/B8unam.htm

 

[estesbob]

Let me share with you the following:
Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.
papalencyclicals.net/Bon08/B8unam.htm

It was true then and its true now.

 

[AndyF]

Yes.

But I disagree with playing up this sin higher than fornication. They both sever one from his last end.

AndyF

 

[Fitswimmer]

Mortal sin is mortal sin-no matter what form it takes. I don’t view any mortal sin as any worse than any other. Catholics are to have a hatred of mortal sin-not a hatred of one specific mortal sin.

 

[estesbob]

Yes.

But I disagree with playing up this sin higher than fornication. They both sever one from his last end.

AndyF

I wonder why so many people have to add this caveat when talking about homosexual behavior?

 

[goofyjim]

I wonder why so many people have to add this caveat when talking about homosexual behavior?

Maybe it’s because so many people make homosexual behavior worse than the other two, which it isn’t. You just don’t get it, do you? There are untold number of threads complaining about homosexuals, even those who don’t act on it, yet I don’t see any thread to start picking on fornicators and adulterers, which are equal offenses. No, they just hide behind the scenes and continue doing what they are doing. Sometimes that is a worse way of going about things, when you believe that noone is taking notice.

 

[estesbob]

Maybe it’s because so many people make homosexual behavior worse than the other two, which it isn’t. You just don’t get it, do you? There are untold number of threads complaining about homosexuals, even those who don’t act on it, yet I don’t see any thread to start picking on fornicators and adulterers, which are equal offenses. No, they just hide behind the scenes and continue doing what they are doing. Sometimes that is a worse way of going about things, when you believe that noone is taking notice.

How many threads to you see where people claimed fornication and adultery are perfectly okay? How many adultery pride parades do you see?

The reason there are so many threads on on homosexuality is because there are so many people who claim it is not sinful. We just don’t see that wih adultery.

 

[CarrieH]

I don’t hate homosexual acts any more or less than I hate any other mortal sin. Truthfully, I don’t give the details of those acts much thought at all. I have enough of sins of my own to concentrate on without dwelling on the sins of others.