Catholics; tell me the wrongs in my protestant church!

[happyconvert]

I love the way in which you avoid the material that I present. It has all of the earmarks of, “How dare you question my faith?” I am sure that the scribes and Pharisees thought the same way. We all know what Christ thought of this.

Look around you. Evaluate what I have written. The Protestant faith contains all kinds of Bibles, doctrines and beliefs. Everyone proclaims, that their faith is the right one, and all others are in ‘darkness’. I have attended many churches (including the Catholic faith). I have discussed many topics/scriptures with many different ‘teachers’ of many one-God faiths. You have no idea, how much ‘teaching/Bible studies’ are mere ‘jangling’. The majority do not really understand the scriptures, nor do they care. They simply follow their crowd (whatever this entails). We are dealing with spiritual life and death. We are going to be judged against what Christ has witnessed. We are without excuses. We will not be going before God as a ‘congregation’, but rather, as an individual.

You find exception to what I write, and yet, are these things not written in the scriptures? If you deny what I write, are you not denying the Word of God…and God is The Word?

“How dare you question my faith?” Those are your words - not mine. I know that Protestants question the Catholic faith. I grew up in a Methodist church and considered myself to be a Protestant. I did not know what the Catholic Church was all about. All I ever heard about it was that it was bad, and people saying things like “they worship statues and Mary”. But I could never understand why there were so many Protestant denominations with each one considering itself as being correct and thinking other denominations were incorrect in their doctrines. This confused me.

I am no longer confused. I wanted to know the Truth. I don’t claim to have all the answers, but I know the One who does have them and His name is Jesus Christ. I became Catholic in an unusual way. First I prayed the sinner’s prayer and asked Jesus to come into my heart and my life after watching a Protestant program on television. Then I joined the Catholic Church through an RCIA (Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults) program. The reason I chose the Catholic Church was because I married a Catholic man, went to a Catholic church with him for over 12 years and never saw anything that offended me, and I learned that the Bible came to being through the Catholic Church. I also felt that I could trust the Church that has existed ever since Jesus started it after telling Peter “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Mt 16:18

I became Catholic in 1991 and I have never once regretted that decision, and I am sure I never will regret it. I am thankful to be “home” in the Roman Catholic Church.

Your questions about the Saints show that you are probably not aware of the process of a papal canonization of a saint. You may want to learn about that. No man knows the heart of another man the way that God knows it, and so the Holy Spirit is involved in the process of canonization big time. You can learn more about it here: catholicism.org/canonizations-beatifications-and-papal-infallibility.html

You mentioned “that the Catholic Church has accumulated great wealth.” The Catholic Church is wealthy indeed in many ways including spiritual wealth. I found a thread with a great answer to this and you can read the answer from LilyM here: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=153704

As I said earlier, I do not know all the answers, but I have faith that God will keep me on the path of righteousness as I follow the teaching and traditions of the Catholic Church that has been leading souls to Jesus for 2000 years.

God Bless

 

[Liraco]

We are told in John, that no man has ever seen ‘The Father’ (or the Holy Ghost…as He really is). There is an error in the scriptures. It also states that no man has ever seen God. Many have seen God. Numbers 12:6 refers to God. We have been told in the Psalms, and in the N/T, that Jesus was seen sitting on the right hand of God. The only way to ‘see this’, is if the person also saw God. In Rev chpt 4 & 5, and later chapters, both are seen by John.

Saying that the inspired word of God isn’t so is quite the claim.
It seems you misunderstand “seeing”. We aren’t able to see God’s true glory with our earthly eyes, even during Jesus’ transfiguration it was only a tiny glimpse of His true glory which we can’t even begin to fathom. It goes beyond the senses and mere seeing.

John’s writings in revelation are what he understood but in no way reflect what he truly saw. You can’t describe infinity with finite and limited words. What is written is for us to comprehend and even then not everything can be completely understood like the Trinity that consists of one being and 3 distinct persons.

Anyone that ‘adds to or deletes from’ the witnessed truth, is guilty of the same crime as Aaron’s two sons.

Tell me then what I should make of your KJV which had quite a bit “deleted” from it (and do recall that it was our catholic Church that decided on the canon of scripture as the scriptures in no place gives us a “table of contents” of what should be in there).

Are you certain that God has also ‘elevated’ these people to the level of Saint? Are you certain that any or all are not guilty of rape, deceit, lies, false prophesy, murder, homosexualism, etc., etc.

Yes, the proof of that is the miracles that happen through their intercession. It’s how God let’s us know with certainty that they are with Him (but the Church is incredibly rigorous to ensure that the miracle isn’t explainable by natural causes to prove its veracity). We are ALSO certain that a lot of them were horrible sinners, because we are ALL sinners. Yet it’s through their life that we see how God’s Grace changes them to become holy people. The reason saints are canonized is to serve as examples of God’s servants to be an inspiration and a beacon to others to follow in their footsteps to get closer to Him and to show that sainthood is indeed possible for the “average joe” (or jane).

You’re completely wrong in thinking that we worship them or idols. A statue of a saint is no different than a picture of a loved family member now gone, and prayer to them is no different than asking you to pray for me or to pray for someone else.

—continued below (because I for one am certainly not ignoring your claims). —

 

[Liraco]

-----continued from above-----

We also see, that the Catholic Church has accumulated great wealth. Many ‘junk items’ have been purchased. Is it not written, that all these things are going to be destroyed by God in the future. Why are these funds/tithes not instead, being used to help the poor? Is this not what they were given to the Church for? Is their purpose not to ‘feed His sheep’? Should they not be used for better ‘Godly’ spiritual and carnal purposes?

All of this that you call “junk” is for the Glory of God. The beautiful and ornate temples we make? Also for the glory of God. Is it really so bad that we use our money to glorify Him? Recall the passage where the woman breaks an expensive perfume bottle to pour on Jesus and the Apostles complain about it not being sold to feed the poor? Read it again and also recall that Jesus said we’ll ALWAYS have the poor. As for the “junk” like all the art the Church has bought, it’s FREE for anyone to view and to help enrich people, while if it was all sold then it’d be in private museums and would cost money to view.

The Church DOES use its money to help the poor, to feed, to aid, to preach the gospel and continue reaching out to more and more people. It’s the one who donates the most to the world!

Suppose the Church sells everything it owned and used every last cent to feed the hungry. What then? After they have eaten, there’s nothing left for the Church to continue helping people because it has no money and will be severely hindered in its goal of preaching the gospel. After eating that food, what have those people really gained? Nothing, just another bite to eat. We are to be good stewards of everything God gives us and that includes money.

Is it not written, that the apostles and disciples were to go forward, and not worry about how they were to be clothed, fed or lodged

I see what you mean and the fact that you’re missing the point. Read the very next line of that same line in Luke 22:35 and see Jesus’ own words:
35 He said to them, “When I sent you forth without a money bag or a sack or sandals, were you in need of anything?” “No, nothing,” they replied.
36 He said to them, "But now one who has a money bag should take it, and likewise a sack, and one who does not have a sword should sell his cloak and buy one.

Which leads me to believe that He first wanted to prove to them that if they trust in Him then they’ll never lack what they need (nothing contradicts the Church here), but that now they should make sure to take things of this world on their path. Is Jesus contradicting Himself? Of course not! He was trying to make a point, which it seems, that you missed.

In charity I urge you to please, realize your stance and ignorance on the facts (humbly accepting the fact that you may be wrong on what you currently hold as true). Also realize that you’re viewing the Church with eyes that are NOT of love, because you only see bad and evil in an institution that does a lot of good DESPITE all the sinners in it.

Jesus came for the sinners, not the righteous, which is why the Church is here to continue His work. If the Church did not accept sinners then how are we staying true to the gospel? I hope that you sincerely consider my words, even if you believe I’m wrong. I will continue praying for you.

May God bless you and enlighten you toward the Truth, Thorwald.

 

[Thorwald]

-----continued from above-----

All of this that you call “junk” is for the Glory of God. The beautiful and ornate temples we make? Also for the glory of God. Is it really so bad that we use our money to glorify Him? Recall the passage where the woman breaks an expensive perfume bottle to pour on Jesus and the Apostles complain about it not being sold to feed the poor? Read it again and also recall that Jesus said we’ll ALWAYS have the poor. As for the “junk” like all the art the Church has bought, it’s FREE for anyone to view and to help enrich people, while if it was all sold then it’d be in private museums and would cost money to view.

The Church DOES use its money to help the poor, to feed, to aid, to preach the gospel and continue reaching out to more and more people. It’s the one who donates the most to the world!

Suppose the Church sells everything it owned and used every last cent to feed the hungry. What then? After they have eaten, there’s nothing left for the Church to continue helping people because it has no money and will be severely hindered in its goal of preaching the gospel. After eating that food, what have those people really gained? Nothing, just another bite to eat. We are to be good stewards of everything God gives us and that includes money.

I see what you mean and the fact that you’re missing the point. Read the very next line of that same line in Luke 22:35 and see Jesus’ own words:
35 He said to them, “When I sent you forth without a money bag or a sack or sandals, were you in need of anything?” “No, nothing,” they replied.
36 He said to them, "But now one who has a money bag should take it, and likewise a sack, and one who does not have a sword should sell his cloak and buy one.

Which leads me to believe that He first wanted to prove to them that if they trust in Him then they’ll never lack what they need (nothing contradicts the Church here), but that now they should make sure to take things of this world on their path. Is Jesus contradicting Himself? Of course not! He was trying to make a point, which it seems, that you missed.

In charity I urge you to please, realize your stance and ignorance on the facts (humbly accepting the fact that you may be wrong on what you currently hold as true). Also realize that you’re viewing the Church with eyes that are NOT of love, because you only see bad and evil in an institution that does a lot of good DESPITE all the sinners in it.

Jesus came for the sinners, not the righteous, which is why the Church is here to continue His work. If the Church did not accept sinners then how are we staying true to the gospel? I hope that you sincerely consider my words, even if you believe I’m wrong. I will continue praying for you.

May God bless you and enlighten you toward the Truth, Thorwald.

You are so blinded by what you call ‘the true Church’, that you have ceased to look to the Word of God, for the truth. All those that give in righteousness to any church, for the purpose(s) that are written in God’s Word, will receive their just rewards. It is what happens to these funds after they are given to the churches, that is in question. If these funds are being used incorrectly, should you not question your church?

You constantly try to measure my postings, against what you are taught in your Catholic Church. I measure your responses, against the Word of God, as I do the Catholic Church. I prefer to follow the Word of God.

 

[Thorwald]

Saying that the inspired word of God isn’t so is quite the claim.
It seems you misunderstand “seeing”. We aren’t able to see God’s true glory with our earthly eyes, even during Jesus’ transfiguration it was only a tiny glimpse of His true glory which we can’t even begin to fathom. It goes beyond the senses and mere seeing.

John’s writings in revelation are what he understood but in no way reflect what he truly saw. You can’t describe infinity with finite and limited words. What is written is for us to comprehend and even then not everything can be completely understood like the Trinity that consists of one being and 3 distinct persons.

Tell me then what I should make of your KJV which had quite a bit “deleted” from it (and do recall that it was our catholic Church that decided on the canon of scripture as the scriptures in no place gives us a “table of contents” of what should be in there).

Yes, the proof of that is the miracles that happen through their intercession. It’s how God let’s us know with certainty that they are with Him (but the Church is incredibly rigorous to ensure that the miracle isn’t explainable by natural causes to prove its veracity). We are ALSO certain that a lot of them were horrible sinners, because we are ALL sinners. Yet it’s through their life that we see how God’s Grace changes them to become holy people. The reason saints are canonized is to serve as examples of God’s servants to be an inspiration and a beacon to others to follow in their footsteps to get closer to Him and to show that sainthood is indeed possible for the “average joe” (or jane).

You’re completely wrong in thinking that we worship them or idols. A statue of a saint is no different than a picture of a loved family member now gone, and prayer to them is no different than asking you to pray for me or to pray for someone else.

—continued below (because I for one am certainly not ignoring your claims). —

You constantly use Catholicism to explain Catholicism. Nice try.

 

[Liraco]

If these funds are being used incorrectly, should you not question your church?

Definitely, and when one finds out, one makes sure to report any abuses. If anyone turns a blind eye to such abuse, that falls on them too. I’ll repeat, the Church certainly does a lot of good with the money it has by doing a LOT of charity work.

You constantly try to measure my postings, against what you are taught in your Catholic Church. I measure your responses, against the Word of God, as I do the Catholic Church.** I prefer to follow the Word of God.**

I don’t believe this as you yourself just admitted to doubting the Word of God (the Bible by saying it was wrong). I’m not blindly following the Catholic Church, I follow it because I see the light it holds.

Thorwald:

You constantly use Catholicism to explain Catholicism. Nice try.

Funny, you’re “bashing” me for using my faith to defend it. Should I be using something else? “You use Christ’s words to defend Christ’s words” is what you’re telling me. Who’s word should I use? A man’s? YOURS? No, I follow God, not a man who claims to know better than God’s revealed Truth (why just you and why 2000 years later?).

You ignored all my responses by this defensive “passive aggressive” attitude. I can only ask you once again to consider my words and I’ll continue praying.
**
I don’t doubt your love of God** for a second, but I honestly believe you’ve been deceived. You said it yourself that you feared you were being deceived, and I think that hunch of yours was correct before you silenced it.

God bless and enlighten you my brother.

 

[Thorwald]

Definitely, and when one finds out, one makes sure to report any abuses. If anyone turns a blind eye to such abuse, that falls on them too. I’ll repeat, the Church certainly does a lot of good with the money it has by doing a LOT of charity work.

I don’t believe this as you yourself just admitted to doubting the Word of God (the Bible by saying it was wrong). I’m not blindly following the Catholic Church, I follow it because I see the light it holds.

Funny, you’re “bashing” me for using my faith to defend it. Should I be using something else? “You use Christ’s words to defend Christ’s words” is what you’re telling me. Who’s word should I use? A man’s? YOURS? No, I follow God, not a man who claims to know better than God’s revealed Truth (why just you and why 2000 years later?).

You ignored all my responses by this defensive “passive aggressive” attitude. I can only ask you once again to consider my words and I’ll continue praying.
**
I don’t doubt your love of God** for a second, but I honestly believe you’ve been deceived. You said it yourself that you feared you were being deceived, and I think that hunch of yours was correct before you silenced it.

God bless and enlighten you my brother.

This is going nowhere. I have given you the reasons for my postings. You somehow turn it around, in an attempt to nullify it, and yet, by doing so, the questions still remain.

I use The Word of God in order to evaluate all that is taught to me by all churches. The scriptures COMMAND US to do so. I do not do this light-heartedly. A great deal of prayer is involved. We are told to compare everything to The Word of God. This is what I do. My visions and dream, are backed up by the scriptures. I have listed the same scriptures, that God taught me to use. You assume that I am naive enough, to believe in and pass on to others, false prophecy. You are in error. You have no idea what all was involved in what I was taught by God. I have not even started to list the various misunderstandings of scripture that man currently has. This ‘training’ took six years of my life. In one night alone, I read through the N/T,twice, COMPLETELY, just to get the proper understanding of one ‘small item’. I am posting on this forum, not for personal reasons, but rather, I am doing what God has asked me to do.

 

[Mannyfit75]

This is going nowhere. I have given you the reasons for my postings. You somehow turn it around, in an attempt to nullify it, and yet, by doing so, the questions still remain.

I use The Word of God in order to evaluate all that is taught to me by all churches. The scriptures COMMAND US to do so. I do not do this light-heartedly. A great deal of prayer is involved. We are told to compare everything to The Word of God. This is what I do. My visions and dream, are backed up by the scriptures. I have listed the same scriptures, that God taught me to use. You assume that I am naive enough, to believe in and pass on to others, false prophecy. You are in error. You have no idea what all was involved in what I was taught by God. I have not even started to list the various misunderstandings of scripture that man currently has. This ‘training’ took six years of my life. In one night alone, I read through the N/T,twice, COMPLETELY, just to get the proper understanding of one ‘small item’. I am posting on this forum, not for personal reasons, but rather, I am doing what God has asked me to do.

Why do you try to refute Catholic Church’s doctrines, devotions, and traditions, with the Bible when in fact it was the Church who put it together in the first place back in the 4th Century?

Your visions and dreams, are just that. Visions. I recalled a certain man who claimed to have visions too. His name was John Smith, the founder of Mormonism.

We very much know what the Truth and He is Jesus Christ. We Catholics here have seen all sorts of arguments about OUR faith. Our faith have been called “Anti-Christian” Anti-Biblical." Far worst, we got nuts like Jack Chick claiming that the Pope is the Antichrist and that Church is the woman who rides the beast.

Our Church have been around since Apostolic times. The only other Church that comes close to us is the Eastern Orthodox. Even though, they are in Schism with us, their ordinations are valid, and they have valid Apostolic Succession. We will not surrender to your claims that our Church teachings false doctrines.

 

[Thorwald]

Why do you try to refute Catholic Church’s doctrines, devotions, and traditions, with the Bible when in fact it was the Church who put it together in the first place back in the 4th Century?

What may have been set up at one time, as being correct and righteous, has now ‘wandered away’ from the truth (The Bible). This was what caused the Protestant Reformation to take place. People realized, that The Word of God was being changed from its original commands. If you truly believe in Christ & God, why do you stray from what Christ has spoken unto us, and witnessed to be true? Why do you follow practices that are not witnessed by Christ, as being righteous. Remember, The Holy Ghost (The Spirit [of] Truth) has witnessed Christ’s teachings. Many of your beliefs/practices, have not been witnessed.

Your visions and dreams, are just that. Visions. I recalled a certain man who claimed to have visions too. His name was John Smith, the founder of Mormonism.

There is a world of difference between my visions and dream, and that proclaimed by Joseph Smith. Mine satisfy Numbers 12:6 and John 14:21-23. Those of Joseph Smith, do not.

We very much know what the Truth and He is Jesus Christ. We Catholics here have seen all sorts of arguments about OUR faith. Our faith have been called “Anti-Christian” Anti-Biblical." Far worst, we got nuts like Jack Chick claiming that the Pope is the Antichrist and that Church is the woman who rides the beast.

Our Church have been around since Apostolic times. The only other Church that comes close to us is the Eastern Orthodox. Even though, they are in Schism with us, their ordinations are valid, and they have valid Apostolic Succession. We will not surrender to your claims that our Church teachings false doctrines.

Maybe it is time that you should listen to what others are telling you. Why is it, that so many find the same faults with your religion? They are all using The Written Word of God, to refute your beliefs. Your original Church may have been around for 2,000 years, but satan has been around much longer. He is well prepared to ‘infiltrate’ and ‘defile’ the righteous. Even the simple chastisement that Christ gave unto Peter (Get thee behind me, satan) should open your eyes. I am sure that Aaron’s two sons did not mean any harm, when they ‘added’ incense to the offering. This did not save them. God still killed them.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Maybe it is time that you should listen to what others are telling you. Why is it, that so many find the same faults with your religion? They are all using The Written Word of God, to refute your beliefs. Your original Church may have been around for 2,000 years, but satan has been around much longer. He is well prepared to ‘infiltrate’ and ‘defile’ the righteous. Even the simple chastisement that Christ gave unto Peter (Get thee behind me, satan) should open your eyes. I am sure that Aaron’s two sons did not mean any harm, when they ‘added’ incense to the offering. This did not save them. God still killed them.

Satan has not infiltrated and defiled the Catholic Church teachings regarding “faith and morals” which cannot changed. Jesus promised us that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I would be a fool to believe Satan have enter the Church and corrupted its teaching. If that were the case were true, then Jesus lied.

All Christians believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Jesus does not lie. When he said the gates of hell shall not prevail against His Church, it shall not. Do you have any idea why the world is very much Anti-Catholic?

Where was support from other Christians when the secular government condemned Pope Benedict XVI for rejecting the use of condom in Africa. The Western media have distorted his speech and made no mention of why the Pope said about condoms. Pope Benedict has previously stressed that the Roman Catholic Church is in the forefront of the battle against Aids. The Vatican encourages sexual abstinence to fight the spread of the disease.

After his election as Pope, Benedict described Aids as a “a cruel epidemic which not only kills but seriously threatens the economic and social stability of the continent”, but reiterated the Vatican ban on the use of condoms.

Indeed, Jesus chastise Peter before his death and resurrection. However, did you fail realized that Peter reconciled to Jesus.

John 21:15-17

15 So when they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Tend My lambs.”

16 He said to him again a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Shepherd My sheep.”

17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.” Jesus said to him, "Tend My sheep.

We remain sinners, and there will always be bad Christians because our nature. Even though, we sin we are called for repentance.

My eyes are open. I have find the numerous erroneous interpretation of Protestantism, and the end result is thousands of Denominations with different set of beliefs. Some Protestant believe in the real presence of Jesus, while others deny it and say it is symbolic. Some believe in Once Saved Always Saved, and some do not. It seem to me the Holy Spirit is teaching a variety of CONFLICTING doctrines.

You know what is worst about the problem with Sola Scriptura. You have Oneness Penecostal who deny the Trinity, which a majority of Christians affirm and believe. The Trinity is a doctrine put together by the Catholic Church in the Council of Nicea in 325 AD.

The Holy Spirit teaches one doctrine, one orthodox Christian belief that does not conflict. I find the consistent teachings of Catholicism concerning faith and morals. Protestantism just continue to split because of their fallacies and false doctrines.

 

[Thorwald]

Satan has not infiltrated and defiled the Catholic Church teachings regarding “faith and morals” which cannot changed. Jesus promised us that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I would be a fool to believe Satan have enter the Church and corrupted its teaching. If that were the case were true, then Jesus lied.

All Christians believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Jesus does not lie. When he said the gates of hell shall not prevail against His Church, it shall not. Do you have any idea why the world is very much Anti-Catholic?

Where was support from other Christians when the secular government condemned Pope Benedict XVI for rejecting the use of condom in Africa. The Western media have distorted his speech and made no mention of why the Pope said about condoms. Pope Benedict has previously stressed that the Roman Catholic Church is in the forefront of the battle against Aids. The Vatican encourages sexual abstinence to fight the spread of the disease.

After his election as Pope, Benedict described Aids as a “a cruel epidemic which not only kills but seriously threatens the economic and social stability of the continent”, but reiterated the Vatican ban on the use of condoms.

Indeed, Jesus chastise Peter before his death and resurrection. However, did you fail realized that Peter reconciled to Jesus.

John 21:15-17

15 So when they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Tend My lambs.”

16 He said to him again a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Shepherd My sheep.”

17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.” Jesus said to him, "Tend My sheep.

We remain sinners, and there will always be bad Christians because our nature. Even though, we sin we are called for repentance.

My eyes are open. I have find the numerous erroneous interpretation of Protestantism, and the end result is thousands of Denominations with different set of beliefs. Some Protestant believe in the real presence of Jesus, while others deny it and say it is symbolic. Some believe in Once Saved Always Saved, and some do not. It seem to me the Holy Spirit is teaching a variety of CONFLICTING doctrines.

You know what is worst about the problem with Sola Scriptura. You have Oneness Penecostal who deny the Trinity, which a majority of Christians affirm and believe. The Trinity is a doctrine put together by the Catholic Church in the Council of Nicea in 325 AD.

The Holy Spirit teaches one doctrine, one orthodox Christian belief that does not conflict. I find the consistent teachings of Catholicism concerning faith and morals. Protestantism just continue to split because of their fallacies and false doctrines.

Here you go again, equating the Catholic Church to ‘His Church’. There is only one Word of God. There are those that follow The Word of God (His Church), and those that do not. Those that follow a ‘changed word’ do not.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Here you go again, equating the Catholic Church to ‘His Church’. There is only one Word of God. There are those that follow The Word of God (His Church), and those that do not. Those that follow a ‘changed word’ do not.

That is according to you! It is rightly called His Church because the Church is the Bride of Christ. Yet, you have yet to produced evidence that the Catholic Church is not the Church founded by Jesus Christ. The only one Word of God is Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ founded ONE Church. The Church is not the only Bride of Christ but it is also the Mystical Body of Jesus Christ. Second, when Saul (before his conversion), Jesus said, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?”

The Catholic Church is historical Christian Church. To say that the Church have fallen away from the Truth, would be like the Church is no longer the Body of Christ. How can you claim authority if you persist that the Catholic Church does not follow the Word of God. We do!

We also eat the Body of Jesus Christ at Mass just as he commandment in John 6:35 and following. We believe what Jesus said and taught. When he said, “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” We believe it. We do not deny Jesus Christ.

How dare you think that we Catholics do not follow the Word of God! Have you ever read the Catechism of the Church to disprove Catholicism, or are you just going by what others told you?

Who gave you the authority to condemned the Catholic Church?

 

[josie_L]

I love the way in which you avoid the material that I present. It has all of the earmarks of, “How dare you question my faith?” I am sure that the scribes and Pharisees thought the same way. We all know what Christ thought of this.

Look around you. Evaluate what I have written. The Protestant faith contains all kinds of Bibles, doctrines and beliefs. Everyone proclaims, that their faith is the right one, and all others are in ‘darkness’. I have attended many churches (including the Catholic faith). I have discussed many topics/scriptures with many different ‘teachers’ of many one-God faiths. You have no idea, how much ‘teaching/Bible studies’ are mere ‘jangling’. The majority do not really understand the scriptures, nor do they care. They simply follow their crowd (whatever this entails). We are dealing with spiritual life and death. We are going to be judged against what Christ has witnessed. We are without excuses. We will not be going before God as a ‘congregation’, but rather, as an individual.

You find exception to what I write, and yet, are these things not written in the scriptures? If you deny what I write, are you not denying the Word of God…and God is The Word?

What is it that you propose apart from stating that all churches have false doctrines that we do, oh “great” Thorwald? Should we do away with all churches and act individually on our faith (loneranger style)?

P.S. I find much exception to what you write as you are not an authority on scripture. Furthermore, you lack the full deposit of faith (Sacred tradition) to render scripture more comprehensable.

 

[josie_L]

I was approached by two Mormon ‘missionaries’. I attended a couple of their ‘church’ services, to see what they ‘were all about’. I was told by them, that they believed that we all were in heaven, before coming to earth (ie. to be born). It was while I was ‘debating’ the truth of this, while sitting on my couch at home, that I experienced my first vision. In the vision, I actually ‘relived my birth’. The Mormons are wrong! Have a nice day.

I think you need to stay away from the dynamite you use (I’m not kidding you).

 

[josie_L]

Why do Roman Catholics insist one must be “infallible” to have a correct understanding scripture? It is fallacious to the core. The whole idea is an abdication of one’s reason. They give up on trying to understand revelation because they feel too inferior to use the resources available. So they crown one guy “infallible” and presto problem solved. Fallacious nonsense. Certainly not the Faith of Fathers nor tradition of the apostles.

P.S. I do confess that many RCs don’t think this way but I often come across the “well my teacher is infallible and yours isn’t so I’m right” mentality. For thinking RCs, these comments aren’t direct towards you.

Yes, it’s so fallacious that the guy I was writing this to believes he’s a prophet.

P.S. Thanks for the “criticism”.

 

[Thorwald]

That is according to you! It is rightly called His Church because the Church is the Bride of Christ. Yet, you have yet to produced evidence that the Catholic Church is not the Church founded by Jesus Christ. The only one Word of God is Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ founded ONE Church. The Church is not the only Bride of Christ but it is also the Mystical Body of Jesus Christ. Second, when Saul (before his conversion), Jesus said, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?”

The Catholic Church is historical Christian Church. To say that the Church have fallen away from the Truth, would be like the Church is no longer the Body of Christ. How can you claim authority if you persist that the Catholic Church does not follow the Word of God. We do!

We also eat the Body of Jesus Christ at Mass just as he commandment in John 6:35 and following. We believe what Jesus said and taught. When he said, “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” We believe it. We do not deny Jesus Christ.

How dare you think that we Catholics do not follow the Word of God! Have you ever read the Catechism of the Church to disprove Catholicism, or are you just going by what others told you?

Who gave you the authority to condemned the Catholic Church?

You ignore all that I have written. You can have the most righteous Bible in the world, but if you add to it, by carrying out some act or words, that are not found in this Bible, you defile the Bible. Since the Word of God IS GOD, you will worship a different god.

 

[josie_L]

You ignore all that I have written. You can have the most righteous Bible in the world, but if you add to it, by carrying out some act or words, that are not found in this Bible, you defile the Bible. Since the Word of God IS GOD, you will worship a different god.

The Bible is not God. The real and living “Word of God” is Jesus Christ.

Edit: And furthermore, a bible cannot be righteous.

 

[Mannyfit75]

You ignore all that I have written. You can have the most righteous Bible in the world, but if you add to it, by carrying out some act or words, that are not found in this Bible, you defile the Bible. Since the Word of God IS GOD, you will worship a different god.

There is only One God. No other God. I did read what you wrote and your writings contain a lot of erroneous statements and opinions you have about the Catholic Church. They are distortions of what you think is the truth.

The Catholic Church added only the 27 NT into the Bible in the Council of Hippo 392, Council of Carthage 396 AD, Council of Carthage again in 416, Council of Florence 1430 AD. Those early list of the Bible included the Deutrocanonical Books. Twenty years after Jesus resurrection and ascension, there have been numerous Gospels roaming around the Roman Empire. The Church could not agree what books were consider Canonical. It was not until a Marcion claimed that all Churches should avoid using the OT. How did the Early Church respond? They condemned Marcion and after this heresy, the Church by the 4 to 5th Century started to compile a list of Books that is consider inspired.

We Catholics believe that God is Triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit but One God, three Divine Persons. What do you believe?

 

[Mannyfit75]

The Bible is not God. The real and living “Word of God” is Jesus Christ.

Thorwald is guilty of Bibliolatry. He thinks the Word of God is the Bible. The Word of God is Jesus.

 

[josie_L]

Thorwald is guilty of Bibliolatry. He thinks the Word of God is the Bible. The Word of God is Jesus.

He even gives the Bible attributes such as “righteous”.