Catholics; tell me the wrongs in my protestant church!

[Thorwald]

Anyone can go to Eucharistic Adoration, who is reverent, respectful of the real presence of our Lord, and Catholic practices. As an n-CC, I’d get permission first, though.
Jon

Permission of any man or church is not a requirement, to read or listen to the Word of God, and then follow it in your life. The Word of God is free to all that seek it. We are to glorify God, not man or [physical] church. If prophets only ‘know in part’, how much less does man know & understand? Churches often put up ‘barriers’ to receiving baptism, etc., that are not set by God. Christ has told us, that He is the light, the door, the way, the truth and the life. Churches have often complicated the Word of God, by adding their own personal interpretations and beliefs, to that which has been given unto us [in purity] by Christ, Himself.

I often wonder what would have become of us, if every prophet, disciple, apostle, missionary and teacher of God’s Word surrounded himself with bullet-proof glass, speaking of his faith in God, but showing that he, himself, had no faith, and valued his earthly life to such a point, that he was unwilling to be sacrificed for God’s sake.

 

[RebeccaJ]

There is no barrier, anyone can walk into any Catholic Church and sit with Jesus, for as long as they like (at least until the doors are locked).

 

[Thorwald]

There is no barrier, anyone can walk into any Catholic Church and sit with Jesus, for as long as they like (at least until the doors are locked).

I can sit with Christ anywhere, at any time, with or without a ‘church’ building. Why do I need a ‘key’ in order to worship God, and pray to Him?

 

[RebeccaJ]

I can sit with Christ anywhere, at any time, with or without a ‘church’ building. Why do I need a ‘key’ in order to worship God, and pray to Him?

All people can do the same. We’re talking about in the Presence of His Body, which is found, in a tabernacle, in a Catholic Church. You don’t have to go there if you don’t want to. Myself, I like to.

 

[Thorwald]

All people can do the same. We’re talking about in the Presence of His Body, which is found, in a tabernacle, in a Catholic Church. You don’t have to go there if you don’t want to. Myself, I like to.

And here I thought, that when I spoke to Christ, He was in the presence of His body. Now I’m confused. What presence is He in, when I speak with Him?

 

[RebeccaJ]

And here I thought, that when I spoke to Christ, He was in the presence of His body. Now I’m confused. What presence is He in, when I speak with Him?

Hi, perhaps you should pick up a catechism and a Bible and read up on the Eucharist. But I sort of have the feeling you already know what we’re talking about, and just want to play with the Catholics. A fun game, but I am tired and need to go to sleep now.

 

[Thorwald]

Hi, perhaps you should pick up a catechism and a Bible and read up on the Eucharist. But I sort of have the feeling you already know what we’re talking about, and just want to play with the Catholics. A fun game, but I am tired and need to go to sleep now.

Perhaps you should read the story of the deaths of Aaron’s two sons, when they ‘added’ incense to a sacrificial offering, because the Lord had not instructed them to do so. I WILL NOT follow ANY beliefs or practices, that are ‘added to’ or ‘deleted from’ the KJV Bible, that I read and follow. We are instructed (per the Word of God), to evaluate what others are teaching us, against The Word of God, in order to see if we are being taught things that are not per His Word. We are to ask for ‘proof’ that these ‘changes’, are in fact, God’s Word. If there is no proof, then we are to take them as being false prophecy.

Remember, The Word of God, IS GOD! If you change His Word, you worship another God. Analyze each and every thing that is taught in the Catholic Church (and many Protestant Churches), and you will see very quickly, the errors being taught. It is each individual’s responsibility to ensure the correctness of his/her beliefs. We all will be judged on this.

 

[LilyM]

Perhaps you should read the story of the deaths of Aaron’s two sons, when they ‘added’ incense to a sacrificial offering, because the Lord had not instructed them to do so. I WILL NOT follow ANY beliefs or practices, that are ‘added to’ or ‘deleted from’ the KJV Bible, that I read and follow. We are instructed (per the Word of God), to evaluate what others are teaching us, against The Word of God, in order to see if we are being taught things that are not per His Word. We are to ask for ‘proof’ that these ‘changes’, are in fact, God’s Word. If there is no proof, then we are to take them as being false prophecy.

Remember, The Word of God, IS GOD! If you change HIs Word, you worship another God. Analyze each and every thing that is taught in the Catholic Church (and many Protestant Churches), and you will see very quickly, the errors being taught. It is each individual’s responsibility to ensure the correctness of his/her beliefs. We all will be judged on this.

The KJV Bible? So God didn’t put in an appearance before 1611 then (if the KJV IS God as you so eloquently put it)?

And does your KJV not contain Christ’s words 'THIS IS MY BODY"?

Note He did not say ‘THIS SYMBOLISES MY BODY’, nor ‘THIS IS STILL BREAD AND WINE, BUT ALSO SOMEHOW KINDA SORTA MY BODY TOO’, but very simply ‘THIS IS MY BODY’ - nothing more, nothing less.

And certainly not ‘THIS IS MY BODY, BUT THEN AGAIN MY BODY IS PRESENT EQUALLY AND JUST THE SAME EVERYWHERE SO IT MAKES NO NEVERMIND’.

Who, hearing and believing these words of Our Lord, would NOT rush to worship His Body present in the Eucharist in a unique way that it is present nowhere else?

And here I thought it was the CHURCH that was the pillar and bulwark of the truth, and the CHURCH to which we are to go when we disagree with our brethren, not a book. :ehh:

 

[Thorwald]

The KJV Bible? So God didn’t put in an appearance before 1611 then (if the KJV IS God as you so eloquently put it)?

And does your KJV not contain Christ’s words 'THIS IS MY BODY"?

Note He did not say ‘THIS SYMBOLISES MY BODY’, nor ‘THIS IS STILL BREAD AND WINE, BUT ALSO SOMEHOW KINDA SORTA MY BODY TOO’, but very simply ‘THIS IS MY BODY’ - nothing more, nothing less.

And certainly not ‘THIS IS MY BODY, BUT THEN AGAIN MY BODY IS PRESENT EQUALLY AND JUST THE SAME EVERYWHERE SO IT MAKES NO NEVERMIND’.

Who, hearing and believing these words of Our Lord, would NOT rush to worship His Body present in the Eucharist in a unique way that it is present nowhere else?

And here I thought it was the CHURCH that was the pillar and bulwark of the truth, and the CHURCH to which we are to go when we disagree with our brethren, not a book. :ehh:

I do not refute the last supper. I refute Catholicism as a ‘unit’ (ie. a rotten apple destroys the whole barrel). The Lord did not refute the carrying out of a sacrificial offering by Aaron and his sons, but rather, refuted the addition of incense, by Aaron’s sons. I hope that you can see the difference. If the practices carried out by any church are not ‘totally’ righteous and correct, then would this certain church not fall into the same category as ‘the adding of incense to an offering’ (per Aaron & his sons)? I am not evaluating this from ‘man’s point of view’, but rather from God’s point of view, using the reference to Aaron and his sons, to make my point.

Catholicism has added the rosary (along with repetitious prayer), and prayers to Mary and ‘dead saints’. Saul was frowned upon by God (The Chronicles) because he used a median and sought wisdom from Samuel, instead of praying directly to God for wisdom. Speaking in Latin, when the congregation does not understand this language, serves no purpose. The scriptures tell us, that if we wish to communicate with God in a language that He understands, this is okay, but we shouldn’t use a language that the congregation doesn’t understand, while they are in church for the purpose of worshipping God. These are just some examples.

Baptism is handled differently in many churches of different Christian faiths, subject to different rules. Baptism was to follow ‘repentance’ per the scriptures. Who changed ‘the rules’, and who authorized them to do so? Many faiths will not baptize a person, unless the person joins their specific church. According to the scriptures, anyone that repents and wishes to be baptized, should be allowed to do so.

The above, are some of the things that I am referring to. Many of the various church practices, are false prophecy. I refuse to follow these types of practices, or attend churches that engage in them.

 

[JonNC]

=Thorwald;5449155]Permission of any man or church is not a requirement, to read or listen to the Word of God, and then follow it in your life. The Word of God is free to all that seek it. We are to glorify God, not man or [physical] church. If prophets only ‘know in part’, how much less does man know & understand? Churches often put up ‘barriers’ to receiving baptism, etc., that are not set by God. Christ has told us, that He is the light, the door, the way, the truth and the life. Churches have often complicated the Word of God, by adding their own personal interpretations and beliefs, to that which has been given unto us [in purity] by Christ, Himself.

Just so my words are not misrepresented, when I spoke of permission, I was speaking of acting with the common and usual courtesy one issues as a guest to a host. As a non-member of a local Catholic parish, I feel it appropriate to seek out the host (priest) before entering a very reverent and special part of their sanctuary. Certainly, common courtesy should not be a pawn in our current disagreements over doctrine.

I often wonder what would have become of us, if every prophet, disciple, apostle, missionary and teacher of God’s Word surrounded himself with bullet-proof glass, speaking of his faith in God, but showing that he, himself, had no faith, and valued his earthly life to such a point, that he was unwilling to be sacrificed for God’s sake.

So that I don’t misrepresent you, are you saying that, even in light of the asassination attempt on John Paul II, that it isn’t prudent for the pope to be properly protected? Are you saying that the popemobile is evidence of a lack of faith?

Jon

 

[Zundrah]

First I just noticed your post count, 1,XXX and you just joined in May, you do have some zeal in you for knowledge. But as far as what’s wrong, I’d rather turn in a different way, there a bits and pieces of truth in all the worlds religions, including your church, but the fullness of God’s revealed truth is found in the Catholic Church. I think it profits more to seek the fullness of truth then to nit pick the errors and doctrinal wrongness of your old church.

Yes I agree with you here (not about me being all knowledgefull though!) - lol.
I have posted quite a lot haven’t I?! I love talking about christ.

The catholic church is traditional and has never changed its beliefs since christ death. The methodist church however, reject the pope, but I never did; I guess that is where I don’t make a very good protestant do I? :blush:

GOD BLESS YOU edyson!

 

[Zundrah]

twopekinguys;5447183]Zundrah,

Hello to you twopekingguys!

I am a little confused about all of your different posts.

I talk to mormons and I argue with catholics. What is cinfusing about that? lol

One you like Catholics, then next you want to get away from their tight grip.

I love the catholic church, but it is full of things that I need to learn and that can be a little too much at times. I just try to stand back and focus on christ and let the rest come in good time.

One you’re against Mormons, the next, you’re talking about going to the temple

Yes, my friend Lydia is a mormon missionary and I have known her for nearly a year now. She is the strongest christian friend I have and we get along great but we also have our disputes over her doctrine vs mine, methodist. She is going to take me to her mormon temple to see what it is like but don’t mistake for me wanting to become mormon! That is just crazy! :whacky:

You realize all of your posts can be seen right?

Of course, I don’t want to hide anything from you all.

I (and I’m sure many others) would like to know where you really stand.

Okay; Where I stand;

Methodist protestant, has left church and joined a Roman Catholic one instead of another denomination…

Are you really Methodist,

YES!

are your really going to RCIA,

YES!

are you still an athiest,

NO!

and just playing with all of us?

…lol

I really hope

So do I…

and pray you are on your way to finding a faith,

…thank you!

and would just like to know where you really stand.

Actually I am sitting… Lol - I am converting to catholicism!

 

[sfl]

The above, are some of the things that I am referring to. Many of the various church practices, are false prophecy. I refuse to follow these types of practices, or attend churches that engage in them.

Thorwald, what exactly are you doing here on this forum?

 

[Thorwald]

So that I don’t misrepresent you, are you saying that, even in light of the asassination attempt on John Paul II, that it isn’t prudent for the pope to be properly protected? Are you saying that the popemobile is evidence of a lack of faith?

Jon

YUP!

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

YUP!

Interesting Thorwald. I wear a bullet proof vest in my line of work but I assure you that it is not due to a lack of faith. I have great faith in that a bullet that goes through my chest will kill me. So much faith in fact that I wish never to put this belief to the test.

God bless

 

[jamesamalaraj]

In my methodist church we only did communion like maybe one or twice every six months! We didn’t even use wine, instead it was grape juice or pomegramate juice. We didn’t even have a special cup, instead we used many plastic disposible cups. There was not even the unleavened, instead it was normal bread…

No confession, no prayer room for you to go in alone… nothing. It was very social but just not enough.

Roman Catholic Church is so much better for you, confession, prayer room; one for christ, one for mary. A place to light a candle in memory of a decese, an eternal prayer or a plea to God, Christ of for a miracle during alot of suffering.

…I have missed out out on all this for so long (I never knew the Catholic faith) I feel sad for those who will not turn to our church for their spiritruality to grow and be nuertured.

Please tell me the other bad things about my denomination to keep me from ever being so stupid as to go back there… or how about other stuff about catholicism that I don’t know about yet?

P.S. I am currently taking RICA classes. :yeah_me: (yay me!)

xXX zundrah XXx/QUOTE

Hi… There are wrong teachings in other denomination. But let us not judge them. Since you have known the truth, praise the lord for it. And love everyone as Jesus did. I praise and thank the Lord for you.

 

[Thorwald]

Interesting Thorwald. I wear a bullet proof vest in my line of work but I assure you that it is not due to a lack of faith. I have great faith in that a bullet that goes through my chest will kill me. So much faith in fact that I wish never to put this belief to the test.

God bless

It is a good thing, that your ‘enemies’ are poor shots, otherwise, you might have received a head wound.

I should have ‘died’ many times in my life, but I was always ‘saved’ from the impending ‘disaster’. I came to realize, that no person, or event, can take my life, until God decides that my time is up. I have no fear of anything in this life, where my life/death is concerned. I am in God’s hands. Let His will be done.

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

It is a good thing, that your ‘enemies’ are poor shots, otherwise, you might have received a head wound.

Yes. That and it is awfully difficult to find bullet proof face masks these days

I should have ‘died’ many times in my life, but I was always ‘saved’ from the impending ‘disaster’. I came to realize, that no person, or event, can take my life, until God decides that my time is up. I have no fear of anything in this life, where my life/death is concerned. I am in God’s hands. Let His will be done.

Do you wear a seat belt when you drive? If so, why? ( and you better not say because its the law )

God bless you

 

[Thorwald]

Thorwald,

Do you wear a seat belt when you drive? If so, why?

God bless you

YUP! I got fined for not wearing one.

 

[Zundrah]

YUP! I got fined for not wearing one.

wwjd?

P.S. How much were you fined?