Catholics; tell me the wrongs in my protestant church!

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Liraco said:
This is completely understandable. Perhaps this will help: we do not bow down to an object in the sense of idolatry. Remember that bowing isnā€™t worship (just like bowing in Japan is done out of courtesy and not worship, and the same goes for bowing to royalty like the Queen of England.) Rather, when you see someone bow down to an image or to a statue, itā€™s simply done as a sign of respect. Why show our respect? Because in the case of saints, looking at their image (if you know their life) can help us recall they example they set forth. Who was this image of?

Having images of the saints is the same as having images of your deceased relatives. You honor their memory, NOT worship them. Unless youā€™re saying that having images of them is bad and should be thrown out when one passes away.

Remember that praying to a saint (asking for prayers for some intention like you would to any person here on Earth) is not the same as praying to God (worship).
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Thank you for this explanation, the bowing thing that they did really scared me! šŸ˜Š
But I can see now. thnx I still will try it next time but I will try to come to church earlier to prayer in the roms he showed me.

It was a cross by the way that they were bowing to (they got right down onto the floor on one knee!). It was the cross that had the book of masses underneath it, the priest was showing it to us. He said that it had not really changed much since jewish times (before christ) with of course the addition of christ in the book now, obviously!

Iā€™m going to try and google my church and show you an image of it if I can! šŸ˜ƒ Thanks again Liraco!

xxx zundrah xxx
 
Zundrah said:
P.S. I am currently taking RICA classes. :yeah_me: (yay me!)

xXX zundrah XXx
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:clapping::dancing::extrahappy:

Thatā€™s so awesome!

BTW, Iā€™m not going to tell you the wrongs of your protestant church. Itā€™s not my place to do so. I WILL tell you the one thing you will have in the Catholic church that you donā€™t have in your protestant church, and that is the Holy Eucharist. There is nothing, NOTHING that compares to that. Being in communion with Christ is all there is. :love:
 
Zundrah said:
In my methodist church we only did communion like maybe one or twice every six months! We didnā€™t even use wine, instead it was grape juice or pomegramate juice. We didnā€™t even have a special cup, instead we used many plastic disposible cups. There was not even the unleavened, instead it was normal breadā€¦

No confession, no prayer room for you to go in aloneā€¦ nothing. It was very social but just not enough.

Roman Catholic Church is so much better for you, confession, prayer room; one for christ, one for mary. A place to light a candle in memory of a decese, an eternal prayer or a plea to God, Christ of for a miracle during alot of suffering.

ā€¦I have missed out out on all this for so long (I never knew the Catholic faith) I feel sad for those who will not turn to our church for their spiritruality to grow and be nuertured.

Please tell me the other bad things about my denomination to keep me from ever being so stupid as to go back thereā€¦ or how about other stuff about catholicism that I donā€™t know about yet?

P.S. I am currently taking RICA classes. :yeah_me: (yay me!)

xXX zundrah XXx
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The most important things that I keep in mind is that Jesus is actually present in the Eucharist. You canā€™t leave that behind!

I was also very convinced by the part of the gospel where Jesus tells Peter that he is building his Church on him and that the gates of Hell shall never prevail against it. Since the Catholic Church comes down from Peter itā€™s pretty clear that itā€™s Christā€™s Church and you really wouldnā€™t want to be anywhere else! Those were the two main things that convinced me that my decision to convert (I was raised Southern Baptist) were right!
 
First up, I havenā€™t read the previous 4 pages of postings, so probably repeating here butā€¦
  1. Welcome home! As one ex-Protestant to another, congratulations, welcome to the fullness of the faith.
  2. Donā€™t be too quick to hate your old church. Itā€™s not what was bad about your old church thatā€™s the issue, but whatā€™s good about the Catholic Church - and whatā€™s good about it is everything because itā€™s the fullness of the truth. There must have been something good about your old church, perhaps its devotion to the Bible, that made you realise you were missing out on something there. Thatā€™s certainly my story, the more I read the Bible, the more I realised there was something missing in my old evangelical church that fell short of the church in the Bible, thatā€™s what lead me to the Catholic faith (along with various other things).
  3. Keep a hold on that devotion to the scriptures that you learned in your Protestant church, youā€™ll find it deepens so much in the fullness of Catholic tradition. Read some of the commentaries on the scriptures by the saints. Practice the Benedictine meditation on the scriptures known as lectio divina. Learn about St John Cassian and the 4 senses of scripture (letā€™s see if I can remember, all scripture has 1- a literal meaning, 2- a moral meaning, 3- a Christological meaning, and 4- an eschatological meaning). The Catholic Church wrote the Bible, and we know how to get the most out of it!
  4. Read about and pray to some of the saints who converted from the Protestant faith - the two that spring immediately to mind are Bl John Henry Newman and St John Ogilvie. St Augustine, who began as a heretic and came back to the Church, is also a good patron.
  5. Cultivate a love for the incarnate Word, present body and blood, soul and divinity in the Blessed Sacrament. Believe me, youā€™ll be hungry for Him by the time you are confirmed and able to receive the Sacrament! RCIAā€™s so worth it! Congratulations again!
 
GodIsGracious said:
:clapping::dancing::extrahappy:

Thatā€™s so awesome!

BTW, Iā€™m not going to tell you the wrongs of your protestant church. Itā€™s not my place to do so. I WILL tell you the one thing you will have in the Catholic church that you donā€™t have in your protestant church, and that is the Holy Eucharist. There is nothing, NOTHING that compares to that. Being in communion with Christ is all there is. :love:
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Iā€™m glad that you are happy because so am I! šŸ˜ƒ I will never leave my Catholic Church now, no matter what happens! ā¤ļø

It feels so good to get a blessing from the priest at communion! šŸ˜ƒ It makes my day!
 
RedSoxWife said:
The most important things that I keep in mind is that Jesus is actually present in the Eucharist. You canā€™t leave that behind!

I was also very convinced by the part of the gospel where Jesus tells Peter that he is building his Church on him and that the gates of Hell shall never prevail against it. Since the Catholic Church comes down from Peter itā€™s pretty clear that itā€™s Christā€™s Church and you really wouldnā€™t want to be anywhere else! Those were the two main things that convinced me that my decision to convert (I was raised Southern Baptist) were right!
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Your absolutely right! :yup: If Christ chose the church, then who am I to reject it!? šŸ˜ƒ

XXX ZUNDRAH XXX
 
Zundrah said:
Mormonsā€¦ :rolleyes: Who needs themā€¦? šŸ˜ƒ lol

P.S What is your churchā€™s name? I love some church names! My one is called ā€œThe Holy Familyā€. My family indeed!
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I am not a member of any specific church. I have attended many (Gospel Church, Faith Chapel, Baptist, yesā€¦and even a Mormon churchā€¦in order to find out, what ā€˜makes it tickā€™). I have also attended Catholic services. I have listened to Billy Graham, and many other preachers, on t.v. The majority of Christian services, are the same, where the teachings of Christ are concerned. They have to be, otherwise, they wouldnā€™t be ā€˜Christianā€™. šŸ™‚
 
Thorwald said:
I am not a member of any specific church. I have attended many (Gospel Church, Faith Chapel, Baptist, yesā€¦and even a Mormon churchā€¦in order to find out, what ā€˜makes it tickā€™). I have also attended Catholic services. I have listened to Billy Graham, and many other preachers, on t.v. The majority of Christian services, are the same, where the teachings of Christ are concerned. They have to be, otherwise, they wouldnā€™t be ā€˜Christianā€™. šŸ™‚
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Have you ever thought of becoming catholic at all? If not then please tell me why. šŸ˜ƒ You sound like a lot of fun but I am sad to say that I think you are lost and you should try to stick to a church, darlingā€¦ It is very good for us to have a church that we can call home! šŸ˜›

xxx zundrah xxx
 
Primox said:
Zundrah, how old are you, if I might ask?
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Are you trying to say that I am immature? ā€¦I have depression so some times I get a bit emotional and other times I get really silly! :whacky: But I donā€™t mean to hurt any one! šŸ˜ƒ
 
Honestly? Because the things you say sometimes seem odd, inconsistent, and a bit juvenile. I was really just curious. Iā€™m glad youā€™re exploring the faith which I also wish to be a part of in full.
 
Zundrah said:
Have you ever thought of becoming catholic at all? If not then please tell me why. šŸ˜ƒ You sound like a lot of fun but I am sad to say that I think you are lost and you should try to stick to a church, darlingā€¦ It is very good for us to have a church that we can call home! šŸ˜›

xxx zundrah xxx
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Over the past six years, I have ā€˜torn apartā€™ the KJV Bible, researched the RC, Protestant, Muslim, Jewish and Orthodox faiths, major historical battles from the helenistic period to current times, and corresponded with many ministers of different ā€˜one-Godā€™ faiths. This also involved a great deal of prayer. I have learned a great deal.

I love and fear God, with all my heart, and put my full trust in Him. He has never let me down. It does not matter to me, which Christian church that I attend, at any one time. My concern lies in obedience to, and patience with, God. I hate no one.

I enjoy this website, and taking part in the various discussions of threads posted. I often ā€˜ruffleā€™ feathers, and smile at the very negative responses that I sometimes (or maybe most times) receive.

Well, take care, and thank you for your responses (I have some accounting work that I have to complete, for a client). šŸ™‚
 
JonNC said:
Just so my words are not misrepresented, when I spoke of permission, I was speaking of acting with the common and usual courtesy one issues as a guest to a host. As a non-member of a local Catholic parish, I feel it appropriate to seek out the host (priest) before entering a very reverent and special part of their sanctuary. Certainly, common courtesy should not be a pawn in our current disagreements over doctrine.

So that I donā€™t misrepresent you, are you saying that, even in light of the asassination attempt on John Paul II, that it isnā€™t prudent for the pope to be properly protected? Are you saying that the popemobile is evidence of a lack of faith?

Jon
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Jon I wasnā€™t going to say anything about his comment (but I had my suspicions) now that I see you thought the same thing too, I can say that his statement does indeed allude to criticism of our popes.
 
Thorwald said:
I understand where you are coming from. I just live my life on the edge, I guess. I really have no fear. I know that God is always with me.

FOR HUMOUR
I am an avid prospector. I once asked two MNDM geologists to visit my mining claims. On my way into the ā€˜showingā€™ with the geologists, I was talking to them as I was leading them down the trail (They were behind me.). I had about 25 sticks of TNT under my left arm, about 10 blasting caps in my left shirt pocket, carrying a 5 gallon mixed gas container in my right hand, and I was puffing on a cigarette while walking and talking. I then asked the geologists a question. I received no answer. I looked back down the trail, and saw the two of them still standing by their truck. I never laughed so hard in my life. šŸ™‚

On another occasion, I had just finished drilling and loading some blast holes. I had noticed that a hunter had built a bear platform in some trees along my trail into the showing. I had just got behind some cover, and was about to set the blast off, when high-powered rifle shots started to come through the trees, close to where I was ā€˜hidingā€™ from the blast. I was not a happy camper. I set my blast off on purpose. Blasted rocks flew everywhere. In less than a minute, I heard a vehicleā€™s doors being slammed by the main road, and the squealing of tires. When I went back to the road, there were two deep grooves in the gravel road, where the hunters took off. šŸ™‚
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Who smokes a cigarette while carrying gas and dynamite, and then somehow states God will take care of them (he gave you a mind so you wouldnā€™t do such stupid things)? And I donā€™t think youā€™re married with children if you can put your life at risk like that and not care how that would hurt the people you love?

Furthermore, your cavalier attitude about your life (and others from what you described) reminds me of when Jesus was in the desert being tempted by the Devil:

ā€œIf you are the Son of the God,ā€ he said, ā€œthrow yourself down. For it is written: He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.ā€

Jesus answered him, ā€œIt is also written: Do not put the Lord your God to the test.ā€
 
josie_L said:
Jon I wasnā€™t going to say anything about his comment (but I had my suspicions) now that I see you thought the same thing too, I can say that his statement does indeed allude to criticism of our popes.
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Josie,
I donā€™t mind someone criticizing the pope. Heck, I do it, Iā€™m Lutheran afterall. However, I would never question his faith. He is without doubt a man of great faith.
Sometimes I am amazed at what I read here.
Jon
 
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