Catholics; tell me the wrongs in my protestant church!

[Primox]

:snowing: :nunchuk:

No hard feelings, Zundrah.
God Bless.

 

[josie_L]

Josie,
I don’t mind someone criticizing the pope. Heck, I do it, I’m Lutheran afterall. However, I would never question his faith. He is without doubt a man of great faith.
Sometimes I am amazed at what I read here.
Jon

I was refering to the criticism he made and to which we know is unfounded (I should have made that clearer).

 

[JonNC]

I was refering to the criticism he made and to which we know is unfounded (I should have made that clearer).

Josie,
I knew what you meant. You were quite clear. I just didn’t want my post to be misinterpreted - again - into meaning we can’t criticize the pope.

That would be odd coming from me. :whacky:

Jon

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

In my methodist church we only did communion like maybe one or twice every six months! We didn’t even use wine, instead it was grape juice or pomegramate juice. We didn’t even have a special cup, instead we used many plastic disposible cups. There was not even the unleavened, instead it was normal bread…

No confession, no prayer room for you to go in alone… nothing. It was very social but just not enough.

Roman Catholic Church is so much better for you, confession, prayer room; one for christ, one for mary. A place to light a candle in memory of a decese, an eternal prayer or a plea to God, Christ of for a miracle during alot of suffering.

…I have missed out out on all this for so long (I never knew the Catholic faith) I feel sad for those who will not turn to our church for their spiritruality to grow and be nuertured.

Please tell me the other bad things about my denomination to keep me from ever being so stupid as to go back there… or how about other stuff about catholicism that I don’t know about yet?

P.S. I am currently taking RICA classes. :yeah_me: (yay me!)

xXX zundrah XXx

Gabriel of 12;

It is not what is wrong with your protestant church the question should be what is missing?

From our Judeo Christian roots of a Covenant relationship with the Father in heaven through his Son Jesus Christ. Without the valid priesthood and sacraments, the New Covenant in Jesus sacrifice once and for all is missing. Christians cannot live without the living covenant relationship with God. This is done by our Oath from the command from Jesus “do this in rememberance of me” when we partake of the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ in his Eucharist when he promised to be “with you always” in his parousia true presence. This parousia is what makes us “Holy” when we partake of his divinity 2Peter 1:4. The renewing of the new covenant in liturgy is how the bible or Word of God is brought to perfection by Jesus “parousia” presence.

It’s not about being overcome with joy and emotion over the enlightenment from the Word of God, The act of the covenant becomes present when both the liturgy from the Word of God proclaimed before the assembly and then lived out in the Liturgy of the Eucharist takes place; when the mysteries of God from eternity become present in time to God’s children, where we call him “Abba Father”.

This is what is missing outside the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church, the renewing of our covenant relationship with our living God at every Mass.

You will learn this from R.C.I.A when you enter the “mystagogy” stage of your True Christian formation.

 

[Liraco]

It was a cross by the way that they were bowing to (they got right down onto the floor on one knee!).

Ah, that makes sense (you had said a picture before.) Was it a simple cross or a crucifix (one with Jesus on it)?

@Thorwald: We can agree to disagree, certainly. Ruffling feathers is fine so long as it’s because of an honest question/reason and not “for the fun of it”. Anyway, I’ll be praying for you to continue in your search for Truth.

 

[Thorwald]

Perhaps Matthew Chapter 7:1-3 would be an appropriate read about now.

I believe one - even the pope - can have faith, and still act prudently and responsibly.

Jon

I know what you believe.

 

[Thorwald]

Jon I wasn’t going to say anything about his comment (but I had my suspicions) now that I see you thought the same thing too, I can say that his statement does indeed allude to criticism of our popes.

YUP!

 

[Thorwald]

Ah, that makes sense (you had said a picture before.) Was it a simple cross or a crucifix (one with Jesus on it)?

@Thorwald: We can agree to disagree, certainly. Ruffling feathers is fine so long as it’s because of an honest question/reason and not “for the fun of it”. Anyway, I’ll be praying for you to continue in your search for Truth.

I have already ‘found’ the truth. I am trying to help you find it too. It is very easy. First, match what you believe, against the written scriptures, and secondly, throw out that which does not fit the scriptures. You will make God very happy. Me,…well…I’m already very happy. Love you.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

In my methodist church we only did communion like maybe one or twice every six months! We didn’t even use wine, instead it was grape juice or pomegramate juice. We didn’t even have a special cup, instead we used many plastic disposible cups. There was not even the unleavened, instead it was normal bread…

No confession, no prayer room for you to go in alone… nothing. It was very social but just not enough.

Roman Catholic Church is so much better for you, confession, prayer room; one for christ, one for mary. A place to light a candle in memory of a decese, an eternal prayer or a plea to God, Christ of for a miracle during alot of suffering.

…I have missed out out on all this for so long (I never knew the Catholic faith) I feel sad for those who will not turn to our church for their spiritruality to grow and be nuertured.

Please tell me the other bad things about my denomination to keep me from ever being so stupid as to go back there… or how about other stuff about catholicism that I don’t know about yet?

P.S. I am currently taking RICA classes. :yeah_me: (yay me!)

xXX zundrah XXx

Why do you want non-validation ?​

FWIW - the initials should be R.C.I.A. As you probably know. RICA looks lilke the sister of RICO

 

[BrianH]

Thanks for all of your discretion in this thread. It is appreciated.

 

[Thorwald]

Who smokes a cigarette while carrying gas and dynamite, and then somehow states God will take care of them (he gave you a mind so you wouldn’t do such stupid things)? And I don’t think you’re married with children if you can put your life at risk like that and not care how that would hurt the people you love?

Furthermore, your cavalier attitude about your life (and others from what you described) reminds me of when Jesus was in the desert being tempted by the Devil:

“If you are the Son of the God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.”

Jesus answered him, “It is also written: Do not put the Lord your God to the test.”

You do not know very much about explosives. TNT (tri-nitrate toluate) is simply nitroglycerene encompassed within ‘food’ products to keep it stable. It will burn in a fire, without exploding. This is how you get rid of old dynamite. The caps are very safe. It takes a concussion to explode dynamite. The new explosives found today, are extremely safe. You can throw them at one another. It won’t explode.

I will be 60 years of age on Oct 9, 2009. I have been married for over 36 years. I have handled dynamite for about 25+ years. I’m still here. I also have one child (a son of 35 years of age).

Never, do I ‘test’ God. I do not do foolish things with dynamite. I also know how far the rocks will fly, based on the rock’s hardness, weight, and fractures. Not one single ‘flying’ piece of rock that I have blasted, has ever hit a person. They just come very close at times. At certain times, it is safer to be within 30 feet of the blast, than 1,000+ feet from it. You have to know the rock, the angle and depth of your drill holes, and the amount of explosives being used.

 

[josie_L]

I have already ‘found’ the truth. I am trying to help you find it too. It is very easy. First, match what you believe, against the written scriptures, and secondly, throw out that which does not fit the scriptures. You will make God very happy. Me,…well…I’m already very happy. Love you.

Scripture is just one part of the deposit of faith, there is also oral tradition which was passed down to us. God bless.

 

[josie_L]

YUP!

You do realize he’s not always in a pope mobile.

Edit: And I rather think that our pope visiting Israel just this past May pretty much signifies that he’s not scared of adversity.

 

[josie_L]

I do not refute the last supper. I refute Catholicism as a ‘unit’ (ie. a rotten apple destroys the whole barrel). The Lord did not refute the carrying out of a sacrificial offering by Aaron and his sons, but rather, refuted the addition of incense, by Aaron’s sons. I hope that you can see the difference. If the practices carried out by any church are not ‘totally’ righteous and correct, then would this certain church not fall into the same category as ‘the adding of incense to an offering’ (per Aaron & his sons)? I am not evaluating this from ‘man’s point of view’, but rather from God’s point of view, using the reference to Aaron and his sons, to make my point.

Catholicism has added the rosary (along with repetitious prayer), and prayers to Mary and ‘dead saints’. Saul was frowned upon by God (The Chronicles) because he used a median and sought wisdom from Samuel, instead of praying directly to God for wisdom. Speaking in Latin, when the congregation does not understand this language, serves no purpose. The scriptures tell us, that if we wish to communicate with God in a language that He understands, this is okay, but we shouldn’t use a language that the congregation doesn’t understand, while they are in church for the purpose of worshipping God. These are just some examples.

Baptism is handled differently in many churches of different Christian faiths, subject to different rules. Baptism was to follow ‘repentance’ per the scriptures. Who changed ‘the rules’, and who authorized them to do so? Many faiths will not baptize a person, unless the person joins their specific church. According to the scriptures, anyone that repents and wishes to be baptized, should be allowed to do so.

The above, are some of the things that I am referring to. Many of the various church practices, are false prophecy. I refuse to follow these types of practices, or attend churches that engage in them.

So you basically think you can interpret the Bible infallibly?

 

[VARC]

Why do Roman Catholics insist one must be “infallible” to have a correct understanding scripture? It is fallacious to the core. The whole idea is an abdication of one’s reason. They give up on trying to understand revelation because they feel too inferior to use the resources available. So they crown one guy “infallible” and presto problem solved. Fallacious nonsense. Certainly not the Faith of Fathers nor tradition of the apostles.

P.S. I do confess that many RCs don’t think this way but I often come across the “well my teacher is infallible and yours isn’t so I’m right” mentality. For thinking RCs, these comments aren’t direct towards you.

 

[LilyM]

Why do Roman Catholics insist one must be “infallible” to have a correct understanding scripture? It is fallacious to the core. The whole idea is an abdication of one’s reason. They give up on trying to understand revelation because they feel too inferior to use the resources available. So they crown one guy “infallible” and presto problem solved. Fallacious nonsense. Certainly not the Faith of Fathers nor tradition of the apostles.

P.S. I do confess that many RCs don’t think this way but I often come across the “well my teacher is infallible and yours isn’t so I’m right” mentality. For thinking RCs, these comments aren’t direct towards you.

No, one doesn’t have to be personally infallible. I hope most Catholics don’t consider themselves personally infallible, and I hope most or all have the correct understanding of scripture.

But one absolutely needs guidance, since as the Ethiopian said to Philip ‘how can I understand unless someone teaches me?’ And Christ PROMISED the Holy Spirit to guide the Apostles into ALL truth - not partial or fallible truth. And did NOT extend this guidance to all believers, which is why Peter warns against private interpretation of scripture.

Getting that guidance from someone who is entirely as likely to be wrong as yourself is truly ‘the blind leading the blind’ as Our Lord said.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

YUP!

Absolutely ridiculous! So if we believe in God we should never lock our doors because God will protect us from robbers? Police shouldn’t have bullet proof vests, no need for car alarms, and what the heck–no more anti-biotics! God has given human beings free will. And with free will you get people who choose to try and assassinate Popes! Should the President of the United States forego having a secret service if he’s a God-fearing man? I can’t believe this?

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

IT’S OKAY, I’M ALSO ANTI - CATHOLIC AT TIMES TOO!

Wow, you are tooooooo kind!

yay

:yup:

Protestants… come to think of it, all of my friends on my friend list are either catholic or moromon! None of them are protestant…

God bless you too!

You’re “anti-Catholic at times” and you’re in the RCIA to become one? Help me out here? Also, Zundrah, just wondering, how old are you?

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Honestly? Because the things you say sometimes seem odd, inconsistent, and a bit juvenile. I was really just curious. I’m glad you’re exploring the faith which I also wish to be a part of in full.

LOL Dang, Primox, you are just keepin’ it real in here! LOL

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Nevermind, I see you’re 21 from Primox’s post. Gotcha…You sounded 16-21 or so…