Catholics that dont like Catholic teaching

[lak611]

I used to think that the teachings of the Catholic Church were a burden, until I actually read the Bible all the way through. There is nothing that the Catholic Church teaches that is not backed up by the Bible. After I read the Bible, I understood what the Lord was really telling me. He has a much higher standard than what the world tells us. We are to be “in the world, but not of the world”. The Holy Spirit showed me that I needed to follow what the Bible says. I gave up a very sinful lifestyle to follow Jesus Christ, after I finally understood why. It doesn’t matter if you are Catholic or Protestant. If you really have faith, then you will be obedient to what our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ tells us.

 

[Linkowski]

Sorry - I was told that I was going to hell so I needed to say something in reply. My point is ‘once saved always saved’ and that is backed up by scripture. The Catholic Chuch does not teach that so why would I support going to a Catholic Church and, in fact, stay? I do not see what I did wrong.

 

[Linkowski]

Do you have a point to make in this reposting of the bible or are you attempting to take up bandwidth space? Is there someway you could sort of condense your intention to a style in which we can know WHT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

You only looked at one of the postings - the other was above that one. You need to read both of them before you assign me to hell which is what you did. Was your assignment based on the truth? Look for yourself at both of my entires, which again, are two in a row.

I was informed that I was breaking rules with the content of my entires but I am not sure what I did wrong. The Church teaches that you can lose your salvation. Based upon the scriptures that I laid out, that teaching is not correct. I think this makes my entires valid. I pray that you would read them prayerfully and thoroughly. Then respond, perhaps in a private reply (tequilamac) to keep it out of this thread.

 

[lak611]

Sorry - I was told that I was going to hell so I needed to say something in reply. My point is ‘once saved always saved’ and that is backed up by scripture. The Catholic Chuch does not teach that so why would I support going to a Catholic Church and, in fact, stay? I do not see what I did wrong.

What does OSAS have to do with this thread? This thread is about Catholics who don’t like Catholic teaching, not about Protestants.

 

[Linkowski]

What does OSAS have to do with this thread? This thread is about Catholics who don’t like Catholic teaching, not about Protestants.

If you look up, it came up in an entry by tequilamac that I was going to hell so I responded. I would still encourage you to read it.

 

[setter]

The Church teaches that you can lose your salvation. Based upon the scriptures that I laid out, that teaching is not correct. I think this makes my entires valid. I pray that you would read them prayerfully and thoroughly. Then respond, perhaps in a private reply (tequilamac) to keep it out of this thread.

At the risk of creating a thread drift, I want to address this Protestant poster’s incomplete biblical presentation of salvation by grace.

While the bible does speak of salvation as a past-tense event, for example: Ephesians 2:8–9: “For by grace you have been saved through faith.”; scripture also speaks of salvation as a present-tense event, for example: Philippians 2:12, St. Paul exhorts believers to “work out your salvation with fear and trembling.” However, scripture also speaks of salvation as a future-tense event, for example: Romans 13:11, “For our salvation is nearer than when we first believed”.

Scripture makes it clear that believers are capable of choosing to neglect and discard the grace of salvation and to risk cutting themselves off from salvation in and through Jesus Christ. For example, John 15: 5-7, “I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever remains in me and I in him will bear much fruit, because without me you can do nothing. Anyone who *does not remain *in me will be thrown out like a branch and people will gather them and throw them into a fire and they will be burned. *If you remain *in me and my words remain in you, …”, and Romans 11: 21-22, “For if God did not spare the natural branches, (perhaps) he will not spare you either. See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, *provided you remain in *his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.”

 

[JonathanKinsman]

Sorry - I was told that I was going to hell so I needed to say something in reply. My point is ‘once saved always saved’ and that is backed up by scripture. The Catholic Chuch does not teach that so why would I support going to a Catholic Church and, in fact, stay? I do not see what I did wrong.

Linkowski, in all fairness you never address replies to your assertions. Check out my address to you at #109: it answers your non-Biblical claim of “once saved, always saved.”

Answer that, please. Then maybe a dialogue will ensue.

Finally, no one said you’re going to hell. Least of all the Catholic Church. You said it. And I hope it was mere hyperbole on your part.

Pax Christi

 

[Damascus]

Dear linkowski, I just checked all the multiple posts you have in this thread and checked the one you keep refering to, and try for the life of me I dont see where anyone sent you to hell, but if you insist on wanting to be there I am sure it can be arranged easily.

 

[tequilamac]

If you look up, it came up in an entry by tequilamac that I was going to hell so I responded. I would still encourage you to read it.

Nope never said that.

 

[Karin]

Damascus, I was taught by nuns that non catholics were in fact going to Hell,

tequilamac…this is the post that refers to certain people going to hell…this post is not yours by the way…

 

[Karin]

If you look up, it came up in an entry by tequilamac that I was going to hell so I responded. I would still encourage you to read it.

tequilamac never stated that…but another poster did…
I think you better be careful of whom you are accusing of these things

 

[tequilamac]

tequilamac never stated that…but another poster did…
I think you better be careful of whom you are accusing of these things

A question about faith alone and sola scripturists. If they cannot even read a short post on CA and interpret it properly, how in the world would we ever be able to trust their judgement about what the Bible says?

 

[Karin]

A question about faith alone and sola scripturists. If they cannot even read a short post on CA and interpret it properly, how in the world would we ever be able to trust their judgement about what the Bible says?

got me…but I figured we had to set the record straight “T”…that you where not the one to blame for the “going to hell comment”

 

[Linkowski]

You are not reading my post very carefully since you are reponding with scriptures that are explained away by those that I have included. The parable of the sower shows that the fourth person bears fruit with patience…now what did you say about the person in John 15??? They did not bear fruit with patience did they. Therefore…they were not born of God…

As far as working out your own salvation with fear and trembling, this has to do with assurance of salvation and not “once saved always saved”. My posting very clearly indicates that once saved always saved…All you have to do is read this one…

1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Are you born of God??? If you are you will persevere. This is what gets me about Catholic Teaching about being born again at baptism…this cannot be the case. If everyone is born again at baptism, then they would all persevere in the faith - but they clearly do not and it makes a mockery of this statement in scripture which clearly indicates that if you are born again, you will have an overcoming faith.

Assurance of salvation is another thing…BUT…we have a helper in 1st John which tells us…

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. {is born: or, has been born}
1Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. {is born: Gr. has been born}
1Jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. {is born: Gr. has been born}
1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jo 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
Ga 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Then it says:

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. (nobody ever seems to care about that verse)

Working out your own salvation can be put right alongside these…

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

Assurance is what God wants us to have and we can have it. AND - once saved always saved. He that hath ears to hear let him hear.

 

[Karin]

what does this have to do with the OP…CATHOLICS THAT DONT LIKE CATHOLIC TEACHING?
please note that the thread is not titled Preotestants that dont like Catholic Teaching.

You are not reading my post very carefully since you are reponding with scriptures that are explained away by those that I have included. The parable of the sower shows that the fourth person bears fruit with patience…now what did you say about the person in John 15??? They did not bear fruit with patience did they. Therefore…they were not born of God…

As far as working out your own salvation with fear and trembling, this has to do with assurance of salvation and not “once saved always saved”. My posting very clearly indicates that once saved always saved…All you have to do is read this one…

1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Are you born of God??? If you are you will persevere. This is what gets me about Catholic Teaching about being born again at baptism…this cannot be the case. If everyone is born again at baptism, then they would all persevere in the faith - but they clearly do not and it makes a mockery of this statement in scripture which clearly indicates that if you are born again, you will have an overcoming faith.

Assurance of salvation is another thing…BUT…we have a helper in 1st John which tells us…

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. {is born: or, has been born}
1Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. {is born: Gr. has been born}
1Jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. {is born: Gr. has been born}
1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jo 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
Ga 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Then it says:

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Working out your own salvation can be put right alongside these…

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

Assurance is what God wants us to have and we can have it. AND - once saved always saved. He that hath ears to hear let him hear.

 

[Linkowski]

Sorry - everyone - I am done. I do not want to get off the subject any longer. But, I would be glad to converse with anyone off-line.

 

[Karianne]

Sorry - I was told that I was going to hell so I needed to say something in reply. My point is ‘once saved always saved’ and that is backed up by scripture. The Catholic Chuch does not teach that so why would I support going to a Catholic Church and, in fact, stay? I do not see what I did wrong.

Link, here’s what I don’t understand. How do the OSAS folks reconcile themselves to the book of James?
If, in your heart, you feel that you are right, why are you here?
Do you want to come back?
If so, come on in. Not everyone is pompous and judgmental.
After all, “I” am there!!!

 

[rpp]

You are quite correct. **Fact is that if you were once Catholic, denied the faith, and joined and then taught a false faith, such as Baptist, and do not repent, then the chances are **you will not achieve Heaven. Sorry but true.
On the other hand, do you have a chance at salvation? The same chance as every other Tom Dick and Harry on the planet yes. And for you, since it was a mortal sin, if you repent with perfect contrition, you will garner higher favor in Heaven than every other Tom, Dick, and Harry.
For you the part that will stick in your craw is the idea that you would have to repent at all.
For other Catholics, what will stick in their craw is that if you do repent, you will be viewed with much higher favor possibly than those who were never tempted to leave.
Either way, both sides, yours and Catholics, will probably cry foul.

If you look up, it came up in an entry by tequilamac that I was going to hell so I responded. I would still encourage you to read it.

Nope never said that.

Linkowski, unless you saw a post which was deleted by a moderator, no one said you were going to Hell.

Tequilamac is correct. The Church has always taught there is no salvation outside the (Catholic) Church. The only chance non-Cahtolics has is if they have not expressly separated themselves from the Church and genuinely seek God through Natural Law and strive to live a moral life. That is a difficult thing to do, but it is remotely possible.

When someone decides to leave the Catholic Church for any reason, they have separated themself from the Catholic Church. That is a rejection of the Church and those people put their eternal soul in great peril.

I would add that I am sure your Baptist Church is wonderful. Sermons there (a generalization) tend to be much more educational and there is much excitement and joy in those churches. Baptists have a reputation for being quite faithful, spiritual and very scripturally based. I would say that many Cathoilc Parishes do not have the consistency of devotion that a typical Baptist church has.

Instead of leaving the Catholic Church, I would invite you back. You may have to look at several different parishes but I am certain you will find a good and faithful one. In additon, there is a tremendous amount of material available for serious Catholics.

Please do not judge then leave the Catholic Church because of how badly fallible people, even bishops, behave. Rather, look at the Church and learn what the Church aspires all people to be.

 

[Linkowski]

By the way, criticizing the messenger does not get anyone anywhere. Just responding to your claim that I will not achieve heaven - which you clearly stated whether or not you want to admit it. It is there in black and orange… That is what got me on this subject in the first place.

I have been praying for you all.

 

[Karin]

If you look up, it came up in an entry by tequilamac that I was going to hell so I responded. I would still encourage you to read it.

I think you missed this…posted it earlier, to help clear the air …tequilamac did not damn you to hell or state that you where going to hell…i suggest that you search the threads to see who really did…I will quote the first sentence of the post for you…I do think that tequilamac is owed an apology for the redicuolus accusations that you threw at him.

Damascus, I was taught by nuns that non catholics were in fact going to Hell,