Catholics who vote for those who kill the innocent are-

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Is the Church willing to help?
What is the Church in your definition? @TheLittleLady
 
You can very easily point out the shortcomings in any person or organization or church. And this includes our Lord Jesus Christ. His shortcomings are pointed out all the time. didn’t do much did he. Supposed savior of mankind dies a criminal’s death without solving any problems. Not very satisfying.

Still, the Church is the largest charitable NGO in the world. Whether that charity satisfies every individual vision of perfection will be another story.
 
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I do not see any short comings in the Divine Savior Jesus the Christ…just in all the people who didn’t follow his teachings---- they had plenty of short and long comings ------sins all over the place…except for the Mother of God and St. Joseph…they just loved, listened and followed Jesus’ teachings. No short comings in them.
 
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I do not see any short comings in the Divine Savior Jesus the Christ…just in all the people who didn’t follow his teachings---- they had plenty of short and long comings ------sins all over the place…except for the Mother of God and St. Joseph…they just loved, listened and followed Jesus’ teachings. No short comings in them.
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Neither do I.
 
As I said at least three other times, I did NOT make the claim that “the church” offers these programs. I am asking the claimant to document their claims.

@JanetF, how do you define the Church in your claim above?
 
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Do it! Pay it. You saved that child.
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Well yes, we can easily accede to extortion. But will it be enough? Woman is pregnant. Give her money for pre-natal and post-natal care. Now maybe she really doesn’t want the child, and sends it off for adoption, then conceives another. This can be repeated. Or she wants to keep the child. Now needs money for food, clothing, shelter. Does it ever end? Is there a place for parental responsibility?
 
JimG said:
Another way to put this proposal is that we give every woman the right to say to the taxpayers: “Give me money or the child dies.”
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No, it would be investing in human life. It sends the message “we care about the welfare of both you and your unborn child.”

Frankly, if you believe in protecting human life and dignity, get ready to pay more in taxes. Just making laws isn’t and will never be enough. A culture of life requires our urgent prayer and changing the materialist culture. It also requires a considerable monetary investment from society.
 
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Yes, I know many people with large families. It requires a great deal of investment, both monetary and personal, yet none of those parents I know of have shifted the investment from themselves to society. Shall we now make a great societal shift to tell all parents that from now on, children are a societal responsibility, not their own?
 
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I did not make the claim, when one makes a claim it is expected they have the proof.
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In all fairness, a lot of claims are based on our own experiences. We do not have those services here either, though I am glad they are elsewhere. Nonetheless, the point remains that politicians should be willing to put their money, or our money, where their mouth is. I simply do not believe those who use abortion as a way of garnering support from the conservatives, and cutting aid to those who are pregnant without support also to gain conservative support.

There is a difference between being anti-abortion, and opposed to legalized abortion. I prefer those who are both.
 
We have already made a great societal shift.

I am the youngest of 11 children, my mother stayed home and took care of all of us, and did “woman’s” work around the house. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Of course she was born in the 20’s during the depression. It was most common back then. Tell a woman that her place is in the home taking care of her children now and, … well we all know the outcome.

Today the number of stay at home mothers is greatly reduced. The number of two parent single marriage households is greatly reduced. The number of annulments and second marriages is greatly increased, inside of our own Church. The number of people actually caring for their elderly parents or living in households with 3 generations is greatly reduced.

Have parents already turned over their responsibility to raise their children to day care centers in exchange for two incomes, or because they are in a single parent household? Have they turned over the responsibility of caring for elderly parents over to nursing homes in exchange for more personal time, or because it is more convenient?

Society was pretty influential in my raising. It didn’t matter who the adult was, if I was doing something wrong, I would get correct by an aunt/uncle, adult friend, or even by a stranger. Today, if anyone tries to correct a child that isn’t their’s there will be a lawsuit.

Yes, there has been a fundamental shift in society on all fronts, especially when it comes to children and elderly and the way they are cared for. Would we be better off turning the clock back 100 years? Some would say yes, some would say no. Where we end up I have no idea, but is certainly isn’t going to be the way it was when I or my parents were raised.
 
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JimG said:
Well yes, we can easily accede to extortion. But will it be enough? Woman is pregnant. Give her money for pre-natal and post-natal care. Now maybe she really doesn’t want the child, and sends it off for adoption, then conceives another. This can be repeated. Or she wants to keep the child. Now needs money for food, clothing, shelter. Does it ever end? Is there a place for parental responsibility?
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It is a question of what you value more. This comes up every election cycle when conservatives trot out the list of “5 non-negotiables”, and progressives are told that no matter how strongly they feel about their other important values - like justice for the poor, environmental stewardship, war, or the corruption of a candidate, none of that can possibly compare and compete with the need to stop abortion. And therefore progressives are supposed to hold their nose and vote for the nominal pro-life candidate and put all their other concerns aside. Well, now conservatives have a chance to show that this principle applies to them too. Here they have on one hand a policy that is against their view on the proper role of government, the unrestrained growth of taxes, and the need to discourage irresponsible women from getting pregnant. On the other hand this policy I have outlined would prevent some abortions. So what’s a conservative to do? Hold their nose and support a policy they abhor for ideological reasons? Or reject that policy along with the lives of the unborn that is might save?
 
I guess there has been quite a societal shift. My father was working in a factory for 25 cents per hour when he got married. They stayed married, had five children, and never asked for government money as a trade for not having an abortion, or for anything else. Yes, both parents worked. The kids all went to college without parental or federal assistance. Yes, that’s probably no longer possible.

Six months after I married, my wife had a medical emergency and was in the hospital for a month. We had no health insurance. The specialist told me that he didn’t work cheap but he was very patient. After the wife recovered, and went back to work, we paid off both the doc and the hospital with monthly payments, because it was our responsibility.

When my dad was in his 80’s he was no longer able to live alone, so we took him into our home because it was our responsibility, not society’s.

So what if society agrees to pay for everyone’s pre and post-natal childbirth expenses? Will that stop abortion? Not likely. Will it stop non-marital sex? Probably not. If federal money could solve all problems, we’d be living in paradise right now.
 
So … if it’s too hot somewhere … it’s got to be someone’s fault?

And giving power to those who “made us aware” of “the crisis” (at best) or
who are knee deep in class warfare … when they have no real power to change the weather … seems like a better idea than “thou shalt not kill”… as the best thing to do?

Good news! Your opportunities for self-improvement are virtually limitless!

“The wind blows where it will, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes …” Jesus John 3:8.

… is an excerpt anout the weather from his message that one must be born again to enter the kingdom of heaven. . . .

Do such people imagine they will be born again when they prioritize their time and strength to back today’s Pharoahs and King Herods in keeping God created children from being born the FIRST time?

Behold I set before you life and death. Choose life thst you may live.

Deuteronomy 30:19

See also Deuteronomy 30:15
 
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Seems like implying democrats continue to support killing of the unborn , are promoting euthenasia of the elderly, handicapped, mentally ill and the those who have any defects physically.
And the Republicans need to work on other areas of social justice… I still think they ( those in your diocese) should lobby and ask republicans and democrats to fast and pray to end abortion, don’t you? @fj2020
 
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We could just tell her that we’ll execute her if she murders her baby. Bet she’d think twice.
 
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