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VanitasVanitatum
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I’m only talking about the politicians when they do something that supports abortion.
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LeafByNiggle
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In that case, I agree.LeafByNiggle:
I’m only talking about the politicians when they do something that supports abortion.
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steve-b
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One has to look first at how the party one belongs to, believes then look at the individual politician. It’s the party platform that controls the party, NOT the individual politician.
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Republican platform “on the issues”
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click on Abortion For full explanation HEREDemocratic platform “on the issues”
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click on Abortion For full explanation HEREPoint being
One party favors life from conception, and runs on that belief, one party favors infanticide and runs on that belief.
Not necessarily. When weighing issues, Catholics are to vote for the party that does the least harm and the most good…
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CaptainPrudeman
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Are you insinuating I’m pro-choice because I’m not voting for the party that pretends to fight abortion laws?Yes. Another God gave us free will (so HE’S pro-choice!) … " and I can use mine in the worst possible way…" post.
keep 'em coming!
One would have to be extremely naïve to not understand what is being talked about.
Doesn’t seem like God is giving guidance. When it comes to the issues I find impactful enough to vote on, I just happen to find climate change more imminently impactful than abortion.
There are legitimate dangers that threaten the planet, even if those dangers aren’t the ones being mentioned now.
I’m not willing to wait and hope nothing happens.…or if we abort the people who could’ve helped find a solution to allow humanity to thrive and prosper, while dealing with a changing climate, whether it’s a natural cycle or man made.
Politics is more complex than just one single issue, and so is our faith. We’re called to be caretakers of human life, yes, but also of the planet we live on. Abortion is abhorrent, and so is runaway destruction of God’s creations. I’m allowed to have different priorities than other Catholics. I will continue to fight abortion with my prayers and my actions as an individual, but I firmly believe that power in the US rightly belongs to those who will take care of this world which those souls saved by women choosing life will be born into.
Besides, American public opinion needs to oppose abortion before the government can. Abortion needs time to become hated. Let that hatred grow while we concentrate on other issues.
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Abortion. I heard no party mentioned…at least until you posted.
Funny that.
One would have to be extremely naïve to not hear God speaking through his church.
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pnewton
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He was speaking from his heart. That is never to be faulted, even if the nuts and bolts of what he said needs tweaking.
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pnewton
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The priest was talking about voting though. We do not vote for platforms or parties, but people, that is individuals, in the United States. I know this is different in other countries, so it might make more sense elsewhere.
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CaptainPrudeman
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You must not have watched the video or read the title then. This is all about voting. I’m not stupid, I know the Democrats support abortion laws. This is about Democrats, and no amount of “WELL TECHNICALLY” is going to change that.
Something tells me that a priest’s personal opinions don’t automatically translate to the words of God.
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Divine3
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This is not about an opinion, its about a Nation that has become deaf and blind to the taking of life of an innocent baby. God says : thou shall not kill, period. Any politician, example governor Andrew Cuomo, who accepts, promotes abortion up to 9 months and is a Catholic is an example of horrific evil and who voted him in…most likely Catholics. At some point justice will come to this Nation and just like all the innocent babies killed, so will faithful, Jews (who truly follow the Torah ),Catholics and any denomination that says abortion is evil will be persecuted.
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Divine3
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Yep, it could happen. Only God knows. @FrancisFan43
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Psychae
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OMGosh. This struck home. But it’s not just the babies anymore, it’s the elderly and anyone who wants to die because of whatever (euthanasia)… and it still doesn’t address the fact that there’s murder / killing promoted by every political candidate who ever advocates war…
Robin Williams said something once about how wars would never happen if women ruled the world; there would just be intense negotiations every 28 days.
Maybe we should give the female half of the human race a chance at running things, and see if things get any better.
Robin Williams said something once about how wars would never happen if women ruled the world; there would just be intense negotiations every 28 days.
Maybe we should give the female half of the human race a chance at running things, and see if things get any better.
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FrancisFan43
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War isn’t your sin, it is Ceaser’s (the government’s). Jesus Himself even told Israel to pay their taxes to Ceaser knowing full well the wars Ceaser has conducted and will conduct in the future. St. Paul’s letter to the Romans even calls Ceaser His servent that administers His wrath on evil doers.
But abortion and euthanasia are laws that the people voted for. We have the power to strike down this evil of child murder yet the people choose not to. By willfuly empowering child murderers you choose to allow child murder in your republic. Same goes for euthanasia.
But abortion and euthanasia are laws that the people voted for. We have the power to strike down this evil of child murder yet the people choose not to. By willfuly empowering child murderers you choose to allow child murder in your republic. Same goes for euthanasia.
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CaptainPrudeman
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How dare you accuse me of such crimes against God’s children. The weight of issues in my mind being different than yours does not make me what you called me.
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Psychae
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But by willfully empowering warmongers you choose to allow murder, including child murder, by your country. It’s the same logic.
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Divine3
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I don’t see him accusing YOU, many people express their opinion using the would you. It happens all the time in disagreements. You, is all of us — who are not trying to do something. Pope Saint John Paul in the Encyclical letter, The Gospel of Life said: “Jesus himself has shown us by his example that prayer and fasting are the first and most effective weapons against the forces of evil.” Pg. 158
(cf. Mt 4:1-11) Instead of arguing and getting angry at each other…this works the best…prayer and fasting. How many of us truly fast? Get people together and start a small group for life…great things will happen because Jesus showed us the way. All eastern Catholics…I know you fast and put us to shame.r
(cf. Mt 4:1-11) Instead of arguing and getting angry at each other…this works the best…prayer and fasting. How many of us truly fast? Get people together and start a small group for life…great things will happen because Jesus showed us the way. All eastern Catholics…I know you fast and put us to shame.r
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CaptainPrudeman
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He was directly responding to my post. I feel justified in taking offense at such words regardless, considering I have made clear my intentions to vote Democrat and they’re the people he referenced in rather unflattering terms.
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PeaceBeWithYou
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The Democratic candidates (all of them) have purely evil views on abortion. Makes me sick.
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Divine3
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Well, maybe you can hack it and suffer for Christ and for his children slaughtered by many of our people. Why defend yourself…Christ surly never defended himself as they mocked him and insulted the Son of God.
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