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rinnie
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don’t matter anyway, Jesus was here long before that. His commandments are the same. Once you are married you cannot remarry anyone until the other dies or you get an annulment from the Church.
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nancy_dalrymple
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I PRAY GOD WILL ENLIGHTEN YOUR MIND ,THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE TRUTH BEFORE HE COMES BACK. I DO LOVE THE MORMONS BUT I KNOW ABOUT YOUR ROOTS :REV:2-12-17 MY GRANDAUGHTER IS A MORMON AND I DO KNOW 5 OTHERS THAT I REALY DO LOVE,BUT I TELL THEM THE SAME SMITH WAS A FRAUD.PS I KNOW MY SPELLING IS NOT THE GREATEST BUT I CAN SEE THE TREES THROUGH THE FOREST I DONT NEED TO SPELL THEM.I DO THE BEST WITH WHAT I HAVE AND WILL BUY A DICTIONARY SO I DONT CONFUSE THE ALREADY CONFUSEDUh…yeah. as a matter of fact. I do.
“philogamy?”
I just wrote about some very creative ways to spell English words, but this one sounds vaguely…Socratic, or the science of examining head bumps…
WE ARE???
Wow. News to me. I’m going to have to have a word or two with my hubby about that, when next we speak. Mind you, that’s going to be awhile, but I’ll save up.
Perhaps he is, Nancy, but if he’s a Mormon wolf, you won’t recognize him, because your idea of what he looks like doesn’t match reality.
THANK YOU LOVE OF CHRIST NANCY
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Catholic_JIMMY
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No God would punish me regaurdless of who I kill. (Unless he Josheph Smith was trying to kill me first then it would be self-defense)
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rinnie
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Jerusha
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The Mormons **were **invaders. (And the descendants of invaders) Before the Mormons, there was a resaonable balance between the Natives in the area and the Settlers. The Natives, themselves, were recent settlers, since the original tribes of the area had been killed off by epidemics. Much of the conflict had to do with Mormons moving in, land fraud, and imposing their culture on the people of the area.
Much of this land fraud involved Native land, just across the river.
books.google.com/books?id=NIr1wXurd2kC&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=Half-Breed+Tract+Galland+Mormon+land+fraud&source=web&ots=nkboWIIOw-&sig=3L1by8JHJF5RidXJcoKS6wAkXPw&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result
sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/MO/miscstl1.htm
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Vol. II. St. Louis, Monday, June 10, 1839 No. ?
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==> FURTHER FROM THE MORMONS. – We learn that the Mormons, besides their purchase of land in the “half breed” tract in Iowa, have bought out the town of Commerce, on the Illinois shore, where they mean to publish a newspaper. Some of them had a difficulty larelt with their neighbors in Iowa, and a Mormon was shot and his leg broken.
Mormon souces acknowledge the existence of the Danites, the “enforcers” of Mormonism.
1857massacre.com/MMM/danites_index.htm
Just an overview of this thread, from development since I last visited.
The war never ends, does it? I thought, it having been 170 years ago, byegones were byegones.
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No not at all, God is Christ in the flesh,the redeemer,the Holt Spirit is God and Christ,all three are one and it isn’t that hard to understand.God ia all powerful he can be any where at any time.He is all in all,the GREAT I AM ! I believe and always will only those with a small mind could think different.I think he reveals things to people who can understand. All you can do is pray for them
In his love Nancy.
No not at all, God is Christ in the flesh,the redeemer,the Holt Spirit is God and Christ,all three are one and it isn’t that hard to understand.God ia all powerful he can be any where at any time.He is all in all,the GREAT I AM ! I believe and always will only those with a small mind could think different.I think he reveals things to people who can understand. All you can do is pray for them In his love Nancy.
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nancy_dalrymple
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Dear Trish, I know that I would pray for him,if he was here today,rather then let him die in his sin.What kind of a person would I be?I wouldnt hurt anyone,but I would surley would die for what I believe in.Just pray all will come into the knowledge of Christ,for only with prayer all things are possible With his love Nancy,God Bless you.:harp: Isnt music beautiful?
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dianaiad
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Excuse me.
Not all Mormons are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, though all members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are Mormons.
I am speaking of this larger, main group; the one that has built all the Temples, the one that has over 13,000,000 people in it, the one most people think of when they think “the Mormon church is rich?” THAT one. We sometimes refer to ourselves as “LDS,” short for “Latter-day Saint.”
So, while you are correct that there are some Mormon offshoots that still practice polygamy, the main sect, the largest one, the one that I THINK all the Mormons who post to this board belong to, does not. The second largest group, that used to be called the “Restored Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” and is now called “Community of Christ,” never did practice polygamy. In fact, that was the biggest reason they broke away–they didn’t like it. They are now happy trinitarian Christians whose baptisms the Catholics might will approve of, and get a little nervous when someone calls them “Mormon,” even though they still use the Book of Mormon.
All the other Mormon sects are small; the largest one, I believe, has at most 10,000 people. Most have considerably less.
A great many, if not most, of these are polygamist.
But if you are going to refer to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, then…no. We haven’t practiced polygamy for over a century, where have you been?
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dianaiad
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All the above commentary states is that you can’t lust after someone you aren’t married to. It doesn’t address the number of women you can marry.
…and polygamy was, though uncommon, not unheard of in those times.
Not that it matters; polygamy is practiced when it is required, and not when it isn’t. Abraham did it. Jesus’ apostles didn’t. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young did it. We don’t. (shrug)
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dianaiad
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Nancy, I’m sorry.I PRAY GOD WILL ENLIGHTEN YOUR MIND ,THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE TRUTH BEFORE HE COMES BACK. I DO LOVE THE MORMONS BUT I KNOW ABOUT YOUR ROOTS :REV:2-12-17 MY GRANDAUGHTER IS A MORMON AND I DO KNOW 5 OTHERS THAT I REALY DO LOVE,BUT I TELL THEM THE SAME SMITH WAS A FRAUD.PS I KNOW MY SPELLING IS NOT THE GREATEST BUT I CAN SEE THE TREES THROUGH THE FOREST I DONT NEED TO SPELL THEM.I DO THE BEST WITH WHAT I HAVE AND WILL BUY A DICTIONARY SO I DONT CONFUSE THE ALREADY CONFUSED
I’m an English teacher. Worse, I’m a special education English teacher. When I see spelling as creative as yours was with “philogamy” I have to celebrate it. I know it sounded like mockery, but it really wasn’t. I loved it. If you want to see someone with a REALLY good imagination regarding spelling, just read Shakespeare sometime!
The problem, m’dear, isn’t your spelling. It is that your opinion of what we believe doesn’t resemble the truth of what we believe very much, if at all. I mean, if we really DID believe what you claim we did, I’d dump the whole thing in a flash and become a Buddhist nun.
What would happen if it turned out that your beliefs about what we believe are wrong? What if it turned out that your version of our doctrine reads like a National Inquirer article on space babies? Wouldn’t that actually make you feel BETTER?
Or would it disappoint you?
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…That’s actually a tough question. I’d rather go with the “talking to him” route. Even though, I know it will be nearly impossible, it would be a nice challenge for me to convince him to reason… even if it gets him completely out of Christianity. That’s a sacrifice I will be more than happy to make.
I have a feeling, however, that not even he believed in what he preached. But that’s just a personal opinion.
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John7
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would you kill Joe Smith?
No. Christ is in me…he’s not into murder…he just isn’t.
No. Christ is in me…he’s not into murder…he just isn’t.
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dianaiad
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I see.
I know, you probably weren’t thinking all that through when you wrote your post, and were just speaking generally…but the problem is, this isn’t a hypothetical situation. A mob of 200 men in black face attacked the jail in order to murder four men they thought were unarmed. They killed two of them and severely wounded another.
I suppose that those members of the mob who, after blackening their faces, running up the steps in squads of twenty, attempting to get into the room where Joseph and Hyrum were imprisoned, shooting through the door and killing Hyrum…why they were perfectly justified, weren’t they, because after Hyrum was killed, Joseph shot at them?
And oh, my goodness.
Joseph, after Hyrum was killed and his own small gun misfired, went over to the window and stood there, drawing fire away from the other two men in the room: one who had been shot several times and had been shoved under the bed, and the other who was attacking all these men acting in self defense with his walking stick. Joseph’s ruse worked; the mob stopped shooting at the other men in the room and concentrated on Joseph. He stood there, asked for help from his Masonic brethren (which of course he didn’t get) and after being shot a couple of times, fell out of the window. Why, of course the men on the ground were then justified in sitting him up against the wall while he still lived and used him for target practice—I believe the phrase is ‘shot to doll rags.’
After all, they were just defending themselves. Joseph could have hurt them when he fell out of the window.
Ah, well. As long as you would only kill him in self defense, that’s all right.
See, here’s the problem: Joseph, until that night, never aimed at, much less SHOT at, another human being. He never did kill anybody; though three mob members were shot, none died. For that matter, at least one of those that WERE shot, it seems, got shot by one of their own. Stuff like that happens when you put twenty idiots firing guns in a six foot square landing and a switch back stair case.
So in order to set up the scenario of ‘self defense,’ you would have had to be a member of the mob. Joseph didn’t shoot at anybody else.
And now I hear words like 'blazing gun battle" and “self defense”
Makes me a little crazy. :whacky:
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nancy_dalrymple
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For all, Go to www.carm.org/lds/lds scroll down to Mormon Doctrines,Strange.Carm Do not go to another site all you will get is Mormons.They practicly own the net. This is serious get information while you can,or you wont be able to.They have reconstructed all the true information on Smith and even the true history of their church,I hate to do this but the truth is being kept from their own and the outside.Please read before they take this off the net too.Love of Jesus,the real one,the true one the one god the only God. Nancy. Sorry Dianaiad
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Ouch. Um, Nancy, you DO realize that Carm considers us Catholics to be as much of a evil, vicious, anti-Christian and unsaved cult as they do Mormons and Jehovah witnesses (and then some), don’t you?
Sending Catholic posters to Carm to ‘see the truth’ regarding just about any teaching is about as appropriate as sending a Baptist to the local Iman to hear the truth about Christianity. . .
Sending Catholic posters to Carm to ‘see the truth’ regarding just about any teaching is about as appropriate as sending a Baptist to the local Iman to hear the truth about Christianity. . .
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adelore
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My answer is No Way, No How. Killing someone intentally is simple murder. God has a lot to say about that in the Bible and anyone who would kill Joseph Smith because of his beliefs would be out right commiting murder.
Now I will say I would Pray for Joseph Smith that he would see the Truth.
There are many people of different religions that I don’t agree with their “Religions” view points. However these are still Gods children, our seperated Brothers and Sisters. I pray for them and I leave it in Gods hands to guide them.
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RebeccaJ
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Don’t take it out on Jimmy, he’s Catholic, and has expressed Catholic doctrine. Replace “Joseph Smith” with any name, I’m guessing you’d get the same answer.
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dianaiad
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Well, sweetie, I guess the black helicopters are flying faster than light, because all I get when I clicked on your link was “file not found.”
Nancy, I don’t get it. I’ve been a Mormon for a lot of years. I read all the books. I go to all the meetings. I have read the entire set of “Journal of Discourses,” and “Mormon Doctrine” (including the one that the Quorum made McConkie change because he went a little off the reservation) I"ve read “Jesus the Christ,” and The Book of Mormon, and the Bible, and the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. I’ve been to the Temple.
I even read the Ensign. Wow. If the church is keeping doctrine so secret that someone like me doesn’t know about it, then I think they might even be keeping it secret from themselves.
Maybe only the anti’s know.
Here’s a thought: why don’t you actually ask the MORMONS? That is, go to lds.org ? You never know. They might actually know what they are talking about.
Or…would you like me to learn about Catholicism from the Lutherans? The Baptists, perhaps?
Oh, I know. I’ll go to the Scientologists. Surely they know more about Catholicism than the Catholics do.
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nancy_dalrymple
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You must go to googles and put in www.carm.org/lds/lds then scroll down to Mormom Doctrines,strange.carm click on that and read I just went there it works.Go to googles.Nancy
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