Catholics- Would you kill Joseph Smith?

[dianaiad]

You must go to googles and put in www.carm.org/lds/lds then scroll down to Mormom Doctrines,strange.carm click on that and read I just went there it works.Go to googles.Nancy

Tell you what, Nancy. Why don’t you go here: carm.org/catholic.htm and see what you think about the accuracy of what CARM has to say about YOUR faith.

…that link, by the way, works. I tested it.

Ok, once you have done so, read a few articles and tell me what you think of their treatment of Catholicism.

Think they are fair?
Unbiased?
Accurate?

NO???

Well, if they are that bad about YOUR faith,(and even I can see how inaccurately they portray your faith) how in the name of all that is wonderful do you figure that they are accurate about anybody else’s?

Diana, talking about banging heads against brick walls…

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Tell you what, Nancy. Why don’t you go here: carm.org/catholic.htm and see what you think about the accuracy of what CARM has to say about YOUR faith.

…that link, by the way, works. I tested it.

Ok, once you have done so, read a few articles and tell me what you think of their treatment of Catholicism.

Think they are fair?
Unbiased?
Accurate?

NO???

Well, if they are that bad about YOUR faith,(and even I can see how inaccurately they portray your faith) how in the name of all that is wonderful do you figure that they are accurate about anybody else’s?

Diana, talking about banging heads against brick walls…

The Mormons are taking over the web,no matter where you go to find info. on Smith they redirect they even copy other people’s codes so to confuse people,and I know why Mormons are on this forum They want to set up their church like the Catholics so they send spys to get all the information on what they believe and how the church works:May God protect! That was the only place that wasn’t a Mormon that I could get any infor. on your so called PhrophetSatan Smith who by the way talked to the devil.read the artical,Mormonism comes from Egypt,and Masonism,fertility female gods they believe that Jesus and satan are brothers,and I know who they think the great whore on many waters is, Did you get enough information? Nancy:thumbsup:

 

[paarsurrey]

Tell you what, Nancy. Why don’t you go here: carm.org/catholic.htm and see what you think about the accuracy of what CARM has to say about YOUR faith.

…that link, by the way, works. I tested it.

Ok, once you have done so, read a few articles and tell me what you think of their treatment of Catholicism.

Think they are fair?
Unbiased?
Accurate?

NO???

Well, if they are that bad about YOUR faith,(and even I can see how inaccurately they portray your faith) how in the name of all that is wonderful do you figure that they are accurate about anybody else’s?

Diana, talking about banging heads against brick walls…

Hi

One may access, if one likes:

Heresy- Catholics, JWs

christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=81506&page=9

christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showpost.php?p=2187941&postcount=180

Protestants, Catholics, and Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot unite because each is an entirely separate religion and none of them can coexist. Neither Catholicism nor Jehovah’s Witnesses are Christian. They are both apostate and teach completely heretical doctrine; therefore they shouldn’t be considered Christian denominations.

I think all Christian denominations should resolve to respect everybody who says himself a Christian; and should not throw out others from the fold of Christianity. That is the first step to unite all 32000+ denomination into one United Christendom, which I favor.

Thanks

 

[LDNCatholic]

Neither Catholicism nor Jehovah’s Witnesses are Christian. They are both apostate and teach completely heretical doctrine; therefore they shouldn’t be considered Christian denominations.

Did you actually say that? Considering that you are considered both an apostate and a heretic by Islam?

 

[paarsurrey]

Did you actually say that?

Hi

I never said that; I just quoted it. To me any Tom, D i c k and Harry who says that he is a Christian, I accept him as one. I am very friendly with the Christians so I don’t mind that.

I think the Catholics should also be friendly with all the Christians; only then they could form one and United Christendom, which I always favor.

Thanks

 

[Clairdelune_89]

Hi

I think all Christian denominations should resolve to respect everybody who says himself a Christian; and should not throw out others from the fold of Christianity. That is the first step to unite all 32000+ denomination into one United Christendom, which I favor.

Thanks

Paarsurrey,

You do know that there already exists one, universal christian church, don’t you? The Catholic Church is the one, true, original christian church established by Jesus himself!! The other Christians splintered off from us, not the other way around. Even the word “catholic” means universal. The other groups would not get back into the universal christian church, that is why protestants and other splinter groups exist because they cannot come to agreement with what has previously been established. For more than 1500 years, the Catholic Church had been the ONLY Christian religion, until people came up with their own doctrines and refused to return to the fold, creating watered down denominations.

And we do not “throw others from the fold of Christianity” they throw themselves away from us. As fast as they can get away, actually. When people find out the truth, and the truth is different from what they know, that means change has to take place. Unfortunately, most people are unwilling to change, go figure.

If you want a united Christendom, you’re in a great place to learn about joining it

 

[dianaiad]

The Mormons are taking over the web,no matter where you go to find info. on Smith they redirect they even copy other people’s codes so to confuse people,and I know why Mormons are on this forum They want to set up their church like the Catholics so they send spys to get all the information on what they believe and how the church works:May God protect! That was the only place that wasn’t a Mormon that I could get any infor. on your so called PhrophetSatan Smith who by the way talked to the devil.read the artical,Mormonism comes from Egypt,and Masonism,fertility female gods they believe that Jesus and satan are brothers,and I know who they think the great whore on many waters is, Did you get enough information? Nancy:thumbsup:

I think that there is a bit of reality impairment going on here.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Dear Mr Moslim,why dont you go somewhere else and build your one world order! I cant see how you could be in favor of the anti christ coming back to rule. Hewbrews 4-12 Got a bible? If not we can all chip in for one, for you? The Lord says to discern the spirit. Most Christians, go by what the BIBLE teaches Mathew 7:6-15 While your at it read John 7:24 and have a nice day Nancy

 

[Jerusha]

Nancy, you can’t catch flys with vinegar. You come across as ill-informed and abrasive.

We need to get this conversation back on track.

I cannot judge those who were responsible for the death of Joseph Smith, either positively or negatively, because I do not know all the facts. Neither can I judge Joseph Smith, because I do not know all the facts. However, I do know enough to say that he was mentally ill. I can judge Brigham Young, because he profited from Joseph’s death, more than anyone else, and therefore had motivation to set others up to do the deed.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Just as an FYI, Nancy’s profile says she was baptized Catholic, not that she is a practicing Catholic. Indeed with other posts from her asking if ‘our religion’ had prepared us for the end times, and with her linkage to CARM for ‘the truth’, it is quite doubtful that she is a practicing Catholic at this time. I can’t imagine a practicing Catholic using CARM as a source for ‘truth’!

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Nancy, you can’t catch flys with vinegar. You come across as ill-informed and abrasive.

We need to get this conversation back on track.

I cannot judge those who were responsible for the death of Joseph Smith, either positively or negatively, because I do not know all the facts. Neither can I judge Joseph Smith, because I do not know all the facts. However, I do know enough to say that he was mentally ill. I can judge Brigham Young, because he profited from Joseph’s death, more than anyone else, and therefore had motivation to set others up to do the deed.

Ive always thought Joseph Smith was set up by Brigham Young he had more to profit by getting him out of the way Thank You Nancy:thumbsup:

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Just as an FYI, Nancy’s profile says she was baptized Catholic, not that she is a practicing Catholic. Indeed with other posts from her asking if ‘our religion’ had prepared us for the end times, and with her linkage to CARM for ‘the truth’, it is quite doubtful that she is a practicing Catholic at this time. I can’t imagine a practicing Catholic using CARM as a source for ‘truth’!

Since there was no other site I didnt have much choice on the matter.I told you the Mormons are taking over the web sites of the truth. I went to Catholic church still after my children were born,but not regulary,and after divorce I stopped.I’m trying to get back,but I never stopped reading the bible I did make my first communion,and conformation ,and all my children were baptized Catholic and made their first communion. No I guess you dont know that much about me nor I about you:blush: Sorry,but I though Joseph Smith was on trial not me forgive me for the plank in my eye,it makes it hard to see where your coming from.Hay I still love you and so does Jesus:thumbsup:

 

[dianaiad]

Nancy, you can’t catch flys with vinegar. You come across as ill-informed and abrasive.

We need to get this conversation back on track.

I cannot judge those who were responsible for the death of Joseph Smith, either positively or negatively, because I do not know all the facts. Neither can I judge Joseph Smith, because I do not know all the facts. However, I do know enough to say that he was mentally ill. I can judge Brigham Young, because he profited from Joseph’s death, more than anyone else, and therefore had motivation to set others up to do the deed.

You are speculating that BRIGHAM YOUNG ordered the Carthage Greys and others to murder Joseph Smith?

Interesting theory.

Of course, the fact that he argued his head off trying to keep Joseph from going to Carthage would indicate that this might not fly as a plausible idea.

In fact, it’s more likely that Emma did it, if we are going to get all conspiracy theory over it. Brigham Young, after all, only got the responsibility of thousands of people who had just lost everything they owned. Emma and her sons actually GOT all that stuff; the property, the Temple site, the whole thing, and they didn’t have to go to Utah. They got to stay right where they were, in possession of the church properties that Brigham and Co. had to abandon.

…and that idea is ludicrous. Nobody believes that of Emma, not LDS, not RLDS, not anybody–not the anti’s. It’s a silly idea.

However, if that particular ‘motive’ is set forward, she had a far better one than Brigham did.

 

[dianaiad]

Since there was no other site I didnt have much choice on the matter.I told you the Mormons are taking over the web sites of the truth. I went to Catholic church still after my children were born,but not regulary,and after divorce I stopped.I’m trying to get back,but I never stopped reading the bible I did make my first communion,and conformation ,and all my children were baptized Catholic and made their first communion. No I guess you dont know that much about me nor I about you:blush: Sorry,but I though Joseph Smith was on trial not me forgive me for the plank in my eye,it makes it hard to see where your coming from.Hay I still love you and so does Jesus:thumbsup:

Nancy, the problem is, Joseph never got to have that trial, did he?

 

[tobinatorstark]

If Joseph Smith were alive today, preaching the restored gospel, establishing the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, would you kill him? Please assume that you will not be punished by the law, as those who did kill him were not punished.

I have read much on this forum, by Catholics, implying approval of the killing of Joseph Smith. For example. “he died in a gun fight” (one against 200), he was a con man, h was a polygmamist, etc.

No I would not because it violates the Commandment Thou Shall not kill

 

[Jerusha]

No, you misunderstand me again. Brigham Young happily allowed the “anti’s” to believe that JS was responsible for anything bad that was going on.

Yes, Emma definitely had plenty of reason, also. The whole thing was unraveling at its core.

JS never got to have a trial, but a group of those who were among those who attacked the Carthage jail were acquitted. Since we apparently do not have a transcript of that trial, we do not know why they were acquitted. I would suspect “justifiable homicide”.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Nancy, the problem is, Joseph never got to have that trial, did he?

No he never did,and I’m against killing anyone except self defence,for if a loved one was being hurt I would try to stop it and sometimes things happen. I herd Joseph Smith did draw his gun and shot two people before he died?(come back) love of Christ Nancy

 

[dianaiad]

No, you misunderstand me again. Brigham Young happily allowed the “anti’s” to believe that JS was responsible for anything bad that was going on.

Yes, Emma definitely had plenty of reason, also. The whole thing was unraveling at its core.

JS never got to have a trial, but a group of those who were among those who attacked the Carthage jail were acquitted. Since we apparently do not have a transcript of that trial, we do not know why they were acquitted. I would suspect “justifiable homicide”.

You would suspect incorrectly. In fact, they were simply found “not guilty” by a jury…the second jury impaneled for the trial. The judge didn’t seem to think that there should be any Mormons on it, y’see.

I believe that the defense went something like “yeah, I was there, but the witnesses are either dead, in a coma or we’ve seen to it that it would be…unwise…for them to show up and I was in blackface so they couldn’t identify me anyway, so you can’t prove it so there.” Didn’t take long to acquit them.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Since there was no other site I didnt have much choice on the matter.I told you the Mormons are taking over the web sites of the truth.

An astute observation. They have been directed by their “apostles” to do proselytize on the internet. Just as you see them doing it here, deceptively, throwing in Mormon doctrine when it has nothing to do with the question, or as a means to dodge a question. Sending people to their missionary-oriented websites.

It is in fact their goal to replace every religion in the world with their made up lies. To remove truth and replace where ever and whenever they can. They are not wolves in sheeps clothings. Just wolves.

 

[Soutane]

If Joseph Smith were alive today, preaching the restored gospel, establishing the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, would you kill him? Please assume that you will not be punished by the law, as those who did kill him were not punished.

I have read much on this forum, by Catholics, implying approval of the killing of Joseph Smith. For example. “he died in a gun fight” (one against 200), he was a con man, h was a polygmamist, etc.

Are you nuts?Who cares about punishment by law.To do so would be to sin against our Lord mortally.I don’t care if he was a charlatan,insane,preaching a made-up,man-made “gospel”,con man,polygamist.He was still a child of God no matter how huge a false prophet he was.If any Christian answered yes to your question(I have not read all posts)then he or she has committed murder in their heart and are in a state of defacto mortal sin and must confess.I am offended by your ridiculous question or is it an assertion?