Catholics- Would you kill Joseph Smith?

[nancy_dalrymple]

An astute observation. They have been directed by their “apostles” to do proselytize on the internet. Just as you see them doing it here, deceptively, throwing in Mormon doctrine when it has nothing to do with the question, or as a means to dodge a question. Sending people to their missionary-oriented websites.

It is in fact their goal to replace every religion in the world with their made up lies. To remove truth and replace where ever and whenever they can. They are not wolves in sheeps clothings. Just wolves.

Know the truth and the truth will set you free. Thank You Nancy God Bless You!

 

[Jerusha]

I have read much on this forum, by Catholics, implying approval of the killing of Joseph Smith. For example. “he died in a gun fight” (one against 200), he was a con man, he was a polygmamist, etc.

To number his faults does not justify his death without a trial.

I believe that the defense went something like “yeah, I was there, but the witnesses are either dead, in a coma or we’ve seen to it that it would be…unwise…for them to show up and I was in blackface so they couldn’t identify me anyway, so you can’t prove it so there.” Didn’t take long to acquit them.

Name your source please.

 

[Soutane]

Is this guy(?) an agent provocateur?

 

[Jerusha]

Probably. They are so persistent about the issue. I may be paranoid, but they seem to be baiting me. Maybe they know who I am and know some of my family history.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Are you nuts?Who cares about punishment by law.To do so would be to sin against our Lord mortally.I don’t care if he was a charlatan,insane,preaching a made-up,man-made “gospel”,con man,polygamist.He was still a child of God no matter how huge a false prophet he was.If any Christian answered yes to your question(I have not read all posts)then he or she has committed murder in their heart and are in a state of defacto mortal sin and must confess.I am offended by your ridiculous question or is it an assertion?

Say I have a qusetion for you What is a child of God and who goes to Hell for sinning or do you not believe in Hell?Please dont compare false prophets,polygamists,murderers,to children of God Why does Father say flee ffrom the devil and he will flee from you? I dont belive in murder,and I do believe in prayer,but I’d kill for my loved ones for the Lord hates a coward. David slew 10,000 philistines in one day and was the apple of Gods eye I do believe in justice,and just desert. LEV:24-1-22

 

[dianaiad]

No he never did,and I’m against killing anyone except self defence,for if a loved one was being hurt I would try to stop it and sometimes things happen. I herd Joseph Smith did draw his gun and shot two people before he died?(come back) love of Christ Nancy

Yes, he did; he had a ‘pepperbox’ pistol, and after the mob killed his brother, he took it out and shot into the mob that shot him and were attempting to get into the door. It was pretty obvious by then that these men weren’t out to do anything but commit murder.

He shot three times, then the gun misfired.

There were three men wounded, but at least one of them was definitely wounded by other members of the mob, and perhaps more than one was. There were more bullet holes in the men than would be accounted for by Joseph.

Though they were so packed together that it would be hard to see how Joseph could possibly have missed anybody.

…I understand, by the words of at least one poster in here, that it is permissible to defend oneself?

Diana

 

[dianaiad]

Are you nuts?Who cares about punishment by law.To do so would be to sin against our Lord mortally.I don’t care if he was a charlatan,insane,preaching a made-up,man-made “gospel”,con man,polygamist.He was still a child of God no matter how huge a false prophet he was.If any Christian answered yes to your question(I have not read all posts)then he or she has committed murder in their heart and are in a state of defacto mortal sin and must confess.I am offended by your ridiculous question or is it an assertion?

Well, so far nobody has said that they would do so, though a few justified the original incident and the people who actually did it.

 

[dianaiad]

To number his faults does not justify his death without a trial.

Name your source please.

Of course: Carthage Conspiracy: The Trial of the Accused Assassins of Joseph Smith by Dallin H. Oaks; Marvin S. Hill

* Review: Inevitable Acquittal, Trial by Jury, and Trial by History Review: Inevitable Acquittal, Trial by Jury, and Trial by History Reviews in American History, Vol. 4, No. 3 (Sep., 1976), pp. 397-402

That do?

 

[Soutane]

Say I have a qusetion for you What is a child of God and who goes to Hell for sinning or do you not believe in Hell?Please dont compare false prophets,polygamists,murderers,to children of God Why does Father say flee ffrom the devil and he will flee from you? I dont belive in murder,and I do believe in prayer,but I’d kill for my loved ones for the Lord hates a coward. David slew 10,000 philistines in one day and was the apple of Gods eye I do believe in justice,and just desert. LEV:24-1-22

Nancy I have no idea as to what you are saying.Are you saying that Smith deserved death because he was a fase prophet?Who appointed you God?

 

[ChristIsLord]

if he tried shagging my wife or daughter maybe…

 

[Soutane]

Well, so far nobody has said that they would do so, though a few justified the original incident and the people who actually did it.

William M asked me if I would kill Smith if I had the chance.I replied no,as if I did kill him or kill him in my thoughts I would be dead before Christ.Now all of a sudden people are using self defense qualifiers.I am no pacifist but I DON’T kill false prophets nor burn heretics at the stake.I argue against them.That’s why I’m here at CA:thumbsup:

 

[dianaiad]

Nancy I have no idea as to what you are saying.Are you saying that Smith deserved death because he was a fase prophet?Who appointed you God?

Oh, blessings upon Nancy; I think I recognize her–if she’s not the Nancy who posts on alt.religion.mormon.fellowship in a very similar vein, then she’s a close clone.

Her opinions regarding Mormonism remind me of someone who has a sixpack-- but not the plastic rings to hold the cans together.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Nancy I have no idea as to what you are saying.Are you saying that Smith deserved death because he was a fase prophet?Who appointed you God?

**The Biblical fate for FPs is stoning - not shooting (see Deut.18). **​

**That’s just for the benefit of those fanatics who require Christians to live cooped up inside the Bible, & to be, do, think, have & imagine ****absolutely nothing not explicitly commanded by the Bible. **

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Nancy I have no idea as to what you are saying.Are you saying that Smith deserved death because he was a fase prophet?Who appointed you God?

No thats not what I mean,he must have been in the right place at the right time for he usto talk to the devil,and wasn’t playing with a full deck. He was evil,and I’m tired of telling people,the truth and they defend evil. God will bring all things hidden in darkness, and bring them to the light,I hope soon Peace to you

 

[po18guy]

If Joseph Smith were alive today, preaching the restored gospel, establishing the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, would you kill him? Please assume that you will not be punished by the law, as those who did kill him were not punished.

I have read much on this forum, by Catholics, implying approval of the killing of Joseph Smith. For example. “he died in a gun fight” (one against 200), he was a con man, h was a polygmamist, etc.

How on earth could you ever get this idea from those posts? Murder is NEVER justified! As to JS, he chose at that moment in jail to live by the gun, so he also died by the gun.

Matthew 26:52 (King James Version) Then said Jesus unto him, “Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”

As to the other accusations, I think that history is extremely clear and honest discussion demands that they not be simply dismissed.

 

[Soutane]

No thats not what I mean,he must have been in the right place at the right time for he usto talk to the devil,and wasn’t playing with a full deck. He was evil,and I’m tired of telling people,the truth and they defend evil. God will bring all things hidden in darkness, and bring them to the light,I hope soon Peace to you

Sorry,I still don’t understand?You’re saying Smith was evil and you"re a Mormon?I don’t understand.

 

[Bill_Pick]

Paarsurrey,

You do know that there already exists one, universal christian church, don’t you? The Catholic Church is the one, true, original christian church established by Jesus himself!! The other Christians splintered off from us, not the other way around. Even the word “catholic” means universal. The other groups would not get back into the universal christian church, that is why protestants and other splinter groups exist because they cannot come to agreement with what has previously been established. For more than 1500 years, the Catholic Church had been the ONLY Christian religion, until people came up with their own doctrines and refused to return to the fold, creating watered down denominations.

And we do not “throw others from the fold of Christianity” they throw themselves away from us. As fast as they can get away, actually. When people find out the truth, and the truth is different from what they know, that means change has to take place. Unfortunately, most people are unwilling to change, go figure.

If you want a united Christendom, you’re in a great place to learn about joining it

Great answer

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Sorry,I still don’t understand?You’re saying Smith was evil and you"re a Mormon?I don’t understand.

Hi Soutane I’m not a Mormon never was never will be THANK THE LORD. Ask any Mormon on here if I have defended Joseph Smith.I do love alot of them I have met,they are innocent and are not allowed to listen to negative things against their religion. Thats why I cant understand why their on this forum,unless to spyCheck out my postings and you will see.Love ya, Nancy

 

[po18guy]

…I understand, by the words of at least one poster in here, that it is permissible to defend oneself?

Diana

Per the Compendium of the Catechism dealing with the fifth Commandment (Thou shalt not kill)

Q: Why is the legitimate defense of persons and of society not opposed to this norm?

A. Because in choosing to legitimately defend oneself is respecting the right to life (either one’s own right to life or that of another) and not choosing to kill. Indeed, for someone responsible for the life of another, legitimate defense can be not only a right, but a grave duty, provided only that disproportionate force is not used.

The applicable sections are in CCC 2263-2265.

 

[dianaiad]

Sorry,I still don’t understand?You’re saying Smith was evil and you"re a Mormon?I don’t understand.

Trust me, this woman is Not LDS!