Catholocism the only true choice

[po18guy]

The one true church is the Baptist Church founded by John the Baptist. John the Baptist was preaching the Gospel long before Pete became an apostle.

Better read up on the history of your faith community. The first trace is about 400 years ago, when the baptist founder John Smyth fled England due to persecution from the Anglican church after he separated from it.

Your allusion/illusion/delusion to John the Baptist is certainly comical. It’s nowhere mentioned in the history of the "baptist’ faith. Remember that John the Baptist’s baptism was symbolic only. It had no power, but signified a change of heart.

Your KJV has Matthew 16:18 in it. It doesn’t say that Christ founded His church on John - rather upon Kepha. Unless you read it differently, which you likely do.

The baptist faith, for all it’s good features, is but one of thousands and thousands of Protestant denominations, all of which teach theological error. They have no set beliefs, no teaching authority, no unbroken line tracing back to Christ, relying on constantly varying interpretations of a Luther-censored bible. Pray for them.

 

[David_Vestal]

You know another big problem I have with alot of Protestants is the belief that they say well Jesus founded a church but its not a VISIBLE one but its a ‘invisible’ church, or that they say well the CHurch is in your heart not a building.

 

[mark_a]

where did the tradition come from that John Doe goes to “bible Baptist” college and suddenly he has the authoritive power to interpret and to teach what he thinks is correctly?

I call these guys Pope Bubba.

 

[David_Vestal]

And the second major flaw with Protestants since they make themselves individually a infallible authority if they THINK that scripture means something or if they THINK this is right, it is and thats really dangerous.

 

[Hisalone]

Swan:
Actually, it can mean a whole lot of things. Only the RC has this interpretation. Personally, I dont’ see where this line of scripture implies anything of the sort.

Of course it doesnt. Just another scripture which the CC uses for self promotion.

 

[Hisalone]

I call these guys Pope Bubba.

Which semminary did you go to?

 

[ckempston]

You know another big problem I have with alot of Protestants is the belief that they say well Jesus founded a church but its not a VISIBLE one but its a ‘invisible’ church, or that they say well the CHurch is in your heart not a building.

That’s a pretty ridiculous misrepresentation and oversimplification of what most Protestants believe. When I was in church Sunday, the church (i.e. the people) certainly was not invisible. And the Catholic church does not teach that “the church” is a building either.

 

[mark_a]

Which semminary did you go to?

I guess I’ve gone too far. Sorry for the sarcasm.

 

[David_Vestal]

Actually, it can mean a whole lot of things. Only the RC has this interpretation. Personally, I dont’ see where this line of scripture implies anything of the sort.

Of course it doesnt. Just another scripture which the CC uses for self promotion.

What???

 

[David_Vestal]

That’s a pretty ridiculous misrepresentation and oversimplification of what most Protestants believe.Well I suppose that depends on which denomination you belong to but that is one of the main attacks that I have heard that there is a invisible Church or that the Church Jesus founded was in Heaven and not on earth so we have no acess to it. When I was in church Sunday, the church (i.e. the people) certainly was not invisible. And the Catholic church does not teach that “the church” is a building either.

Actually the Church teaches from the CCC

1180 When the exercise of religious liberty is not thwarted,56 Christians construct buildings for divine worship. These visible churches are not simply gathering places but signify and make visible the Church living in this place, the dwelling of God with men reconciled and united in Christ.

1181 A church, "a house of prayer in which the Eucharist is celebrated and reserved, where the faithful assemble, and where is worshipped the presence of the Son of God our Savior, offered for us on the sacrificial altar for the help and consolation of the faithful - this house ought to be in good taste and a worthy place for prayer and sacred ceremonial."57 In this “house of God” the truth and the harmony of the signs that make it up should show Christ to be present and active in this place.58

1185 The gathering of the People of God begins with Baptism; a church must have a place for the celebration of Baptism (baptistry) and for fostering remembrance of the baptismal promises (holy water font).

The renewal of the baptismal life requires penance. A church, then, must lend itself to the expression of repentance and the reception of forgiveness, which requires an appropriate place to receive penitents.

A church must also be a space that invites us to the recollection and silent prayer that extend and internalize the great prayer of the Eucharist.

1186 Finally, the church has an eschatological significance. To enter into the house of God, we must cross a threshold, which symbolizes passing from the world wounded by sin to the world of the new Life to which all men are called. The **visible church is a symbol of the Father’s house toward which the People of God is journeying and where the Father “will wipe every tear from their eyes.”**65 Also for this reason, the Church is the house of all God’s children, open and welcoming.

 

[ckempston]

Actually the Church teaches from the CCC

So, when religious liberty is thwarted, does that mean there’s no church, because there’s no building?

 

[David_Vestal]

So, when religious liberty is thwarted, does that mean there’s no church, because there’s no building?

No but that means they would have to somehow make a meeting place that would have the things required IN a Church like a tabernacle an altar etc.

 

[ckempston]

No but that means they would have to somehow make a meeting place that would have the things required IN a Church like a tabernacle an altar etc.

What’s the earliest evidence you can find that these things were required in a church? My idea of the early Christians is they sat in a house and ate something akin to the Passover Meal, not that they performed the Mass as it is known today.

 

[David_Vestal]

What’s the earliest evidence you can find that these things were required in a church? My idea of the early Christians is they sat in a house and ate something akin to the Passover Meal, not that they performed the Mass as it is known today.

Well alot in Exodus and Exodus 30 God was having Moses make altars, and a tabernacle and burn incense and the altar served were they made the sacrifice the same altar that we receive the sacrifice on today. Also most of what we believe and do is straight form Judaism so Jews had temples with altars and such so Jesus never changed that part they called it a temple and we call it a Church, but it must have an altar where the sacrifice is made and it must contain a tabernacle and it must contain a pulpit/lecter from which we read the Holy Scripture from.

 

[ckempston]

Well alot in Exodus and Exodus 30 God was having Moses make altars, and a tabernacle and burn incense and the altar served were they made the sacrifice the same altar that we receive the sacrifice on today. Also most of what we believe and do is straight form Judaism so Jews had temples with altars and such so Jesus never changed that part they called it a temple and we call it a Church, but it must have an altar where the sacrifice is made and it must contain a tabernacle and it must contain a pulpit/lecter from which we read the Holy Scripture from.

Jesus fulfilled the Law and did away with the sacrificial system. Before the church was a financial behemoth, it met in people’s houses. Show me where Christians set up an “altar” in their house to consecrate the bread and wine. I would venture to guess that it looked a lot like the scene where Jesus breaks the bread himself: a bunch of believers, reclining at table, enjoying fellowship. Jesus wasn’t wearing vestments, and there was no altar.

 

[David_Vestal]

Jesus fulfilled the Law and did away with the sacrificial system. Before the church was a financial behemoth, it met in people’s houses. Show me where Christians set up an “altar” in their house to consecrate the bread and wine. I would venture to guess that it looked a lot like the scene where Jesus breaks the bread himself: a bunch of believers, reclining at table, enjoying fellowship. Jesus wasn’t wearing vestments, and there was no altar.

And Im under the assumption your only source of information is the Bible and you refuse to see anything outside of that? Also Jesus did away with the incorrect teachings of the Jews He did not do away with everything that is a blanketed statement to say He did away with the law.

 

[Frank_J]

Hi

I would like to put my two cents in here. I not here to hurt anyone but I wanted to say my peace here.

The Roman Catholic Church definitely has many very corrupt members at this time, and many even corrupt leaders. But I would put more of the problems on the Bishops of the Latin Church.

Papal indulgences, purgatory and the so called infallible Pope claims are a lot of blah blah blah as to quote somebody here. The only one that see the Latin as the so called only true church is the Latins themselves. I’m sick to death of hearing the sob stories over and over again.

Lets look at fact’s here everyone claims to be the one true church.

The RC church claim it, the Protestants church also claim it, and last in line is my church and it is the Orthodox Church.

I’m a Orthodox Christian and I would say that my Church is the one true Church. How do you like them apples ???

Hey, my Church is here to protect it flock of Christians and not here to abuse them and treat them like trash. You are very aware of the abuse problems that have been report in Massachusetts and around the country.

In my Church if any reports of priest or any other religionist doing any kind of abuse would be removed and investigated. My Church will clamp down very quickly.

Years ago you would here Roman Catholic maken statements on moral issues. Since the sexual abuse case the voice of the RC Church has been very silence lately on moral issues.

The only part of the Catholic that has stayed on the high moral ground has been the Eastern Rite Catholic. I never ever here of any problems from them. Maybe the RC Church should look to have them rule the Church it appears that they do much better at it then the Western Church.

I feel that the Roman Church has to clean house to gain back any kind of good reputation.

I’ve always said that ones name is ones reputation.

I looked at this way, you will know them by their fruits.

Now I have said my peace and I feel good about it; they say the truth will set you free…

Have a good day.

Frank J

 

[David_Vestal]

Hi

I would like to put my two cents in here. I not here to hurt anyone but I wanted to say my peace here.

The Roman Catholic Church definitely has many very corrupt members at this time, and many even corrupt leaders. But I would put more of the problems on the Bishops of the Latin Church. We judge a Church by what it teaches bud not the people in it, because all people are sinners.

Papal indulgences, purgatory and the so called infallible Pope claims are a lot of blah blah blah as to quote somebody here. All firms beliefs but Im addressing one issue at a time hereThe only one that see the Latin as the so called only true church is the Latins themselves. I’m sick to death of hearing the sob stories over and over again. Not sure what sob stories or what your referring to I consider myself Roman Catholic so I guess ultra right wing conservative traditionalist Catholic.

Lets look at fact’s here everyone claims to be the one true church.

The RC church claim it, the Protestants church also claim it, and last in line is my church and it is the Orthodox Church.

I’m a Orthodox Christian and I would say that my Church is the one true Church. How do you like them apples ???Yeah and the Catholic Church is the only one that can historically trace its roots back to Jesus, how do you like them apples???

Hey, my Church is here to protect it flock of Christians and not here to abuse them and treat them like trash.Really my church too! You are very aware of the abuse problems that have been report in Massachusetts and around the country.

In my Church if any reports of priest or any other religionist doing any kind of abuse would be removed and investigated. My Church will clamp down very quickly.Eh the claims of the sex stuff does not bother me I just say the kids like to throw rocks at the big kid on the block, you have to look at the numbers there are X million Catholics with X million priests so the few corrupt were dealt with excommunicated and turned into the police but thats the stick people try and beat us with.

Years ago you would here Roman Catholic maken statements on moral issues. Since the sexual abuse case the voice of the RC Church has been very silence lately on moral issues.Actually the Catholic Church is the only one that still teaches the same morals against, abortion, contraception etc cant say that your CHurch does most of the other Churches followed the episcopal Church in the 70s when they broke away and started condoning abortion etc female priests etc.

The only part of the Catholic that has stayed on the high moral ground has been the Eastern Rite Catholic. I never ever here of any problems from them. Maybe the RC Church should look to have them rule the Church it appears that they do much better at it then the Western Church.

I feel that the Roman Church has to clean house to gain back any kind of good reputation.

I’ve always said that ones name is ones reputation.

I looked at this way, you will know them by their fruits.

Now I have said my peace and I feel good about it; they say the truth will set you free…
Jesus promised His Holy spirit to be and guide the Church until the end of time Jesus’ promise still remains true no matter what us FILTHY sinners do we can not defunct the word of God and that is whats so beautiful about it, we still believe the same as 2,000 years ago and we still have Eucharist every mass for worthy are those that are called to this table, and there is nothing ANYONE can do to take my Eucharist away. -Pax Christi

Have a good day.

Frank J

 

[Frank_J]

Hi David Vestal,

I still stand by my remarks and will not back off of them.

Always remember traditionalist Catholic has two meaning if you spell it with a (T) one is for the Tridentine Mass and if one spells it will a (t) one thinks one is traditional in the Catholic faith.

Have a good day.

Frank J.

 

[SIA]

So God lets everyone in a lurch until the “reformers” came about to set things staright. And they not only returned us to the Church Jesus founded they blessed us with 30,000 different versions of the Church Jesus founded. yea right.

I didn’t preset this logic (illogic) you did. I didn’t say that the church was wrong from the beginning.