Cdl. Burke: God Doesn’t Make One-World Government ‘just and legitimate’
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Emeraldlady
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The problem today is that US doesn’t seem to be on board and striving as one for a global common good because of this supposed threat to ‘sovereignty’ and ‘patriotism’. Cardinal Burke is constantly more political in his opinion of Catholicism than he is religious.Emeraldlady:
The US was one of the founding nations in the UN, hosts the UN headquarters in New York and provides 22% of its annual funding. Many Americans disagree with what the UN does but our nation is hardly “only grudgingly a member state.”
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13pollitos
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What is that global common good?
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13pollitos
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The same could be said about nearly every bishop and even the pope. Even the ones that fall on the opposite side of the political spectrum. Which is exactly why the Church should not play politics at all. Period
Emeraldlady
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It comes from the capacity to identify as a family with all men since Jesus taught that identity and referred to us in that way. It is prophesied as our future by Isaiah 54 also.
2 Enlarge the site of your tent,
- and let the curtains of your habitations be stretched out;*
do not hold back; lengthen your cords - and strengthen your stakes.*
Emeraldlady
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The Popes goals are strictly scriptural ie. welcoming the stranger, feeding the poor. As TMC asked, where is the scriptural teaching about nationalism?Emeraldlady:
The same could be said about nearly every bishop and even the pope. Even the ones that fall on the opposite side of the political spectrum. Which is exactly why the Church should not play politics at all. Period
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13pollitos
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And you believe the UN does that?
Tell me, what is the UN is doing that promotes Christian brotherhood? Not acting in genocides of Christians around the world and bullying Israel seem to be a favorite pastime.
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Tell me, what is the UN is doing that promotes Christian brotherhood? Not acting in genocides of Christians around the world and bullying Israel seem to be a favorite pastime.
Emeraldlady
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Do you understand that the UN is a collection of like minded member states who are deliberately non political. The far right in the US just don’t seem to get that concept at all. What the world is asking the US is why doesn’t it want the most obvious resolution for Israel and Palestine ie the two State solution that significant numbers of both people are longing to work out? Why doesn’t the US have that capacity to step back and view the situation non politically and with humanitarian eyes? What is the benefit of continuing to support Israels unjust policies and actions in Palestinian owned territory? How can the UN operate non politically when the member US is so resolutely biased towards Israel?
And again, how can the UN act in an international capacity with regards to genocides without the support of the US who seems to want to put roadblocks up all along the way. Take the Rohingya situation. Options are limited by the US refusal to recognise the International Criminal Court which could see the Myanmar government called to account and punished by the world.
It happens so often that the UN is shackled by the roadblocks put up by the US who then turn around and criticise its inaction!
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13pollitos
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Ok. I see how it is. It is all the fault of the US. Got it.
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MikeInVA
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Sorry, you just plain wrong. The US is doing more for the good of the world than the UN, or any other country. Americans serve and die in places all over the world to improve the lot of the people where they serve. In exchange we get a lot of people who want to bash our country.
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13pollitos
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My family immigrated here like millions of others do each year. We didnt come the to US because it is the big bad bully of the world. We know what human rights look like on the ground in other countries and what they look like here. We recognize that although not perfect, we will find no place that is a stronger defender of the “little guy” and as welcoming in society. We have been made fully American. Not many countries view naturalized citizens the same as fifth generation native born citizens. How is that nationalism? Just like with racism, sexism, and all the other isms and phobias people throw around to shift an argument in their own favor, that word is becoming meaningless. Basically all those isms and phobias in modern speech simply means that someone doesn’t agree and must be shut down. As a brown lady that is scary to me. Those words shouldn’t be abused because they need to retain their power of defense. When they lose their power to defend, what defense do we have against the actions before they turn dangerous?
Emeraldlady
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This thread is about Crd Burke promoting a far right nationalist US agenda as Gods agenda. That’s my target criticism. Not ‘US bashing’.Emeraldlady:
Sorry, you just plain wrong. The US is doing more for the good of the world than the UN, or any other country. Americans serve and die in places all over the world to improve the lot of the people where they serve. In exchange we get a lot of people who want to bash our country.
As a supporter of this position, can you give us an explanation of why the global common good is not served by an authoritative body keeping account?
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13pollitos
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Where exactly does Cardinal Burke do that? He speaks of patriotism not nationalism. There is a major difference between the two. To quote him, “Patriotism, in fact, fosters the virtue of charity which clearly embraces citizens of other nations, recognizing and respecting their distinct cultural and historical identity.”
About a large centralized ruling authority Cardinal Burke says, "The divine authority, in accord with the order written upon the human heart, does not make just and legitimate a single global government. In fact, the divine law illumines our minds and hearts to see that such a government would be, by definition, totalitarian, assuming the divine authority over the governance of the world.”
No where is far right US nationalism mentioned. The entire 9 page text is linked in the article.
ETA: page 6 is especially good. I highly encourage anyone who believes the Cardinal is promoting a nationalistic agenda to read at least the end of page 5 and beginning of page 6 even if you just skip the rest.
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abucs
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I think that is the concern. That such a ruling body would be totalitarian. We’ve seen in the past 100 years the horror of socialist bodies being totalitarian. Be it Bolshevik Socialism or Hitler’s National Socialism. Each were anti Christian and looked to build a new and better world through the power of secular government and claims of redressing inequalities through state social justice.
Talk of ‘far right’ nationalisms make little sense. It seems to be a derogatory claim that seems to be referring to people concerned the same idiots are trying their project again under the old secular ‘equality’ banner with socialist principles quietly kept under wraps.
People will never willingly unite under these failed horrific concepts because what we are talking about is theft and authoritarianism.
Talk of ‘far right’ nationalisms make little sense. It seems to be a derogatory claim that seems to be referring to people concerned the same idiots are trying their project again under the old secular ‘equality’ banner with socialist principles quietly kept under wraps.
People will never willingly unite under these failed horrific concepts because what we are talking about is theft and authoritarianism.
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MikeInVA
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Sorry, my mistake.This thread is about Crd Burke promoting a far right nationalist US agenda as Gods agenda. That’s my target criticism. Not ‘US bashing’.
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