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Brendan
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And the Life in the Spirit is unaffected by the killing of a lion.
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FollowChrist34
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True, because it wouldn’t choose to do it unless compelled by necessity, much like one would apply the death penalty. Isn’t the kingdom of God where the lion lies down with the lamb. Figuratively speaking of course. I have no desire to offend or hinder anyone with Scripture. It doesn’t seem to be making much of a hit around here.
Mark121359
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Yes…I did read that. Thanks Clare! Makes you think of this from a different perspective doesn’t it?
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pianistclare
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yup. I think it’s called “reality”.
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Brendan
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Could outline where the Church has equated hunting with the death penalty in terms of necessity?
I have seen where Trent permitted clergy to hunt, as long as they did not do so in a ‘noisy’ fashion.
So where is the indication that hunting is harmful to the spiritual life, or at least to the extent that it can only be done of necessity?
Mark121359
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Awe holy smokes…would you look at this. According to this article it seems a Cecil the lion bronze statue is in order. I can just see the pilgrims flocking there kneeling down before this statue weeping uncontrollably. Geesh! Now, like the Israelites worshiping a golden calf, many Americans will do pilgrimage to a bronze lion! The Holy Land? Lourdes? Lisieux? Fatima? Nope!..I’m off to pay homage to Cecil!..in?..Zimbabwe!!! 
Peace, Mark
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FollowChrist34
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As I have stated before I have no problem with hunting for food. That is not what this thread is about. It is about a specific incident of trophy hunting. (or the concept of trophy hunting in general) This is what I oppose. I am not opposed to destroying animals out of necessity or for food. I don’t approve of rich Westerners who have plenty to eat choosing to kill animals for sport, especially when they are animals that are endangered or close to being endangered as are lions in Africa. I don’t approve the actions of the dentist who killed Cecil.
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FollowChrist34
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This group is based in Zimbabwe - natives. We need to be careful about not caring about what they think. That is super bad. Or do we just like the ones that say what we say? I think it’s called “reality.”Awe holy smokes…would you look at this. According to this article it seems a Cecil the lion bronze statue is in order. I can just see the pilgrims flocking there kneeling down before this statue weeping uncontrollably. Geesh! Now, like the Israelites worshiping a golden calf, many Americans will do pilgrimage to a bronze lion! The Holy Land? Lourdes? Lisieux? Fatima? Nope!..I’m off to pay homage to Cecil!..in?..Zimbabwe!!!
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sarah_j
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The world’s gone mad :*Cecil’s death has spawned an outpouring of emotion on social media, and reactions to the killing have even spilled into popular culture. Aaron Blaise, an animator who worked on Disney’s “The Lion King,” has created a painting in tribute to the lion.
“Look at the stars,” a quotation with the painting says. “The great kings of the past look down upon us
from those stars.”*
Maybe Cecil’s statue can include a plaque with that quote from the Lion King.
nytimes.com/2015/08/06/world/africa/cecil-lion-hunt-guide.html?_r=0
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tomarin
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May I suggest that this is evidence that the lion may be a powerful symbol of nature’s majesty and the way this particular lion was lured out of his protected preserve and hunted to appease one dentist’s ego seems like a colossal waste to many people (although not apparently to many local Zimbabweans)? I don’t think it’s a sign of madness or neo-paganism but rather a sign that people care deeply about a vanishing natural world, which is not in my view a bad thing (while at the same time being more divorced than ever from the process of actually raising and butchering our food).
*Cecil’s death has spawned an outpouring of emotion on social media, and reactions to the killing have even spilled into popular culture. Aaron Blaise, an animator who worked on Disney’s “The Lion King,” has created a painting in tribute to the lion.
“Look at the stars,” a quotation with the painting says. “The great kings of the past look down upon us
from those stars.”*
Maybe Cecil’s statue can include a plaque with that quote from the Lion King.
nytimes.com/2015/08/06/world/africa/cecil-lion-hunt-guide.html?_r=0
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DrTaffy
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So you clearly could care less. You could care so little that you didn’t bother to read, let alone post twice, on this thread. My point.
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DrTaffy
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Nope. Not a dichotomy of any kind. Just pointing out a fallacy. Unless you think that being stabbed or thrown off a building is less important than being criticised for killing a lion, then Estesbob’s own argument applies to his own post.
These things are happening, so either you agree with them (I doubt) or additional protection is required.
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DrTaffy
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You have failed to show how I have given a ‘misleading’ description of the events.
But you bet that I am incensed. Again, I personally do not hunt, for sport, not counting vermin control, as it simply does not interest me. But I know those who do, and the distress this incident is causing them makes me ‘incensed’ as you put it. One error I could put down to bad luck, two to coincidence, but the number of sloppy incompetent errors in this hunt appals me. Continuing as he stays in hiding rather than stepping out and explaining matters.
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I wasn’t referring to the media, I was referring to the people who use this argument. It rarely makes sense. It’s just a way to dodge the issue of the mistreatment of animals.
I wish people would extend their sympathy for Cecil to all animals. I agree that Planned Parenthood didn’t get enough coverage, and I agree that this one incident of animal cruelty is overblown, but I do feel that you are perhaps not seeing the bigger picture. Humans tend to treat animals like commodities or objects to be used or played with, and their suffering is generally ignored. I’m sure a lot of people mourning Cecil have a very superficial view of his death. Again, I only ever see your abortion argument as an attempt to ignore other issues.
I don’t recall saying that. It isn’t proportionate at all, no. I just said it’s irrelevant and an attempt to derail the discussing regarding our mistreatment of animals. Even if abortion takes place we still mistreat animals as well. In fact, the extent of that is also ignored by the media.
Mark121359
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I prefer the term “lunacy.” Reading some of the comments following their Facebook announcement only confirms this. Correct me if I’m wrong, but this hunter hasn’t been formally charged with anything yet…has he? He said he trusted his hunting guides, one of which has been charged in the killing, and he believed that he had all necessary permits. Who here can state definitively that he’s lying? And yet this man has received death threats, has had his property vandalized, has had to hire armed guards, has had PETA calling for his hanging, and he had to close his Minnesota dental practice all without a trial. Now as a Catholic, who would you say is over the top and out of line with their actions?
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I agree with you that the anti-dentist movement is over the top at its fringes. I have stated this concern I think about five times now. I personally think a lot of the posts on this thread are over the top. I think some of us Catholics sound like bloodthirsty hate-filled fire breathing nuts. Out there with The Lord of the Flies. God forbid some non Catholic reader sees us attacking each other like this. It’s indicative of a complete lack of fellow-feeling or sympathy, either for each other, or the animals that have been killed in trophy hunts. There is no reason a dentist needs to go to Zimbawbe to kill lions that have done him no harm. That is a perfectly Catholic thing to believe. No justification for this killing; the dentist was not threatened by the lion; he was not hungry; he was not poor. He was a decadent bored idiot with a penchant for cruelty. Killing this lion - that is lunacy.I prefer the term “lunacy.” Reading some of the comments following their Facebook announcement only confirms this. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the hunter hasn’t been formally charged with anything yet…has he? He said he trusted his hunting guides, one of which has been charged in the killing, and he believed that he had all necessary permits. Who here can state definitively that he’s lying? And yet this man has received death threats, has had his property vandalized, has had to hire armed guards and has had PETA calling for his hanging, all without a trial. Now as a Catholic, who’s over the top and out of line with their actions?
Peace, Mark
I just want to guy extradited to Zimbabwe, as I have stated time and again.
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Brendan
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And, as mentioned before, the meat from the game, by law, is given to a governmental food bank.
So this hunting excursion provided food.
And is there a moral flaw in targeting the largest food to be taken. Say, if I sent a group of students into a field and offered a prize for the one who picked the largest carrot. Of course, I would inform them that the food gathered would be donated to a food bank.
That would be trophy hunting resulting in the death of one of God’s creatures. So that would be an ‘heinous’ act then?
Mark121359
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Uh-huh. And there is absolutely no justification for this man to be treated as he’s been. By, *(to use your term not mine) *“decadent bored idiots” with a penchant for cruelty and no sense of perspective for God’s law. Now that…is lunacy!
Peace to you,
Mark
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