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Have you tried tagging them?
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Lily_Bernans
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Like your wife, I am a vegetarian, who does not care for insects. Unless they are poisonous or too, too, annoying like crickets, I will let them alone to live their lives, though. Yesterday, I was sitting on the sofa, and a grasshopper jumped into my hair. I pulled him out and put him outside. He’s welcome to the entire lawn, back and front, but I don’t want him in the house. No need to kill him, though, he presents no danger. He probably hopped in when I was helping to bring in groceries with another family member.
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Lily_Bernans
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Their legs are just too skinny.
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estesbob
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If Cecil the Lion came in my house I would put myself out of the house
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FollowChrist34
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Speaking of hunting for pleasure, my cats bring live red worms into the kitchen for sport. (They are 2 years old so I am hoping they will outgrow this - mainly the female one but the male has learned it from the female) They don’t kill them; they just let them crawl under a throw rug or off in the corner, shrivel up and die. I find this pastime abhorrent and whenever possible actually grab a paper towel and take the live worm back out into the yard (the cats close at my heel elated at the ruckus). Sometimes I am too late (watching TV, asleep on couch, on the phone, etc.) and I find the dead worm later on the floor. I feel horrible. I am happy to report I save about 90% of them. But it is always sad when I miss one of them.
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LongingSoul
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What Brendan does is highly controlled. Do we really think an African Priest getting a random letter from an American is going to make any comment that might cause controversy in the American media zoo? Is that priest likely to give a specific comment on this type of person… the wealthy American faux hunter… or say something to jeopardize what is a money generator in a third world country?
It’s highly likely that Fr Robert as an African has not had cause to take a moral position on the American type trophy hunting considering the social problems he is faced with as a priest in a Third World environment.
The same goes for the Queensland police being approached by a random American looking for debate trump cards (another thread). As if the police PR are going to give an answer that might bring about the vicious response of the American right media.
Why not ask questions that directly relate to this issue. Questions that could teach you something about how others really think instead of coining questions in a way that can only get the answers you can turn to your position and call them definitive expert answers?
Why not broach the thorny question about Americanised trophy hunters and whether that really constitutes ‘hunting’ in the spirit of mans survival. ie. for food or for culling? Why not ask about the practice of ‘canned hunting’ that is so prominent in Africa now that it has prompted many countries to outright ban the import of trophy products from Africa? Why not ask those sorts of questions that focus on the types of hunting that the people of the world are questioning via the actions of this serial law flouter, Dr Palmer?
I worked in a field for a long time that gave me insight into the subtleties of people who control others to prevent healthy conversation and respect for all the affected parties of an issue.
For my part, I’ll offer a well thought out and genuinely offered Catholic opinion on this issue given into the internet discussion world without being a response to a highly controlled question.
catholicveritas.com/blog/trophy-hunting
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Brendan
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So I thus manipulated him to give a particular answer
As an additional FYI, one of my Tanzanian friend Fr. Abraham did send an introductory email, so it was not entirely random. He had been made aware that I am a frequent visitor to Africa, Fr Abraham’s diocese in particular, on mission trips.
To be fair, here is the introduction email, with my last name extracted for privacy purposes
So perhaps we should follow his example and not take a moral position and focus on the needs of the people in the Third World instead?
For the record everyone, I asked Longing to send the email to the Australian police. Instead, she directed me to the their website and encouraged me to contact them myself.
Here is the thread.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=965673&page=32
Of course, Longing did suggest a more neutral way of phrasing the question
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Of course, I manipulated those unsuspecting police when I phrased the question as such
“I am in a discussion with an Australian, and this person is under the impression that when Australian police draw their firearm in response to a criminal incident, that the police officer is trained to intent to kill. My thoughts would be that the intent is to stop the crime. Could you provide an resources or links in regards to police training in this matter.”
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Brendan
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And if anyone thinks I am making up the Tanzania part, please feel free to do a search on my user name and the keyword of ‘Tanzania’
You’ll see that the comments go back for years. and there are some pictures
You’ll see that the comments go back for years. and there are some pictures
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Brendan
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A.) You still have not show how my question was ‘highly controlled’ , as you then stated that it was just the opposite,.
You suggest that I asked ‘definitive’ questions, but that leaving the answer entirely open for the person to answer any way they wish is ‘controlling’
In regards to the question be ‘controlling’ youtube.com/watch?v=wujVMIYzYXg
Could you quote the part where I directed him to answer in the way that I wanted him to. To do so would require that I actually TELL him, or the police, how I wanted the answer to go, would it not? Where did I do that?
As far as your link, it has the presumption of vanity on the party of the dentist. I don’t see where that premise has been proven. Perhaps it was just me controlling Fr Robert, but accusations of vanity ( a vice) did not figure in his response.
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adrift
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Is the response well thought out because you agree with him?
I found many errors in his “well thought out” opinion piece. He never mentions the aspect of herd management. A big item if it was truly well thought out. His response is as controlled as what you think the priest answer was. To put the priest answer in a nut shell what he said is it is not immoral to have killed the lion. This obviously goes against your grain. You have unsuccessfully tried to make the case that it is. Perhaps that is why you attack this priest. The question wasn’t controlled at all. It was a very generic question that the priest gave a very generic answer. You have to discredit him somehow in order to maintain your untenable position.
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Abnerbh
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With the lions, those hunts are wrong because lions are endangered & they are not food. These 2 lions were killed for sport & lions are endangered because of habitat destruction. Lions are not food & must be left alone. This was not hunting deer, ducks, quail or rabbits for food. This was trophy hunting & dentist must be punished for this because he killed for thrill. With giraffes, they are eaten in Africa though I don’t know why. Impalas, gnus & warthogs are also sometimes eaten. If huntress (another article) killed the giraffe & then gave the giraffe as food to the people there, then it’s food hunting.
If people want to hunt deer, pheasant, ducks or rabbits for food, then as long as they are swiftly killed, then I have no problem. I know hunters who agree with me and they oppose poaching & believe in the idea of eating their kills. Nature as known can be cruel. Though PETA would differ, I would rather see a hunter quickly shoot and kill a quail, duck, deer or rabbit and eat their kill vs. a python killing a rabbit. Yes, the python is doing what is nature, but nature can be cruel. Though I do not listen to country music, singer Miranda Leigh Lambert in addition to the good work she does to protect dogs with Pedigree dog food also hunts & fishes for food. Miranda Leigh Lambert proves that it is consistent to support animal welfare & @ the same time have no problem with food hunting as long as the animal is humanely and swiftly killed. Miranda Leigh Lambert is a hunteress who proves that there are people who support animal welfare who have no problem with food hunting as long as animal is swiftly killed and no poaching.
I have a friend who has hunted deer, ducks & muskrat and she told me that she did this for food. She has same views as country singer Miranda Leigh Lambert has on dogs and she has done humane work with dogs. Another eg. would be radio host Rush Limbaugh (Rush Hudson Limbaugh) who did announcements for U.S. Humane Society in 2009. Though I don’t know if Rush hunts, he supports people’s right to hunt for food. Rush in 2009 did announcements for U.S. Humane Society where he speaks against dog fighting, animal abuse & he talked of his cat & how he loved his cat and so on. Should the U.S. Humane Society have not used Rush? Should Pedigree Dog Food & U.S. Humane Society take announcements from people on animal topics like country singer Miranda (Miranda Leigh Lambert) and Rush because 1 has hunted?
in North America, they hunt bobcats, cougars, wolves, foxes & coyotes. Now yes, you can have excess bobcats, cougars, wolves, foxes& coyotes attacking pets & livestock. Yes, you can have diseases such as parvo. If they can avoid hunting them & put them in zoos, then thatwould be better. But they must not allow trophy hunting of bobcats, cougars,
woves, foxes & coyotes. If they are to be hunted, then it must be done by wildlife officials to cull diseases & not private hunters. But before they are, then there should be biological statements which show that culling is only choice & there should be public (name removed by moderator)ut. They should do what they can toavoid hunting bobcats, cougars, wolves, foxes & coyotes because these animals aren’t food & we don’t need fur coats anymore to stay warm.
If people want to hunt deer, pheasant, ducks or rabbits for food, then as long as they are swiftly killed, then I have no problem. I know hunters who agree with me and they oppose poaching & believe in the idea of eating their kills. Nature as known can be cruel. Though PETA would differ, I would rather see a hunter quickly shoot and kill a quail, duck, deer or rabbit and eat their kill vs. a python killing a rabbit. Yes, the python is doing what is nature, but nature can be cruel. Though I do not listen to country music, singer Miranda Leigh Lambert in addition to the good work she does to protect dogs with Pedigree dog food also hunts & fishes for food. Miranda Leigh Lambert proves that it is consistent to support animal welfare & @ the same time have no problem with food hunting as long as the animal is humanely and swiftly killed. Miranda Leigh Lambert is a hunteress who proves that there are people who support animal welfare who have no problem with food hunting as long as animal is swiftly killed and no poaching.
I have a friend who has hunted deer, ducks & muskrat and she told me that she did this for food. She has same views as country singer Miranda Leigh Lambert has on dogs and she has done humane work with dogs. Another eg. would be radio host Rush Limbaugh (Rush Hudson Limbaugh) who did announcements for U.S. Humane Society in 2009. Though I don’t know if Rush hunts, he supports people’s right to hunt for food. Rush in 2009 did announcements for U.S. Humane Society where he speaks against dog fighting, animal abuse & he talked of his cat & how he loved his cat and so on. Should the U.S. Humane Society have not used Rush? Should Pedigree Dog Food & U.S. Humane Society take announcements from people on animal topics like country singer Miranda (Miranda Leigh Lambert) and Rush because 1 has hunted?
in North America, they hunt bobcats, cougars, wolves, foxes & coyotes. Now yes, you can have excess bobcats, cougars, wolves, foxes& coyotes attacking pets & livestock. Yes, you can have diseases such as parvo. If they can avoid hunting them & put them in zoos, then thatwould be better. But they must not allow trophy hunting of bobcats, cougars,
woves, foxes & coyotes. If they are to be hunted, then it must be done by wildlife officials to cull diseases & not private hunters. But before they are, then there should be biological statements which show that culling is only choice & there should be public (name removed by moderator)ut. They should do what they can toavoid hunting bobcats, cougars, wolves, foxes & coyotes because these animals aren’t food & we don’t need fur coats anymore to stay warm.
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Bubba_Switzler
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A lot of misinformation packed into a single post. I’ll limit myself to just the first sentence.
The lions are not endangered by hunters but by human encroachment on their territory. Reducing hunting will not save the lions, it will only mean more lion attacks on humans and depredation of prey.
Lion meat is eaten and therefore lion are food. Though this is not essential to the sport of hunting nor to it’s wildlife management function.
All of this has been discussed at length in this thread and many good articles on the Cecil “tragedy” have discussed this too.
See e.g.:
wsj.com/articles/how-trophy-hunting-can-save-lions-1438903734
wsj.com/articles/africas-growing-population-imperils-its-lions-1438939803
Facts before opinions, please.
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Brendan
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Yes, the native African do eat lion. They have traditionally hunted them if they threated their herds, but they were certainly NOT going to let all that meat go to waste
The meat from a safari hunt goes to government food banks, per law in most African countries, including Zimbabwe.
And you can purchase USDA certified, farm raised, lion meat here in the US.
Steaks go for about $26 per lbs.
czimers.com/largegame.html
The meat from a safari hunt goes to government food banks, per law in most African countries, including Zimbabwe.
And you can purchase USDA certified, farm raised, lion meat here in the US.
Steaks go for about $26 per lbs.
czimers.com/largegame.html
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Bubba_Switzler
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Most animals, in fact, are edible given the proper preparation. The Romans regarded rat as a delicacy. The Cantonese are reputed to eat anything with four legs except the table. If you can eat wild pig you can eat anything. I’m willing to bet that most, if not all, “trophy” animals are edible and, in fact, probably provide quite the quantity of food.
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pianistclare
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Yes, we squeamish Americans who bring all of our animals indoors (I saw a show where a guy let his prize bull sleep in his living room) find this concept of animals for sustenance somehow objectionable. But this is the way the world outside of the US tends to work.
My pastor likes to joke about going out to order “General Tso’s Kitten”.
But seriously, People in lots of places eat lots of things we wouldn’t even consider.
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Brendan
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Yep, in Tanzania, even at the bishop’s house, getting meat with the meal was a very rare occurrence.
The lack of refrigeration alone prohibits the storage of meat. It was only last year that the bishop’s house got regular electricity and the bishop is NOT going to waste diocesan funds by splurging on the power to run a fridge.
A parish did give us a goat as a present. We had it as the main course for our going away party ( the nuns butchered it and roasted it whole)
Here is a pic from dinner. The guy in the blue shirt is my pastor. The bishop ( in white) gave him the honor of carving the goat.
As an additional FYI, the guy in the brown and orange polo is Fr. Abraham, he was the one who introduced me to Fr. Robert.
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Abnerbh
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These hunts are wrong and about money. This hunt got world attention because people are willing to spend thousands to kill an animal for sport. There are profits made by the guides who do this. This isn’t food hunting. Lions have been killed and parts sold on illegal market. Same thing with elephants. Hunting lions is wrong because they are endangered species. They should outlaw sports hunting. This was not hunting deer, ducks, quail or rabbits for food. This was trophy hunting. The guides he hired in this hunt are also to blame because they took him there & the guides should also be punished. Should they also get rid of bow hunting? American Indians hunted with bow & arrow & people are still bow hunting today.
I don’t believe people should be allowed to keep a monitor lizard or a python as a pet because those animals are not like a dog or a cat. As known, what has happened is that people have released monitor lizards and pythons into the Everglades when they got too big and these 2 have killed endangered species as the adult pythons and monitor lizards have almost no predators except for the American alligator. I support hunting the pythons and monitor lizards which are in the Everglades to protect the endangered species. I know that the U.S Humane Society opposes hunting the pythons and monitor lizards in the Everglades but this is what is needed to protect endangered species. Hunt the pythons & monitor lizards or put them in zoos or better yet, their natural environments they came from. If you have thoughts, then please comment.
I don’t believe people should be allowed to keep a monitor lizard or a python as a pet because those animals are not like a dog or a cat. As known, what has happened is that people have released monitor lizards and pythons into the Everglades when they got too big and these 2 have killed endangered species as the adult pythons and monitor lizards have almost no predators except for the American alligator. I support hunting the pythons and monitor lizards which are in the Everglades to protect the endangered species. I know that the U.S Humane Society opposes hunting the pythons and monitor lizards in the Everglades but this is what is needed to protect endangered species. Hunt the pythons & monitor lizards or put them in zoos or better yet, their natural environments they came from. If you have thoughts, then please comment.
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