Chaperones lead Catholic schoolgirls out from "Nutcracker Suite" performance with same-sex roles, causing criticism, agreement

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jan10000 said:
You can argue my position in various ways (you can deny the premise, for example), but I don’t see how my position is an example of a tu quoque fallacy.
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Because you are arguing about sins not mentioned in the original post.
Instead, you are calling a “whataboutism” with other sins that may or may not be the same. Then calling out bigotry or hypocrisy for anyone not doing what you want.
All while not actually addressing the original point.

It is a classic tu quoque logical fallacy.
 
jan10000 said:
f Catholicism is stating that homosexual marriage between to loving, caring people, that raise children as loving and caring parents, is so horrible that we have to leave a theater when it is shown, well, I think that is damaging Catholicism rather than helping it.
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You’re entitled to your opinion re: Catholicism.

In this world of ongoing AntiChristianity - the Church abides by Christ’s Teachings - period…
Sexual perversions which went down in e.g., Sodom & Gomorrah - are Evil…
Unless and until a person involved in that manner ceases refusing to repent… Heaven is barred to them.
 
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While I have not read all the responses, I think I get the idea. The chaperones were correct. Allowing the girls to see the play with the mentioned sinful behavior might instill the thought in their minds that it could be acceptable.
Also, I do believe in fair treatment for all, but something in the report stands out as a huge warning. This quote: One 2016 graduate said on Facebook, “You can write all of the inclusion statements you want, but you need action to back it up. The LGBTQ+ community needs to be not merely tolerated but celebrated!”
They (“the community) do not want or desire equal treatment. By this statement, they desire “special” treatment.
Tolerated, without risking innocent souls that could be corrupted, yes.
“Celebrated?”, one word, “NO”
Dominus vobiscum
 
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jan10000 said:
Just to be clear, Jesus never said anything about homosexuality. The statements about homosexuality come from the Pauline epistles and the old testament.
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What exactly does this make clear for us?
Are you suggesting the Paul was wrong in what he wrote to the early church?
 
jan10000 said:
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EndTimes:
the Church abides by Christ’s Teachings
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Just to be clear, Jesus never said anything about homosexuality. The statements about homosexuality come from the Pauline epistles and the old testament.
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You’re funny. What was the prevailing view of homosexuality in Jesus’ culture? Did he ever speak against that?

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jan10000 said:
Modern Catholicism is trying to promote a culture of acceptance for homosexuals while advocating they avoid the specific sin of homosexual behavior.
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Catholicism has been clear about not condemning people for having homosexual inclinations, but that is very different from not condemning homosexual behavior. It really isn’t possible to condemn particular “actions” without condemning those who engage in them.
If a Catholic person or group walk out of films that depict loving, caring, nurturing homosexual relationships, we cannot conclude that the policy of accepting homosexuals is WRONG, but we can opine that such acts discredit Catholics supporting the position.
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This is a “Let’s condemn homosexuality in theory, just not in practice” position. Homosexual “marriage” is condemned by the church whether it is “loving, caring, nurturing” or not. It is not possible to separate immoral acts from those who commit them.
I maintain such actions weaken the overall platform that Catholicism is trying to promote.
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The failure to live as if her doctrines meant anything would eliminate any reason to call oneself Catholic in the first place.
 
jan10000 said:
The statements about homosexuality come from the Pauline epistles and the old testament.
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Jesus spoke of Sodom and Gomorrah - in the full sense of what went down including its destruction

Scriptures are Unified … and Catholic Teachings are very clear…

Active Homosexuality can never exist in God’s Kingdom.

We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing Homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the Gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, – Timothy
 
jan10000 said:
I am just clarifying Jesus never taught about homosexuality.
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You are trying to place a contrast in the teachings of God’s Church while at the same time claiming to make things clearer.

The plain fact is, God guides his Church.
That includes Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit.
 
jan10000 said:
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You are trying to place a contrast in the teachings of God’s Church while at the same time claiming to make things clearer.
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I don’t understand the issue. It is a plain, confirmed, indisputable fact that Jesus never taught homosexuality was wrong. This is one of the reasons why other Churches disagree with the Catholic viewpoint. You can say it doesn’t matter, or any other reasonable response.
But the original post discussed “Christ’s teaching” on homosexuality. There is no such teaching.
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  1. Don’t you think that if Christ wanted to teach something other than the prevailing attitude towards homosexuality in his culture, he would have? For instance, in Biblical times, do you think that society was tolerant of homosexuality? If Jesus thought differently, don’t you think he might might have mentioned that?
  2. Another factual error you repeat: “Jesus never taught about homosexuality”. I think what you mean to say is “we don’t have any quotes in Scripture that Jesus explicitly mentions homosexuality”. Unless you are a time-traveler and observed Jesus’ every word, then you have no idea if he “ever” spoke about it.
  3. There are a lot of things Jesus never spoke about. I guess they’re all okay then! Should we torture kangaroos? Jesus never spoke about it - I guess it’s okay then! Should I sneak into a movie theater if I can? Jesus never spoke about it, so I guess it’s okay! Etc.
 
jan10000 said:
Again, the Church’s teachings on gays stem from the old testament and Paul, not from Jesus.
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The Church has no Teachings on “gays”

Jesus spoke of Sodom and Gomorrah - in the full sense of what went down including its destruction

Scriptures are Unified … and Catholic Teachings are very clear…

Active Homosexuality can never exist in God’s Kingdom.

We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing Homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the Gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, – Timothy
 
jan10000 said:
It is a plain, confirmed, indisputable fact that Jesus never taught homosexuality was wrong.
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What this says is true, what it implies is not. No Christian church has ever limited its doctrines solely to those things Jesus explicitly said in the Gospels.
This is one of the reasons why other Churches disagree with the Catholic viewpoint.
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I have no idea why other Christian churches reversed their centuries-old doctrines on the morality of homosexual behavior, but if that’s the argument they used they are closer to irrelevancy than I could have imagined.
 
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jan10000 said:
Change is slow, but it does occur.
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Once again, what you say is true, but what it implies is false. Some things can indeed change, but there are things that cannot, so not all “change” is possible simply because some is.
Don’t be surprised if one day Catholics accept homosexuality in some form, or women become priests, etc.
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Yeah, these are in the “won’t ever change” category. Catholics are not going to approve something explicitly condemned by scripture regardless of whether Jesus directly addressed it or not, and women priests has already been defined as infallibly forbidden.
 
jan10000 said:
I am indicating that someone who makes the statement “Christ’s teaching” against homosexuality (which was made above) is misleading and being perhaps dishonest.
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Given that you are making a claim that cannot be proven, there seems little ground for claiming dishonesty.

And as I already said,
jan10000 said:
you are suggesting that Christ’s teachings and the teachings of Christ’s church are not in agreement.
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And that is an error.
 
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have no idea why other Christian churches reversed their centuries-old doctrines on the morality of homosexual behavior,
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Maybe those who were behind it support and possibly involve in - homo-sexual activity?
 
EndTimes said:
Maybe those who were behind it support and possibly involve in - homo-sexual activity?
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It is more likely that they are just part of or influenced by the pro-LGBT opinion that has become part of secular media.
 
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