Chaperones lead Catholic schoolgirls out from "Nutcracker Suite" performance with same-sex roles, causing criticism, agreement

[Annie]

which characters live lives beyond the boundaries of the Catholic religion.

As already pointed out earlier in the thread, it is when bad is portrayed as good that there is a problem.

The two fathers in The Nutcracker have no such knowledge.

Aside from our consciences, how do you know they don’t?

nowhere in the story does it imply they are in a sexual relationship.

They are “married,” which totally implies they are in a sexual relationship.

 

[Annie]

then taught us to think for ourselves.

The funny thing about thinking for oneself is that one ends up thinking just like everyone else.

And they say religious people are brainwashed…

I do think it is important to be able to ask why, but not as nauseam. Those who allow questioning to go on that long are relativist who don’t believe anything.

As Chesterton said, “Merely having an open mind is nothing. The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.”

But lots of people dont see any harm from having sex just the way they want it.

Wow, no one thinks that all this indiscriminate sex has had a bad effect upon society at all?

Divorce, single parenthood, abortion, and all the bad effects this has on the next generation means nothing to them as long as they get to have their fun?

 

[Barnesy]

I do think it is important to be able to ask why…

Which is exactly what i said.

Wow, no one thinks that all this indiscriminate sex has had a bad effect upon society at all?

Which is exactly what i didnt say.

 

[Annie]

(Confused)

 

[Barnesy]

(Confused)

Did i say that its important to ask why? Yes i did.
Did i say that indiscriminite sex doesnt have a bad affect on society? No i did not.
Are you still confused? I dont know. I just repeated my answers so probably.

 

[poche]

I think that the chaperones did the right thing.

 

[vz71]

The worst teachers i had were the ones that said this is what you must believe.

That would have to be all of them.
Else none could assign a grade for the work done since any answer should be considered just as correct as the one they provided.

 

[vz71]

Ive got no interest in what people do in private as long as they are old enough and they both agree.

Why does age matter?
You have been making a point that these kids should think for themselves, yet the above statement undermines that premise.

 

[vz71]

There is nothing in the story that alludes to sex. Many married couples do not have sex.There is even a name for it in Catholicism, yes? A “Josephine marriage”?

Named so to actually identify it as unique.
The “marriage” portrayed however does not.

Therefore sex is implied.

 

[Annie]

Did i say that its important to ask why? Yes i did.

I went to school too, and I know that there are limits to asking why. And I have children, so I know there are limits to asking why. And what I said was that teachers who allow asking why without limits are moral relativists, which is different from what you said.

Did i say that indiscriminite sex doesnt have a bad affect on society? No i did not.

And yet despite the fact that you see the harm to society, you think it is none of your business what people do?

 

[Annie]

Because the characters are not presented as Catholic. Why would they know they’re “sinning” as per the Catholic set-up?

The only people in history who have condemned homosexual behavior are Catholics?

Moreover, just because the people involved in sinful behavior do not think it is sinful, and therefore portray it as good behavior, does not make the portrayal of bad behavior as good any better fare for Catholic children under Catholic auspices.

Implying a sin is all it takes to be a sinner?

No one is imputing personal guilt in all this, simply the portrayal of actions which make bad actions seem good.

As I mentioned earlier, yes, marriage laws are such that some might go through a fraudulent form of marriage in order to obtain certain benefits. However, this is not the general implication of marriage in our society, and therefore the normal assumption is that two people who have bothered to get married are engaged in sexual activity.

What you are saying is, “Since blind people do exist, it is absurd to think without evidence that a random character in a play can see.”

 

[TheLittleLady]

I inferred nothing of the sort. There was made a reductio ad absurdum. I was pointing out the weakness of this statement. One does well to argue the facts.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Yet just a few posts down, you speak as if exclusion is mandatory

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[TheLittleLady]

Looking at the bigger picture, I’m actually a little surprised at how many people seem to think their personal values should dictate what these chaperones should have done.

The chaperones or person who purchased the tickets ought to have read the very clear statements about the purpose of this Theatre troupe, about the play and made a choice at that point. Honestly, those in charge were negligent when they hit “buy” for the tickets.

 

[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

The worst teachers i had were the ones that said this is what you must believe.

That would have to be all of them.
Else none could assign a grade for the work done since any answer should be considered just as correct as the one they provided.

I dont think you understand education.

Barnesy:

Ive got no interest in what people do in private as long as they are old enough and they both agree.

Why does age matter?

If you think that young girls should be encouraged to think for themselves about certain things then thats fine. If you think that means they can have sex then thats a problem.

 

[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

Did i say that indiscriminite sex doesnt have a bad affect on society? No i did not.

And yet despite the fact that you see the harm to society, you think it is none of your business what people do?

I can only repeat what i said that as long as it harms noone i have no interest in what people do in private. I guess you do.

 

[Barnesy]

I think that the chaperones did the right thing.

And then the children did the right thing.

 

[Jen95]

Annie:

Barnesy:

Did i say that indiscriminite sex doesnt have a bad affect on society? No i did not.

And yet despite the fact that you see the harm to society, you think it is none of your business what people do?

I can only repeat what i said that as long as it harms noone i have no interest in what people do in private. I guess you do.

You list your religion as “none”, and you come on here to argue with Catholics. Why, I wonder? You seem to have different positions on bedrock moral issues, which are pointless to argue about, unless you’re at least going to acknowledge these different views.

 

[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

Annie:

Barnesy:

Did i say that indiscriminite sex doesnt have a bad affect on society? No i did not.

And yet despite the fact that you see the harm to society, you think it is none of your business what people do?

I can only repeat what i said that as long as it harms noone i have no interest in what people do in private. I guess you do.

You list your religion as “none”, and you come on here to argue with Catholics. Why, I wonder? You seem to have different positions on bedrock moral issues, which are pointless to argue about, unless you’re at least going to acknowledge these different views.

I acknowledge them and i think you are free to hold them and i think you should be respected for them. If you dont want to discuss them then its ok.

 

[Barnesy]

This is what they did.

after the incident, Notre Dame students painted their “spirit rock” in rainbow colors and added the words, “God Loves U” and “Matthew 5:43-48,” which talks about loving one’s enemies.

And you think thats wrong???