Chaperones lead Catholic schoolgirls out from "Nutcracker Suite" performance with same-sex roles, causing criticism, agreement

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It’s just that you have such different ideas, about morality, and people’s actions, and what’s sin, how to raise children, etc.
There’s a lot wrapped up in this incident, and I think you’re dancing around the fact that you seem to not agree with one iota of Catholic teaching, so I wonder why you are spending your time antagonizing people on a Catholic forum. “Shrug”
 
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Apparently the school’s “Spirit of Inclusion” statement is not so inclusive as to include a respect for Catholic moral theology.
 
Barnesy said:
can only repeat what i said that as long as it harms noone i have no interest in what people do in private. I guess you do.
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And yet it does harm people, which is my point. It not only does spiritual harm which you deny the existence of, it does harm which we can see in this world.

So, you admit it causes harm then say you don’t care as long as no one is harmed. Maybe now you can see why I was confused earlier.
 
Yes, because people are being applauded not despite their sin but because of it.

That is a huge problem in a Catholic school.
 
Also, remember that conduct rule #5 states:

Non-Catholics are welcome to participate but must be respectful of the faith of the Catholics participating on the board.
 
Jen95 said:
It’s just that you have such different ideas, about morality, and people’s actions, and what’s sin, how to raise children, etc.
There’s a lot wrapped up in this incident, and I think you’re dancing around the fact that you seem to not agree with one iota of Catholic teaching, so I wonder why you are spending your time antagonizing people on a Catholic forum. “Shrug”
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I agree with almost all catholic teaching. Dont steal. Dont murder. Dont cheat. Dont lie. Be good to your parents. Treat everyone the same. It seems theres very little i disagree with. But one is the catholic attitilude to sex. We seem to have different ideas.
 
Do you believe in the Nicene Creed? That’s often a shorthand version of Catholic teachings.
Sexual morality is a huge difference between traditional morality, and people who have a more “modern” mindset. If you think it’s a small part of overall morality, then I believe you’re mistaken. You seem not to believe in the concept of souls, or sin, or lots of Catholic teachings. I just think you may as well identify yourself as being basically not on the same page (or even on the same book) as most folks here. Why be in disguise and then argue with us? Your behavior is fishy, I think.
 
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Also, remember that conduct rule #5 states:

Non-Catholics are welcome to participate but must be respectful of the faith of the Catholics participating on the board.
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I respect every ones beliefs. There isnt a rule that says i have to agree with them. If you dont want me to disagree then ill stop posting.
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Barnesy:
can only repeat what i said that as long as it harms noone i have no interest in what people do in private. I guess you do.
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And yet it does harm people, which is my point. It not only does spiritual harm which you deny the existence of, it does harm which we can see in this world.

So, you admit it causes harm then say you don’t care as long as no one is harmed. Maybe now you can see why I was confused earlier.
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Yes some knds of sex can be harmful and that is why i keep saying that if it doesnt cause harm then its ok. Thats easy to understand. And i dont believe in spiritual harm so i dont include that. You do so you must. Thats easy to understand as well. So if two men or two women want to have sex or a man and a woman want to do it a particular way then i havent any interest in that at all. As long as they arent harming any one then every one should respect their decisions to do what they want.
 
They are perverts. Just like people who have a disordered lust for opposite sexes are perverts.

Perversion is the opposite of what is normal. Homosexuality is a perversion of rightly ordered sexual inclination, and is called “gravely disordered” by the Church.
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You’re just begging to get suspended at this point.
 
So the Church teaches that the Ordinary Form is inferior to the EO? Because that’s what you said in the thread that was just closed.
 
If you can show me a Church document referring to the Ordinary Form as “inferior”, then I will believe you. Also, if you can show me a Church document instructing us to withhold charity, even in language, from homosexuals, then I will heed its message.
 
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“The Church seeks to enable every person to live out the universal call to holiness. Persons with a homosexual inclination ought to receive every aid and encouragement to embrace this call personally and fully. This will unavoidably involve much struggle and self-mastery, for following Jesus always means following the way of the Cross… The Sacraments of the Eucharist and of Penance are essential sources of consolation and aid on this path.”
- USCCB, Ministry to Persons with a Homosexual Inclination (2006), p. 13

“Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for your selves. For my yoke is easy, and my burden light.”
- Matthew 11:28-30

Pervert is a pejorative and completely contrary to the above.
 
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Barnesy said:
Thats right it wont change as long as catholic schools teach about respect and not excluding people because of their sexual preferences which they have no choice.
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That won’t do anything that isn’t already happening.
 
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I’ve missed any posts that mention this: the portrayal of actions which make bad actions seem good.
Have you seen the show? Does it do this?
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Altho I have not seen the show, the fact that it includes a SS “married” couple is in itself a portrayal of actions which makes bad seem good.
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The other difficulty here is…these kids and their parents paid for the tickets, yes? They travelled from out of town to see this show. The parents of the kids approved it. That’s another sound reason to not round them up and make a hasty exit as the lights dim.
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My understanding is that the students were on a field trip which included this play as one of a few activities rather than the play’s being the sole reason for the trip

As to approval: student brings home a permission slip that says the Catholic school is taking the students to see “The Nutcracker,” do you really think the parents are going to look up the play and make sure it is suitable?
 
Barnesy said:
Ive got no interest in what people do in private as long as they are old enough and they both agree.
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Again, I ask. Why does age matter?

You continue to argue that these kids should make up their minds…that we should not tell them what to believe.

So either we should leave them to think and act as they want…or we should not.

Why then does age matter?
If we cannot tell a child what is or is not wrong, what should be believed, then why does it matter when they act?
 
Barnesy said:
But lots of people dont see any harm from having sex just the way they want it.
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Of course… The Bible of full of examples of Sinners who don’t believe they’re Sinning

Regardless of what they think?

As we know, if they never repent - they stand a strong chance of going to Hell. .
 
Barnesy said:
That would be a moral action.

Every action is either a moral one, or an immoral one. If it is a good then it is moral. If it is a bad, then it is immoral.

Homosexuality is wrong and immoral in all cases, regardless on if you have a problem with it or not, because it goes against the natural law, it breaks with the natural end of sex and union between Man and Woman.

However, because you would dispute with an objective truth by attempting to change the end goal of sex, you would have us Catholic Children that all opinion has weight, which would imply that there are no objective truths. You would, of course, make exceptions for math and chemistry, but that’s because they don’t hurt your life style.
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Almost every one has sex. And they do it just for fun almost all the time. They dont care about having babies they just enjoy doing it. I dont care what you do in private and i dont care what any one else does in private either. If you think theres a natural law then dont break it. Its not like a law against drinking and driving when you can break it if you want because we can all see the damage that can happen. But lots of people dont see any harm from having sex just the way they want it. I dont see any harm as long as your not cheating on someone and your old enough and you both agree.
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Seriously, you think you believe a lot of the same things as Catholics do? I’m afraid you don’t.
 
Barnesy said:
Yes some knds of sex can be harmful and that is why i keep saying that if it doesnt cause harm then its ok.
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So you are saying that sex inside the bounds of heterosexual marriage is ok and the rest is not?

Because what I said was that sex outside of heterosexual marriage harms our society. It is not good for the people involved, either. As I said, it is not good for our society that we are raising our children in so many single-parent homes. Additionally, it is not good for people that we treat sex as a harmless pleasurable activity; hence the skyrocketing STD cases, certain types of cancer, abortion, etc.
Barnesy said:
I agree with almost all catholic teaching. Dont steal. Dont murder. Dont cheat. Dont lie. Be good to your parents. Treat everyone the same. It seems theres very little i disagree with. But one is the catholic attitilude to sex. We seem to have different ideas.
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Of course you believe stealing, murder, cheating, and lying, etc, are wrong: those are very easy to see are wrong because we wouldn’t want them done to us. Almost every society throughout history has been based on those very easy rules to live by.

It’s sort of like saying you are a like a professional mathematician because you can add, subtract, multiply, and divide.

Ahhh… no.

You do not believe in the things that matter, the spiritual things.

You do not believe in the things that are hard, that would require you to give something up that you like or think that lots of people around you are wrong.

Oddly enough, for someone who thinks for himself, your thinking is remarkably like 98% of the people around you.
 
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