Chaperones lead Catholic schoolgirls out from "Nutcracker Suite" performance with same-sex roles, causing criticism, agreement

[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

Are you saying that you cant explain things to children??

Every parent knows that there are many things that a child will not understand.
It is up to the parents, or in this case the chaperone, to understand and make sure the child does not fall into error.

Theres always a reason for telling some one not to do some thing. You dont have to go into details. You say dont do that because you might get hurt. Its pretty easy. Im sure the chaperone told the girls why he wasnt allowing them to see the play and they could then decide if the reason was the right one. It seems they thought it wasnt. Maybe some one said the men in the play were perverts like someone said about gay people earlier and that caused the problem.

 

[EndTimes]

You do the exact same thing.

Of course… Where there’s constant error - there’s a constant need for Correction…

 

[Barnesy]

This is why sex outside of heterosexual marriage is bad; the harm caused by this individual act or that seems very small

You still keep ignoring what i said. I said if no harm is caused then its ok. Not if only a little harm is caused its ok. You see some kind of spiritual harm and thats ok for you. But if someone doesnt believe that doesnt exist then you need to show some other harm is being done. Some things that cause harm can be good for you like when a doctor gives you medicine that makes you sick but cures some thing worse. But If there is no harm then its ok. How can some thing thats harmless be wrong?? That makes no sense.

 

[Annie]

You are totally ignoring the non-spiritual harms I have mentioned at least two times in response to you on this thread.

 

[Barnesy]

You are totally ignoring the non-spiritual harms I have mentioned at least two times in response to you on this thread.

But your not saying that IF it causes these problems then its wrong. You are saying that because some sex causes some problems then nobody can do it. That makes no sense. If two women who have lived together for many years want to have sex you say they cant do it even it it causes no harm. You mentioned stds and cancer and abortion. Thats not a problem at all for two women who have been together for years. But you say they cant do it. What reason can you give??

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

It’s not working.

 

[Annie]

You are saying that because some sex causes some problems then nobody can do it.

I am saying that all sex outside of marriage contributes to the problems caused by sex outside of heterosexual marriage, yes.

Just as each piece of litter contributes to the mess in the last picture.

 

[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

You are saying that because some sex causes some problems then nobody can do it.

I am saying that all sex outside of marriage contributes to the problems caused by sex outside of heterosexual marriage, yes.

Just as each piece of litter contributes to the mess in the last picture.

We can say that each piece of litter is a small harm to the environment. But having sex with some one that your not married to isnt necessarily any harm at all. You arent telling me what the harm is. You mentioned a few things but they dont apply all the time to every body. But you want to say its wrong for every one all the time. Its like saying that because some people get killed in car accidents then no body can drive cars. It makes no sense.

 

[vz71]

But having sex with some one that your not married to isnt necessarily any harm at all.

It absolutely does harm.
It is a grave sin, and can cause a loss of salvation.

 

[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

But having sex with some one that your not married to isnt necessarily any harm at all.

It absolutely does harm.
It is a grave sin, and can cause a loss of salvation.

Calling it a sin isnt explaining what harm is done. And if some one doesnt believe in salvation then that cannot be a harm. Just like doing something that stops you from reincarnating. If i say that drinking tea will stop you from reincarnating then what i say will make no sense to you at all. It cant be a harm because reincarnation doesnt happen. Doesnt that make sense to you??

So what has any one found so far that says nobody at all should have sex at any time unless they are a married man and woman? We have its a small harm which will lead to big harms but nothing about what the harm is. And we have its a sin which doesnt tell us what the harm is. And we have a loss of salvation which means nothing to anyone who doesnt believe in salvation. And we have abortion and stds and single mothers none of which make any sense in lots of cases.

Its a religious argument and all people who believe in that religion should follow that rule. And all those people should tell others that they are worried about them going to hell. If you are worried about me for example then thats great. But if it does no harm and no one can seem to find any thing that can be called a harm that isnt religious then just as others must respect your beliefs then you must repect theirs as well.

 

[vz71]

Calling it a sin isnt explaining what harm is done.

The harm is the sin itself.
Sin separates us from God.

 

[vz71]

It cant be a harm because reincarnation doesnt happen. Doesnt that make sense to you??

No. You are on a Catholic forum trying to claim that going against Church law is not a sin.
That is nonsensical at best.

 

[vz71]

But if it does no harm and no one can seem to find any thing that can be called a harm that isnt religious then just as others must respect your beliefs then you must repect theirs as well.

Children must be brought up to know and serve God. There is not room for less.

 

[Jen95]

Barnesy,
You don’t seem to believe in souls. In sin. In spiritual things at all. How can we explain to you somewhat nuanced concepts when you reject the very basics?

 

[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

Calling it a sin isnt explaining what harm is done.

The harm is the sin itself.
Sin separates us from God.

You are not listening to my argument. It makes as much sense to say to some one that doesnt believe in god that sin separates us from god as me telling you that sin will stop you being reincarnated. If you cant understand that then we dong have any think more to say. But thank you for reading my posts.

 

[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

It cant be a harm because reincarnation doesnt happen. Doesnt that make sense to you??

No. You are on a Catholic forum trying to claim that going against Church law is not a sin.
That is nonsensical at best.

Its a sin for those who believe in the church laws. It obvioulsy isnt for any one who doesnt.

 

[vz71]

You are not listening to my argument.

That we cannot tell children what to believe?

Of course, the idea of sin is meaningless to one that doesn’t believe. So you wish to make children unbelievers as well?

 

[Barnesy]

Barnesy,
You don’t seem to believe in souls. In sin. In spiritual things at all. How can we explain to you somewhat nuanced concepts when you reject the very basics?

Saying sex is harmful is not a nuanced concept. Its easy to explain. Its harmful in a religious sense and i understand that. I never said i didnt. I respect your beliefs that its a sin. But what harm does it do can you tell some one that isnt religious?? No body has an answer so i would say that in some cases there is no harm.

 

[vz71]

Its a sin for those who believe in the church laws. It obvioulsy isnt for any one who doesnt.

And what do you suppose is the effect of not telling children what to believe?

 

[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

You are not listening to my argument.

That we cannot tell children what to believe?

Of course, the idea of sin is meaningless to one that doesn’t believe. So you wish to make children unbelievers as well?

No i dont. I dont want to change any ones religions. I just want to ask if you have reasons apart from religious ones for telling people what they cant do.