Chaperones lead Catholic schoolgirls out from "Nutcracker Suite" performance with same-sex roles, causing criticism, agreement

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Barnesy said:
But what harm does it do can you tell some one that isnt religious??
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Doesn’t matter if they are religious or not, they still have a soul that is harmed and they still have to stand judgement.

Disbelief is not a get out of jail free card.
 
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Barnesy:
Its a sin for those who believe in the church laws. It obvioulsy isnt for any one who doesnt.
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And what do you suppose is the effect of not telling children what to believe?
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You have to tell children what is good for them and what is bad for them. You can tell children that some thing is wrong and then give them reasons. Remember we did this before? Isnt that ok with you?
 
Barnesy said:
You have to tell children what is good for them and what is bad for them. You can tell children that some thing is wrong and then give them reasons. Remember we did this before?
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I remember you claiming we should not tell children what to believe.
Now it appears you are stepping back.
 
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Barnesy:
But what harm does it do can you tell some one that isnt religious??
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Doesn’t matter if they are religious or not, they still have a soul that is harmed and they still have to stand judgement.

Disbelief is not a get out of jail free card.
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It doesnt mean that you can do whatever you want. That would be wrong. And its not if they have a soul or not. You are missing the point i keep making. Its whether they believe they have a soul is important. If they dont then saying their soul will be harmed is not a reason as far as they are concerned. If you dont have another reason thats not religious then you cant expect any one who is not religious to acceot your argument. I have said this so many times i thought you would have understood by now. I really dont know why you dont.
 
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Barnesy:
You have to tell children what is good for them and what is bad for them. You can tell children that some thing is wrong and then give them reasons. Remember we did this before?
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I remember you claiming we should not tell children what to believe.
Now it appears you are stepping back.
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You cant tell someone they have to believe in something. Thats silly. If you had hindu parents and they said you had to believe in hindu gods wouldnt you ask why? Or would you just believe without any reasons? You should tell your children why they should believe in god not that they just should and hope they come to the right decision. They must listen to the reasons. Catholics should be able to tell you the reasons they are catholics not that they are catholics because they were told to believe.
 
Would you say lying is wrong?(and not a small white lie to spare someone’s feelings/embarrassment). I’m talking about lies to trick or deceive someone.
 
One piece of litter is not a harm to the environment. One plastic bag, one cigarette butt, one discarded soda can, one receipt, one candy wrapper, one this, one that…

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We are now exporting our trash.

So stds, porn addicts, broken marriages, kids growing up homeless, inborn babies killed in the womb, all of that means nothing to you?

Back when people pretty much reserved sex for heterosexual marriage, we did not have ads glorifying sex, porn at the click of a finger, soft porn on regular tv, all that stuff.

As sex outside of marriage became more accepted, all these things increased.

As things expand, they become more accepted and the harm more genralized.
 
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humbleseeker said:
Would you say lying is wrong?(and not a small white lie to spare someone’s feelings/embarrassment). I’m talking about lies to trick or deceive someone.
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Most of the time it would be wrong. Not always. Maybe you need to tell a lie to protect some one from a person who wanted to harm them. That wouLd be ok but that wouldnt happen very often. I assume god would forgive you for doing that but not lying to cheat some body out of money for example.
 
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When I was in school, tickets for school groups had to be purchased well in advance, sometimes only when the titles were announced. That one line could have also been thought to be a typo or the synopsis was not read, because, well…the Nutcracker is a cash cow and it’s not often messed with.

.btw, two dad’s can also mean father and step-dad (mother has remarried and both men played a part in raising the child.)
 
Barnesy said:
Most of the time it would be wrong.
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Ok, would you agree that your body can express itself to another in an unspoken language? Like a handshake means hello/goodbye, or a hug expresses affection.
 
Okay. Catholics believe that all people have immortal souls. Catholics believe that by making bad choices, doing bad things (sin), we might be putting our immortal souls in danger. Catholics believe that all people have the very real danger of falling into serious sin, whether the individual person believes in it or not. So regardless of whether a person believes in God, sin, heaven, hell, souls etc, each person is still subject to the same spiritual dangers as practicing Catholics (so a Catholic believes). So you, as a non-believer, might not believe in the harm of fornication, etc, and you may not see any serious spiritual danger there, but most folks on this forum will. Dangers beyond the physical harms of STIs and potential unplanned pregnancy. The psychological harm that can be done when people engage in intimacy outside marriage. The spiritual harm, that we don’t know the extent of, I’m sure, but involve sullying a person’s intimate center with an act that is only supposed to be reserved for marriage.
I don’t expect you to agree, but at least I’ve tried to explain some of the harm. I’m sure others can do better, or add on.
 
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Annie said:
One piece of litter is not a harm to the environment. One plastic bag, one cigarette butt, one discarded soda can, one receipt, one candy wrapper, one this, one that…

We are now exporting our trash.

So stds, porn addicts, broken marriages, kids growing up homeless, inborn babies killed in the womb, all of that means nothing to you?

Back when people pretty much reserved sex for heterosexual marriage, we did not have ads glorifying sex, porn at the click of a finger, soft porn on regular tv, all that stuff.

As sex outside of marriage became more accepted, all these things increased.

As things expand, they become more accepted and the harm more genralized.
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This is a different argument about pornography. Your argument was that all sex between all people who arent married is always harmful. Now you are saying that no one can have sex until they are married because that will mean we get porn on tv. We already talked about stds and abortion and homeless kids and i asked how was that relevant to two women who have lived together for years and you didnt have an answer so i have to assume you didnt have one. But if you think that responsible people having safe sex causes all these problems that you listed then fine.
 
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Okay. Catholics believe that all people have immortal souls. Catholics believe that by making bad choices, doing bad things (sin), we might be putting our immortal souls in danger. Catholics believe that all people have the very real danger of falling into serious sin, whether the individual person believes in it or not. So regardless of whether a person believes in God, sin, heaven, hell, souls etc, each person is still subject to the same spiritual dangers as practicing Catholics (so a Catholic believes). So you, as a non-believer, might not believe in the harm of fornication, etc, and you may not see any serious spiritual danger there, but most folks on this forum will. Dangers beyond the physical harms of STIs and potential unplanned pregnancy. The psychological harm that can be done when people engage in intimacy outside marriage. The spiritual harm, that we don’t know the extent of, I’m sure, but involve sullying a person’s intimate center with an act that is only supposed to be reserved for marriage.
I don’t expect you to agree, but at least I’ve tried to explain some of the harm. I’m sure others can do better, or add on.
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I completely agree with what you said jen. But it doesnt apply to any one who doesnt believe as far as theyre concerned. To say that it always causes harm to everyone every time is not correct. And i do expect you to agree to that.
 
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Barnesy:
Most of the time it would be wrong.
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Ok, would you agree that your body can express itself to another in an unspoken language? Like a handshake means hello/goodbye, or a hug expresses affection.
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I dont mean to be rude but It might be a great idea if you got to the point without me having to sit through a long q and a session. Thank you.
 
How do you know whether or not it causes harm to anyone’s soul? Especially from what I can tell, you don’t believe in souls at all?
I believe it is harmful to anyone’s soul to engage in sexual intimacy outside marriage, and that also happens to be what the Church teaches.
 
Jen95 said:
How do you know whether or not it causes harm to anyone’s soul? Especially from what I can tell, you don’t believe in souls at all?
I believe it is harmful to anyone’s soul to engage in sexual intimacy outside marriage, and that also happens to be what the Church teaches.
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How do you know if being bad means you dont get reincarnated? I assume that question makes no sense to you at all. Your first question makes as much sense to me.

And your second sentence is one that i dont disagree with at all. I know you believe its harmful to the soul and i know its what the church preaches. I respect your beliefs but i dont share them and i respect what the church teaches on this matter but i dont agree with it. I hope you can respect my position as well.
 
I can respect your position, but I’m not the one who is seeking out a Catholic website and then telling people on it that their theology is thoroughly incomprehensible…😆

Time for me to turn in, I wish you all a happy and blessed New year and a lovely “Solemnity of Mary” to all!! Special prayer for Barnesy – it’s not an accident that you’re here, I’m sure!!
 
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