Chicago Catholics Outraged by Hillary Speech

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So much for clear thinking Cardinal George:

"…Despite the Church’s directive, Chicago’s Cardinal Francis George has approved Clinton’s appearance. Mark Schmeltzer, as spokesman for the youth home, told LifeSiteNews that the Cardinal inquired about the event but did not object to it.

“The Cardinal had some very understandable misgivings but he just wanted to be assured this was not a political stop,” Schmeltzer told LifeSiteNews.com.

But some Catholic activists are still angry. Joseph Scheidler, national director of the Pro-Life Action League, is planning to lead a demonstration outside the Clinton event."

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Of course it’s not a political stop, why would anyone be so cynical to think such a thing?😉 She’s most likely considering entering the Church…:rolleyes:
 
Okay - all of us who wrote Archbishop Burke expressing our support for his moral and faithful stance and courage should now write Cardinal George with just the opposite message. I’m tempted to carbon Archbishop Burke…
 
I’m not in much of a mood for defending the cardinal (as I oft do) these days. Really, I’d just assume hang him out to dry for allowing himself to be duped into closing Quigley by his oh so unwise advisors. Not to mention his failure to man up and deal with his own seminarians and faculty in a responsible way which takes personal responsibility (rather than passing the buck and handling everything through intermediary pawns) nor showing pastoral concern for the future faith and vocational development (not to mention professional course for the faculty) of the same. Such a serious malfeasance in a most significant matter is quite scandalous for a notable prince of the Church. So, no, I don’t feel one iota like defending him here. My urge, instead, is to pile on with the rest.

But, that said, I suppose that there is more than meets the eye in this case. Hilary likely was long scheduled for this event to the point that by the time things came to his attention, there was little stopping it. Mercy Home is an important and notable institution with a significant mission in Chicago which they carry out well. It sounds like the cardinal made a call and inquired, “Hey, what in the world is up with this?” It seems that he insisted that the political aspect be played down. And, I suspect, he made no bones about their scheduling of such a speaker being problematic and something which he expects not to happen again in the future. But, at the end of the day, it’s quite difficult to call something like this off without causing even more of a stir and creating even more internal trouble. So, in the end, it went on. But not without some strong conerns expressed.

Joe was right to protest the thing (as he always does), since it was a bad move, ultimately, by the organizers of the event. Oh I’m sure it raised LOTS of money in this heavily Democratic city, and drew well. And it’s nice to have a prominent politican of local heritage stand up and say something supportive of your apostolate, while helping to raise funds. But I don’t suppose that the cardinal exactly failed to address the challenge which it posed (albeit under the table and in a way which allowed Mercy Home to save face), either.

We’d all like to see some public fireworks, but that isn’t always the best manner to handle things effectively, nor necessarily Cardinal George’s style.
 
So, why did “an organization run by Catholic priests,” invite her in the first place?
 
And if the bugle gives an indistinct sound, who will get ready for battle?
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1 Corinthians 14:8

We have a lot of quavery buglers.
 
I often find myself feeling sorry for Hilary Clinton. It must be terribly difficult to not really stand for anything…to sway like a reed in the wind. Seriously. I don’t dislike her…in some ways, I admire her degree of persistence and determination. But, what she lacks is conviction on any account. She wants power for power’s sake, it seems to me. Not necessarily that she wants to change anything…she just wants to be in power. That’s worse than someone who has strong convictions against your own, when you think about it.

Swaying in the wind is much worse, than standing one’s ground, even if it’s immoral. You can’t trust someone who sways with popular support.

All the other issues just get blurred when she’s talking. Just my $.02
 
Strider said:
So, why did “an organization run by Catholic priests,” invite her in the first place?
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Because most of the priests (and people) in the Archdiocese of Chicago are Democrats.

I do not know what is going on with the cardinal. I pray for him alot. I know I do not know even a small fraction of the inner workings of the Church, but the outward , visable results just makes one think “Duuhhhh, what are they thinking? Are these people even Catholic?”
 
whatevergirl said:
I often find myself feeling sorry for Hilary Clinton. It must be terribly difficult to not really stand for anything…to sway like a reed in the wind. Seriously. I don’t dislike her…in some ways, I admire her degree of persistence and determination. But, what she lacks is conviction on any account. She wants power for power’s sake, it seems to me. Not necessarily that she wants to change anything…she just wants to be in power. That’s worse than someone who has strong convictions against your own, when you think about it.

Swaying in the wind is much worse, than standing one’s ground, even if it’s immoral. You can’t trust someone who sways with popular support.

All the other issues just get blurred when she’s talking. Just my $.02
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I agree and I think the fact that she has no identity is the very thing that will stop her from being elected.
 
I’m sorry, but I don’t understand this thread at all.

I’m not a Hilary Clinton supporter, but I am a Catholic in Chicago, and I am a Democrat, also like most of Chicago.

From reading this thread, it seems like most people here think that Democrats are terrible people or something. I don’t get it. It doesn’t seem like a very Catholic to me.
 
ChiFaithful said:
I’m sorry, but I don’t understand this thread at all.

I’m not a Hilary Clinton supporter, but I am a Catholic in Chicago, and I am a Democrat, also like most of Chicago.

From reading this thread, it seems like most people here think that Democrats are terrible people or something. I don’t get it. It doesn’t seem like a very Catholic to me.
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The democratic party supports abortion, embryonic stem cell research and gay rights. Those are only a few of the reasons many people here dislike the democratic party. The Catholic faith stands strongly against each of those issues and Catholics are supposed to follow the faith.
 
Tom317 said:
The democratic party supports abortion, embryonic stem cell research and gay rights. Those are only a few of the reasons many people here dislike the democratic party. The Catholic faith stands strongly against each of those issues and Catholics are supposed to follow the faith.
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And the republican party supports the death penalty, war waging, and has little concern for the poor.

Now…I make that statement being a little bit of a scamp…but to make the point that neither party exactly ‘follows the faith’…nor is it justifiable to make out the democrats as some group of crazy gay loving baby aborting hippies…thats just not fair. It’s a straw man argument made by people who should know better.
 
ChiFaithful said:
I’m sorry, but I don’t understand this thread at all.

I’m not a Hilary Clinton supporter, but I am a Catholic in Chicago, and I am a Democrat, also like most of Chicago.

From reading this thread, it seems like most people here think that Democrats are terrible people or something. I don’t get it. It doesn’t seem like a very Catholic to me.
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I cant say that being a Democrat makes one a terrible person but by its very nature they end up voiting for some very terrible people. People who support killing our children, experimenting on the unborn and believe , among other things, that homosexual behavior is perfectly acceptable… On just about every moral issue they are directly at odds with the teachings of the Catholic Church.
 
frommi said:
And the republican party supports the death penalty, war waging, and has little concern for the poor.

Now…I make that statement being a little bit of a scamp…but to make the point that neither party exactly ‘follows the faith’…nor is it justifiable to make out the democrats as some group of crazy gay loving baby aborting hippies…thats just not fair. It’s a straw man argument made by people who should know better.
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Except you are wrong. Some republicans support the death penalty (which the Church does too btw), they do not support waging war, and it has helped the poor far more then the democratic party has.

Try again.
 
BTW, we better tie these points to Hillary, or else we are off topic.
 
frommi said:
And the republican party supports the death penalty, war waging, and has little concern for the poor.

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. **Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
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Cardinal Ratzinger

It does not appear there is an out for those who support abortion and euthanasia-both central tenants of the demcorat party Platform.
 
estesbob said:
. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.

Cardinal Ratzinger

It does not appear there is an out for those who support abortion and euthanasia-both central tenants of the demcorat party Platform.
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I agree with you Bob, but that was only when he was a Cardinal. He may have changed his mind. :rolleyes:
BTW, we better tie these points to Hillary, or else we are off topic.
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…er…and Hillary’s viewpoints should be outraging Chicago Catholics!
 
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