Chicago Chick-fil-A Kiss-In protesters "chalk homeless street preacher

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Posted by Anne Sorock. Saturday, August 4, 2012 at 7:03pm

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I attended Friday night’s “Kiss-in” protest outside the only Chick-fil-A location in Chicago. The small group of between twenty to thirty protesters gathered outside the restaurant around 7pm.

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While there, a group formed around an elderly African-American homeless man, who was reading his bible while seated along a fence rail off to the side of the protest. Some in the group confronted the man, who was reading the bible aloud, and engaged him in theological debates. A few others took the opportunity to mock the man, which I captured on video:

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Nearing the end of the protest, someone from the group wrote on the sidewalk in front of the homeless man, “He’s Really Gay Deep Down,” with an arrow pointed to where he was seated.

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I think we must be careful to do two things.
  1. We must be careful to avoid painting all GLBT protests with the same brush. Yes, actions such as these do seem increasingly common. We do not, however, hear about protests which involve a more civil expression of disagreement. Let us be careful not to fall prey to confirmation bias.
  2. We must be careful to avoid judging the individual members of this protest two harshly. Mob mentality and group polarization do funny things to people. I’m not suggesting that the protesters be absolved of their responsibility, merely that this indiscretion is probably not representative of the overall person.
With that said, I can state that actions such as these will only become more common. I’m astounded at the speed with which the coming persecution is arriving. Just this past summer it seems to be going into over drive.

How long until all of us who wear public professions of our faith are treated in a similar fashion. It really is past time to abandon our grievances with our fellow brothers in sisters in Christ, along with the other theists. When the hammer falls we’re going to be much happier together than we will be alone.
 
There is no chance at considerate and reasoned discourse with such people. They are so far from Christ’s love and God’s will. They need our love and prayers.
 
MacBP said:
We must be careful to avoid judging the individual members of this protest two harshly.
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A bully is a bully by any other name. These are the same people that are capable of bullying people on the basis of any religion, race or national origin. If their peers do not draw the line, then there will be escalation.
 
He will be rewarded for acting charitably and they will all be punished accordingly. Let us take solace in this.
 
It always saddens and angers me that I see such open displays of intolerance from the homosexualists in real life.
Also, latent homosexuality does not an intelligent argument make!
 
Tenofovir said:
Anyone can say they’re Christian. Is what the KKK doing in line with Christian values?
No. Sorry.

Except right next door in Poland people were losing their lives to save Jews. These were Catholic Christians. And Jews were fine in Europe for over a thousand years. Add to that that the Nazis planned on re-structuring the Christian church in Germany, killed priests without qualms, and murdered 3 million Polish Catholics, I fail to see how what they were doing was in any way supported by Christianity. It’s more likely that the Jewish lack of integration into the German society together with the relative high income of many Jews together with the fact that many secular Jews were Bolsheviks/Communists (which was a rival left wing ideology to Nazism) added more than any perceived hatred toward Jews because of what they may have done to Christ. In any event this would be a wonderful scapegoat yet Jews were not persecuted in Germany before Hitler and not in Poland (but for the Volksdeutsches in WW2= ethic Germans sympathetic to the Nazis) so your logic fails.

Cherry picked false examples.

Good but look at yourself first. Don’t look at OTHER Christians, friend. Study the issue go, maybe travel to Poland and look through the archives and see how for hundreds of years Jews despite not integrating were given safe harbour in a Catholic country, and I’m sure you’ll find most European countries to have been pretty tolerant too otherwise there would not be Rothschilds and others— there certainly were no super rich Jews (or Poles) in Germany for the matter after WW2 started.
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I must say that I am surprised that you found my post to be so disturbing…
It seems that, in your rush to defense, you missed much of the point of it as it relates to the subject of this thread.

We abhor the events depicted in the OP’s links. Some here have posted comments painting all of the “liberals” with this wide brush and label “intolerant” - because of the actions of a few…I don’t know if you feel such comments are justified…but I do not.

We as Catholics and Christians rightly abhor the “Westboro Baptist” mentality. We would not consider doing the things that these people have done and we would rightly be incensed and offended if a “liberal” tried to say these were representative of all Christians. So why do some feel like it is right and fair to make sweeping generalizations about those on the other side of the argument?
That is all I was getting at.

I’ll let any further specific responses go as they would be getting off topic…
It is just good to remember that our own history is not lily white…

Peace
James
 
MacBP said:
How long until all of us who wear public professions of our faith are treated in a similar fashion. It really is past time to abandon our grievances with our fellow brothers in sisters in Christ, along with the other theists. When the hammer falls we’re going to be much happier together than we will be alone.
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I would go even further as say that all peoples of faith would do well to stand together against the intolerance that is being directed at all people of morality by those who wish to attack morality in order to justify immorality. Peter Kreeft in his book Ecumenical Jihad outlined the need for interfaith cooperation against a common problem.
 
Vile. Astoundingly intolerant. “Liberal” indeed. :rolleyes:

Kudos to the man for keeping his cool and being civil. 👍

Through the prayers of the Mother of God, have mery on us and save us. Amen.
 
Et_Cetera said:
There is hateful rhetoric on both sides. I’ve seen way more from the anti-gay groups, personally.
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I guess that depends on how you define “hateful”. Personally, I see that word used mostly when no hate exists. More often it is used to let one feel like a victim instead of accepting responsibility for one’s actions.
 
PJD1987 said:
This is what radical secularism/atheism breeds: hatred, revenge, animosity, misunderstanding, pettiness, cruelty, hypocrisy, bitterness, entitlement.
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AMEN

and lol at the alleged theological debate - should have stated one guy yelling insults at the man reading his bible
 
The gay guy was yelling in the man’s face that he hated his God.

You didn’t see any of this kind of trouble from the people coming out to support CFA because many had small babies with them. Family people. Plus small children. No one was there to start any trouble such as this.

The counter protest consisted of gays men who wanted to insult. They want to kiss each other. I don’t think that in any way will make their cause any better liked by the people they are trying to insult. It just reinforces people to think what Mr Cathy is doing the right thing with his support of groups that are against gay marriage.
 
Et_Cetera said:
There is hateful rhetoric on both sides. I’ve seen way more from the anti-gay groups, personally.
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While I don’t disagree that there are those individuals on both sides who act inappropriately…I find such imprecise statements as this one to be unhelpful to any kind of meaningful discussion.
Consider…What constitutes “hateful rhetoric”?..What defines “anti-gay”? Are these things clearly defined?
The short answer is no they are not. “Hateful rhetoric” and “anti-gay” are editorial comments expressing how one views the comments…The are used to “label” the comment’s of another many times without actually addressing what was actually said…OR (many times) the person’s right to make such comments…

I have no problem with spirited debate - In fact I invite it and embrace it whether I am a participant or an observer…
But Give me facts - clear statements of position - argument and counter argument and let ME decide what constitutes “hateful rhetoric” etc…
Anything else is useless noise that deflects from true and fruitful discussion…

Et Cetera,
While I am responding to your specific post - I do not intend my comments as an attack on you personally…I’m speaking to a general frustration that I see from many people AND many published sources…newspapers and magazine articles that purport to be “factual” yet continually use language that is not factual but editorial in nature…
Your post just presented a succinct opportunity to address the matter.

Peace
James
 
Ysara said:
Something about this scene reminded me on how Jesus was mocked and abused and He forgave his abusers … God Bless that preacher I will include him in my prayers today… he is truely Christian… let the mob have their rant… In the end it was the preacher who stood out and over came their taunts… 👍 Sir whoever you are 😃
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Amen exactly what I was just thinking. 😦
 
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