Chicago Police Arrest Six Iraq War Protesters for Squirting Fake Blood on Easter Churchgoers

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Frond this on the Orthometer blog, maybe I’ll have a t-shirt made with it for my next encounter with peaceniks.

 
Harmony1988 said:
Great to see people’s comments of compassion here. :rolleyes:

‘If they did that in my church…etc’

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Talk about a liberal false sense of compassion!!!:rolleyes:

No, Jesus. It is wise to not confuse the two. Remember His compassion to the moneychangers? He used whips. Is the Church of God a house of prayer or a place to shock people. Yes, I would very compasionate to the children who should not be exposed to such sights. I would be compassionate for the hundreds assembled to worship God, rather than the six brats playing stupid and tasteless pranks. I would rather see the holiness of God protected in this place, rather than the freedom of six criminals who choose to violate the law and the sanctity of God’s house.
 
I’m a bit disappointed in the responses. I agree this was not a good things for these young people to do. It was unwise, unproductive, and basically silly. It wasn’t the worse thing to ever happen in a Church, however. But the posters seem so enambored with the event that they can’t seem to get past an emotional response. Why is there almost no reflection upon how we apply the Truth of God to this situation? Why is there virtually no reflection upon what we ought to do to proclaim the Gospel in this situation? This thread makes me worry for the state of our souls.

CDL
 
Harmony1988 said:
Great to see people’s comments of compassion here. :rolleyes:

‘If they did that in my church…etc’

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I did wonder at some of the responses. The one that said that there would be real blood flowing in his church if this happened there stands out.:rolleyes:
 
GregoryPalamas said:
I’m a bit disappointed in the responses. I agree this was not a good things for these young people to do. It was unwise, unproductive, and basically silly. It wasn’t the worse thing to ever happen in a Church, however. But the posters seem so enambored with the event that they can’t seem to get past an emotional response. Why is there almost no reflection upon how we apply the Truth of God to this situation? Why is there virtually no reflection upon what we ought to do to proclaim the Gospel in this situation? This thread makes me worry for the state of our souls.

CDL
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I agree. Look at how the Amish reacted when their children got slaughtered. They were real role models for Christian forgiveness.

I don’t think we should compare ourselves to Jesus with the moneychangers. I’ve heard that argument many times to justify a strongarm response to situations. We aren’t Jesus.
 
lovesMary said:
I don’t think we should compare ourselves to Jesus with the moneychangers. I’ve heard that argument many times to justify a strongarm response to situations. We aren’t Jesus.
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No one ever said we were Jesus. That’s just silly. I mentioned the behavior of Jesus, which we are commanded to imitate. We are to have the mind of Christ. We should have a righteous anger at blasphemy and sacrilege. You may not like the application in all situations, but the principle is totally sound. If we start to pick which behavior of Jesus and attitude of Jesus we can ignore because we lack divinity, then we might as well throw out the whole Sermon on the Mount.

“Be angry and sin not” applies to all Christians. When we “put on the mind of Christ” we can not choose those things which make us uncomfortable and ignore them.

While sending these people out and beating them to a pulp would be unChristian, strong-arming them out of the Church and prosecuting them to the fullest extent of the law for their sacrilege in the House of God, is not.
 
GregoryPalamas said:
I’m a bit disappointed in the responses. I agree this was not a good things for these young people to do. It was unwise, unproductive, and basically silly. It wasn’t the worse thing to ever happen in a Church, however. But the posters seem so enambored with the event that they can’t seem to get past an emotional response. Why is there almost no reflection upon how we apply the Truth of God to this situation? Why is there virtually no reflection upon what we ought to do to proclaim the Gospel in this situation? This thread makes me worry for the state of our souls.

CDL
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I think that Cardinal George’s immediate response from the pulpit was notable in this regard, concerning the need for peace (just as the resurrected Christ offered) in our lives and world. He even went so far as to thank the protesters for providing the opportunity to call this to attention (and it received an ovation from the congregation.) Video is available on the foxchicago news website.

myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=6112206&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1
 
GregoryPalamas said:
I’m a bit disappointed in the responses. I agree this was not a good things for these young people to do. It was unwise, unproductive, and basically silly. It wasn’t the worse thing to ever happen in a Church, however. But the posters seem so enambored with the event that they can’t seem to get past an emotional response. Why is there almost no reflection upon how we apply the Truth of God to this situation? Why is there virtually no reflection upon what we ought to do to proclaim the Gospel in this situation? This thread makes me worry for the state of our souls.

CDL
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My concern was that these people are pushing the boundaries in our Churches all over the world, obviously seeing how far they can go. It is obvious the adults in these particular peoples’ cases failed them, but society is failing them too. We are becoming more paganistic as a society, and my point was that we will see more of this and possibly with more force and substance.

We can blame ourselves if you want, but our history is full of saints who faught the tide of growing persecution with fortitude, bravery and unrepentant righteous anger. Compassion? Empathy? Yes of course. But I’m no pushover and am increasingly concerned about the rise of these events.
 
chicago said:
I think that Cardinal George’s immediate response from the pulpit was notable in this regard, concerning the need for peace (just as the resurrected Christ offered) in our lives and world. He even went so far as to thank the protesters for providing the opportunity to call this to attention (and it received an ovation from the congregation.) Video is available on the foxchicago news website.

myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=6112206&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1
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Hi chicago,

Are you watching a different video or reading a different account? I saw/heard the crowd applauding as the protestors were removed, then it sounded like Cardinal George said, “yes, we all call for peace.” I didn’t hear him thank the protestors, and the video didn’t show an ovation in response to his thanking the protestors.

If that is what happened, I don’t agree with thanking them. It is one thing to forgive them (“for they know not what they do”) but thanking them doesn’t make any sense at all. There are appropriate ways to make a call for peace known. Disrupting a Mass and squirting fake blood at people is not the way to do it.
 
st_lucy said:
I guess I am not understanding. Isn’t an adult a person who is 18 year and older? Weren’t these criminals over the age of 18? So I am guessing that they are the adults.

Am I missing something?:confused:
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If you are missing something so am I.
These people are adults, you cannot pass the buck and blame other people for their actions. By constantly saying where are the adults it sounds like all young people are running amok and that no parent has done their job.
18,19 20 yrs olds ETC are in Iraq fighting and dying, do you want to ask where are the adults in those cases?
It is plain absurd to keep asking were are the adults. 🤷
 
GregoryPalamas said:
As I said several times many many people have been so pampered that they have not grown up. These people acted childishly. But where are those who acted as adults. Where are the mature leaders who step forward and teach young adults how to become real adults? Where are the challenges to our young people to take adult responsibilities? The future of the Church and the future of each generation depends upon adults who take the responsibility to train the next generation. Hopefully, these young people will be chastened by the punishment that they hopefully will receive but what about all of the other young adults who have grown up without adult guidance? What about these young people? What about the future of the Church in America if we don’t teach youth and young adults how to be adults?

Seriously, is that a hard concept to grasp? Is it not obvious that we have had several generations in our country get chronologically older but who haven’t had the challenges set before them that will help them mature.

CDL
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Boy you can be a snippy one.
People have acted like this for generations, there will always be activists who go way overboard. This is not something new, what it has to do with the absense of Adult supervision ( for the actions of Adults) is a mystery to me. And what does this have to do with the future of The Church? They were not at Mass and then suddenly decide to protest.
 
Nordar said:
If you are missing something so am I.
These people are adults, you cannot pass the buck and blame other people for their actions. By constantly saying where are the adults it sounds like all young people are running amok and that no parent has done their job.
18,19 20 yrs olds ETC are in Iraq fighting and dying, do you want to ask where are the adults in those cases?
It is plain absurd to keep asking were are the adults. 🤷
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No, you are mistaken.You have not read my posts or you would not write such things. They do need to receive the consequences for their crimes but these are not the actions of adults. If you are not your brother’s keeper, congratulations. You are the first person in human history who is not.

CDL
 
Nordar said:
Boy you can be a snippy one.
People have acted like this for generations, there will always be activists who go way overboard. This is not something new, what it has to do with the absense of Adult supervision ( for the actions of Adults) is a mystery to me. And what does this have to do with the future of The Church? They were not at Mass and then suddenly decide to protest.
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As I wrote before “Congratulations”.

CDL
 
I don’t quite follow some of the thoughts in response to this incident.

I saw the coverage on the news and my immediate reaction was “huh?” If indeed their intent was to somehow imply a link between the Catholic Church and/or Cardinal George to the US war policy then their strategy for doing so was so incredibly inept that Sean Hannity himself could not have come up with a plan more likely to discredit their cause!

To me the whole thing smacks of ideological inbreeding of the sort that occurs when people have a certain mindset and isolate themselves with likeminded folk to the point where they lose all track of reality.

I think our best response is to calmly point out that acts of violence are a poor way of going about encouraging peace and that we will pray for them to learn to live according to consistant principles. As for the perpetrators, I’d say a very short sample of jail, a bit of probation (vandalism and assault) and garnished wages until the repair costs are repaid should do. That and the humiliation of living with themselves is plenty of punishment.
 
manualman said:
I don’t quite follow some of the thoughts in response to this incident.

I saw the coverage on the news and my immediate reaction was “huh?” If indeed their intent was to somehow imply a link between the Catholic Church and/or Cardinal George to the US war policy then their strategy for doing so was so incredibly inept that Sean Hannity himself could not have come up with a plan more likely to discredit their cause!

To me the whole thing smacks of ideological inbreeding of the sort that occurs when people have a certain mindset and isolate themselves with likeminded folk to the point where they lose all track of reality.

I think our best response is to calmly point out that acts of violence are a poor way of going about encouraging peace and that we will pray for them to learn to live according to consistant principles. As for the perpetrators, I’d say a very short sample of jail, a bit of probation (vandalism and assault) and garnished wages until the repair costs are repaid should do. That and the humiliation of living with themselves is plenty of punishment.
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Makes good sense.

Now if a good Catholic can get close to them they may be fully redeemed…eventually.

CDL
 
rlg94086 said:
Hi chicago,

Are you watching a different video or reading a different account? I saw/heard the crowd applauding as the protestors were removed, then it sounded like Cardinal George said, “yes, we all call for peace.” I didn’t hear him thank the protestors, and the video didn’t show an ovation in response to his thanking the protestors.

If that is what happened, I don’t agree with thanking them. It is one thing to forgive them (“for they know not what they do”) but thanking them doesn’t make any sense at all. There are appropriate ways to make a call for peace known. Disrupting a Mass and squirting fake blood at people is not the way to do it.
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I think that you are missing both what I and the cardinal were saying.

Firstly, it is the “raw footage” video which you need to watch. Whether that is the one you saw or not, I don’t know. But it offers an actual ability to witness what happened without media editing.

I think you are correct as to the point at which the applause came. However, it was clearly not so much in response to the removal as it was to the cardinal’s comment (following upon the protesters chant, “Even the pope calls for peace” - or words to that sort) when he said, “As should we all!” This was the point at which the applause came.

The cardinal’s acknowledgement of gratitude was a truly Christian response. Was he praising the protesters’ interruption? No. Instead, he was rejoicing even in the rebuke (as St. Paul would advocate) with gratitude in that it provided an opportunity to say something important about peace at this most appropriate time - Easter Sunday, when Christ rose from the dead to give us peace.
 
chicago said:
I think that you are missing both what I and the cardinal were saying.

Firstly, it is the “raw footage” video which you need to watch. Whether that is the one you saw or not, I don’t know. But it offers an actual ability to witness what happened without media editing.

I think you are correct as to the point at which the applause came. However, it was clearly not so much in response to the removal as it was to the cardinal’s comment (following upon the protesters chant, “Even the pope calls for peace” - or words to that sort) when he said, “As should we all!” This was the point at which the applause came.

The cardinal’s acknowledgement of gratitude was a truly Christian response. Was he praising the protesters’ interruption? No. Instead, he was rejoicing even in the rebuke (as St. Paul would advocate) with gratitude in that it provided an opportunity to say something important about peace at this most appropriate time - Easter Sunday, when Christ rose from the dead to give us peace.
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Thanks…in the future, you might want to mention the need to click on a separate link. I didn’t know the raw footage was there and had no reason to suspect it since your link went right to the news video.

You are correct that the raw footage does help put the cardinal’s comments into perspective. It also explains why they chose him as a target. It was not because they would get the best press as some have claimed. One of the protesters mentions (both in the Church and outside) the killing in Iraq and Cardinal George having lunch with (meeting with) President Bush. So, I guess that is further evidence to their lack of intelligence.

I still disagree that applauding/thanking the protestors for their action is a Christian response. It makes sense to be thankful for someone rebuking/admonishing you for something you have done, as St. Paul did. It doesn’t make sense to thank them for being disruptive to Mass and spewing protests to the wrong people. That just incourages idiocy.
 
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