Christian pastors faces death penalty in Iran

[mini_me640]

Probably the same place where Christ advocates child abuse by Priests- nowehere. The reason is that both of these dynamics are sinful actions by individuals and not part of a larger faith.

Have you ever read the Koran?

 

[qui_est_ce]

I wish I had a Quaran with me, I use to own one. I could show you the part I read that supports the killing of Christians and Jews. But they say that I shouldn’t take the translated Quaran seriously. They say you’ll only understand it fully if you read it in its original language.

Yea, I don’t get that. The Bible is translated into every written language in the world, but somehow the Quran is not translatable?

There must be some cultural aspect that Westerners fail to appreciate.

 

[Publisher]

The Holy Qur’an was given in Arabic…it’s words given by God in Arabic…it’s meaning is understood in Arabic…any translation is merely a “commentary”…weak at best in relaying the very words of God which were spoken in Arabic.

As I understand there is depth of meaning in Arabic that loses it’s depth in other languages…each Muslim is to learn Arabic to read the Holy Qur’an in the language it was given in.

 

[qui_est_ce]

The Holy Qur’an was given in Arabic…it’s words given by God in Arabic…it’s meaning is understood in Arabic…any translation is merely a “commentary”…weak at best in relaying the very words of God which were spoken in Arabic.

As I understand there is depth of meaning in Arabic that loses it’s depth in other languages…each Muslim is to learn Arabic to read the Holy Qur’an in the language it was given in.

So you are saying Hebrew, Aramaic, Koine Greek, and Latin don’t have those depths.

Certainly things do lose there meanings in translations, especially humor. But I don’t buy into the explicit words “Kill” cannot be correctly translated.

 

[pnewton]

The majority of imams and the vast majority of muslims do not approve of such actions.

It is not the way of the Holy Father and it is unbecomming of Catholics.

Jesus said, “I am the Way, the Truth…” Do not presume to speak for God. You can only give your opinion of God. Truth should never be afraid to be spoken, even at the risk of death, in this case, or in the case of offense, as you propose. No, a majority of Muslims do not approve of persecuting Christians, but millions do. The majority of Germans were not Nazis, but we still saw a major world war. Unless peace-loving Muslims join in the fight against radical Islam, their peaceful intent remains irrelevant to the threat that a minority of extremists pose.

I would that Christians and Muslims could work together to fight evil in the world, but I do not see it yet. Until Muslims can see that submission to Allah puts them at emnity with evil, even in the Muslim world, their presence is a neutral factor.

Until then, dead is dead.

 

[iamrefreshed]

There are some spicy texts in the Bible as well, as I am sure you know.

Think a little harder. Take a little more time. . . . .

Odd that you would condemn Quran burning in one thread and not mention a word about Muslims killing a Christian for his faith in another. I don’t get your apathy.

 

[ringil]

Sorry, but you are judging the OT with today’s lenses. Take a really good Bible study and you’ll find out what I mean.

And, certainly some may be doing the same regarding the Koran.

The NT has some wild versus as well.

Regarding the authoritative Koran being in Arabic. I guess that’s just part of their faith, just as the Mass used to be in Latin, unti Vatican II. That it is supposed to be understood “officially” in Arabic is vallue free. I am not sure that more liberal muslims hold to this belief. Indeed, some Muslims don’t even accept their Hadiths so there is a heterogeneity of opinion in Islam.

Now if we want to say that the Iranian Ayatollahs are jerks or have been corrupted by terrorists elements, perhaps this could be true, but to say that Islam teaches violence is hogwash and is base.

 

[ringil]

Odd that you would condemn Quran burning in one thread and not mention a word about Muslims killing a Christian for his faith in another. I don’t get your apathy.

I’m sorry that you don’t understand the nature of the posts I make. Your posts puzzle me as well.

 

[iamrefreshed]

I’m sorry that you don’t understand the nature of the posts I make. Your posts puzzle me as well.

I tend to pay more attention to posts mentioning priests aand Catholics in the title.

Oh, I understand the nature of your posts. I just don’t get the apathy.

 

[ringil]

Oh, I understand the nature of your posts. I just don’t get the apathy.

And I don’t get your intensity. You come at the issue like a mack truck.

 

[pnewton]

Now if we want to say that the Iranian Ayatollahs are jerks or have been corrupted by terrorists elements, perhaps this could be true, but to say that Islam teaches violence is hogwash and is base.

I can agree that Islam does not teach, necessarily violence against non-Muslims. But at the end of the day, isn’t it more relevant what Islam is today? Muslims number over a billion. Even a relative small percentage that is willing to kill others is something that we should take as a threat. If only ten percent of all Catholics were willing to kill for their faith, wouldn’t that be a matter of grave concern?

Since the burning of the Koran was mentioned earlier, while it is nothing compared to killing a man, it should be noted that Christians came out against this outrageous demonstration.

 

[iamrefreshed]

And I don’t get your intensity. You come at the issue like a mack truck.

Sorry. I see taking life as a travesty and book burning as an insult. If you equate the two, so be it.

 

[ringil]

I notice that no priests have been accused of this in Iran

Could it be that priests are smarter than to get embroiled in all of this. There are priests in Iran you know.

 

[iamrefreshed]

I notice that no priests have been accused of this in Iran

Could it be that priests are smarter than to get embroiled in all of this. There are priests in Iran you know.

Mmmm. The blame the victim angle.

 

[Seamus_L]

I don’t think we know the complete story of what’s going on with this case. Back in Sept-Oct Iranian Press TV and FARS both explicitly stated that Nadarkhani was not being charged with apostasy, but since then there’s been no mention of his case that I know of. The timing of the story with all the tension over Iran does make me a little suspicious however.

 

[ringil]

Mmmm. The blame the victim angle.

Well what is the difference in the two approaches? It’s a valid question.

I suspect our Protestant brethren could learn something from our Priests of how to minister in Iran.

 

[Publisher]

**So you are saying Hebrew, Aramaic, Koine Greek, and Latin don’t have those depths. **Certainly things do lose there meanings in translations, especially humor. But I don’t buy into the explicit words “Kill” cannot be correctly translated.

How did you draw that conclusion from my post? I’m baffled.

In the writers of Judeo/Christian scriptures never claimed their writings could not be translated into other languages…not so with the Qur’an. The Qur’an is only the Qur’an when in Arabic…it ceases to be the Holy Qur’an in other languages.

 

[qui_est_ce]

How did you draw that conclusion from my post? I’m baffled.

In the writers of Judeo/Christian scriptures never claimed their writings could not be translated into other languages…not so with the Qur’an. The Qur’an is only the Qur’an when in Arabic…it ceases to be the Holy Qur’an in other languages.

I don’t buy the claim that the Arabic cannot be translated. Some innuendo could be lost, but not basic teachings.

 

[Publisher]

I don’t buy the claim that the Arabic cannot be translated. Some innuendo could be lost, but not basic teachings.

You don’t have to “buy the claim”…it’s not your faith tradition…but that is the claim Muslims make for their holy book…the true Holy Qur’an only exists in the Arabic…all “translations” into other languages are “commentary” and not the “true Qur’an”.

What you “buy” or reject doesn’t change that…no translation has the depth of meaning in other languages that the Arabic has for Muslims.

 

[iamrefreshed]

You don’t have to “buy the claim”…it’s not your faith tradition…but that is the claim Muslims make for their holy book…the true Holy Qur’an only exists in the Arabic…all “translations” into other languages are “commentary” and not the “true Qur’an”.

What you “buy” or reject doesn’t change that…no translation has the depth of meaning in other languages that the Arabic has for Muslims.

Acutually, I do not believe all sects of Islam believe the Quran to be “untranslatable”.

I’d have to doublecheck but I do not believe the Sufi or Shia believe so.