Christians--avoid seder meals

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Wow.

Just wondering, but how is this “popular media,” not “other religions?”

Also, are you sure you’re not a theologian? Because any time I hear someone talk about “false worship of God” and “inspired by Satan,” I tend to look for those theologian’s credentials. Until the magisterium says “don’t go to Seder,” which I doubt they would ever do, why not have some Gefilte, a laugh or two with friends, and go home and pray the rosary? Because, you’re Catholic, and you love your neighbor, right?

Right?
 
If your friends were Wiccans, would you partake in their rituals to “love your neighbor?” Loving your neighbor means being nice as a human, who is able to by the grace of God; not partaking of the religious practices of others out of a fuzzy wuzzy conception of love. As I said, if you can’t actively participate in Protestant services, why could you participate in Jewish services? Catholicism is what Judaism was supposed to be. Why look back?

You know what I think this is…the food part. Modern man wants the fun part. It’s like how Protestants would like the Eucharist. It’s something pleasant we get to do that they can’t. If we had confessions during Mass, like the FSSP does (at least in my area), do you think they would be fussing, because they can’t get sacramental absolution? Are they clamoring to have the whole truth we believe? Not getting what others get to do that’s fun bugs modern man, whereas we used to have a healthy sense of borders. I don’t care that I can’t go into the Mormon’s temple. I don’t care that I would not get the same benefits of citizenry in Korea that they get, though we have it pretty good when we do teach English there. The Jews may let us join their seder meals, but we interestingly seem to join that service and not others of the Jews–of post-Biblical Judaism, anyway. Why is that? I don’t think we’d go for the circumcision, if we weren’t already circumcised. We may do it for the infection prevention benefits of it, but not to celebrate in that ritual as something Jesus did. We want the fun part of Judaism. We could do the dreidel around Christmastime, but we get enough candy. I’m just saying that could be a subconscious motive; not the intentions.

Our priests studied theology. I’m not a great quoter, so you really should find that sermon and listen to it.
Sometimes, we have to use reason. You would not expect me to show credentials, as a jury member, for judging the accused. Reason dictates we listen more to obedient traditionalist priests for true common sense, as liberals seem to have succumbed as to Christian guilt and false ecumenical practices, according to Rabbi Yehuda Levin, head of a group of 800 rabbis in the US and Canada (blogs.telegraph.co.uk/damian_thompson/blog/2009/02/12/prominent_orthodox_rabbi_backs_pope_over_lifting_sspx_excommunications).

The Faith doesn’t say you can’t make a church look like a casino (not be one), but it doesn’t make it not hazardous to your spiritual health and it begs the question of the judgment of gatekeepers who allow it. Pope Benedict 16th seems to be taking care of business, but he may have more trouble disciplining liberation theologians, who have broken down healthy boundaries by usurping the charity and ecumenism interpretation so we would go to Hell on the road of good intentions. The SSPX and women ordaining parties, on the other hand, have made themselves easy targets by not being so cunning as to not step on those doctrinal landmines by circumventing the meaning of doctrines through loopholes in their wording. Even EWTN and similar minds are not totally without the see-what-you-can-get-around influence. It’s kind of legalistic, actually.
 
I think it’s worry over something that isn’t to be condemned. Christ was a Jew. The Last Supper was a Seder, so Christians can find meaning in that celebration. We have a shared history.

Our local Catholic channel has some program called The God Squad, hosted by a priest and a rabbi.

If Fadda Corapi doesn’t condemn the Seder I’m on good ground unless someone can prove otherwise, with an equally valid source, like the Vatican specifically forbidding this.

But please. Wiccans have NOTHING to do with those shared rituals. Jews are not pagans. They are our antecedents.

Oh, and PS: The Seder isn’t a service. It’s a meal, held in someone’s home, not a temple.
 
originally posted** by foolishmortal**
He was the transition between the old and the new. He created his new priesthood with a fulfillment of His laws. Until he made a new priesthood, Judaism was still the faith, though Jesus was intending for them to accept it as an evolution of Judaism as had been. He meant for us to do things the new way when he made things the new way
I agree. Is this something new that catholics are attending seder meals in Jewish homes as I have not heard of this. I did attend one years ago at a catholic church which help me to understand Passover but it was more historical than religious in tone.
 
I really think equating Jews and Wiccans is not just using a slippery slope argument, but sledding down it. If you think Catholics should not “participate” in these rituals, what do you mean by “participate”? Do you mean “attend” or do you mean “spiritually engage in a full and complete manner,” as when we participate in the Eucharist through Holy Communion? I don’t think any Catholics attending a Seder at a friend’s house would think “Hey, I am not going to believe in the salvific nature of Christ tonight!” Your sign-off phrase is St. Francis’ great exhortation to evangelize without speaking; how do you plan to evangelize, silently or otherwise, if you don’t actually “participate” in anything explicitly non-Catholic?

One more question: Last year, my uncle, a good, kind man, who was a father, a weekly churchgoer, and a family practitioner who did house calls for twenty-five years, died after a year-long battle with cancer. He was Presbyterian. So, was I wrong to attend his funeral?
 
originally posted by augustineguy
One more question: Last year, my uncle, a good, kind man, who was a father, a weekly churchgoer, and a family practitioner who did house calls for twenty-five years, died after a year-long battle with cancer. He was Presbyterian. So, was I wrong to attend his funeral?
Most of us have relatives who are protestant, many have relatives of many others faiths whom we love dearly and the church has never said we should not attend a funeral service.

The church has never said we can’t go to a synagogue or into a protestant church, in fact, some of the young catholic catechism programs actually take the kids into the buildings to show them what they are and explain how our faith came about.

The church does make a distinction between those things and those that actually regularly participating in other faiths for worship services or for enjoyment.
 
The Seder is not a ‘worship service.’

It is a MEAL, marking the delliverance of the Jews from the destroying angel by the blood of a sacrificial lamb.

It is held in private homes with family.

And it can be very instructive in an historical sense for Catholics to understand the background from which God sent His only begotten Son to save us all by His blood.

To equate witches with Jews is not only incorrect but hostile. The Jews are our bretheren, just as Protestants are our separated bretheren. They, too, believe in God.
 
Since the Jews live in spiritual darkness, which is inspired by Satan,
:rotfl:

Y’know, mate, you sound just like the Protestants when they’re talking about Catholics.

“Oh, those poor, poor backwards people…God help them, He knows their in the grip of Satan!”

And truth be told, I’m not sure why we don’t butcher animals anymore. Oh, I realize the “sacrifice” bit would be a bit superfluous, given the current state of things, what with Our Lord and all, but remember how it was to “send up a pleasing scent to the Lord”?

Seems to me like there’d be nothing wrong with sending God some sweet, savoury smelling scents every now and then…drools…

Hmm! God invented BBQ! I guess we really were made in His image!

Besides, at the price of livestock nowadays, sacrificing and animal would *really *be a sacrifice!
 
The Seder is not a ‘worship service.’

It is a MEAL, marking the delliverance of the Jews from the destroying angel by the blood of a sacrificial lamb.

It is held in private homes with family.

And it can be very instructive in an historical sense for Catholics to understand the background from which God sent His only begotten Son to save us all by His blood.

To equate witches with Jews is not only incorrect but hostile. The Jews are our bretheren, just as Protestants are our separated bretheren. They, too, believe in God.
Amen!👍
Shoot, we had a seder meal every year at our Catholic church.We weren’t pretending to be Jewish. It helped us understand the Old Testament better.
 
The Seder is not a ‘worship service.’

It is a MEAL, marking the delliverance of the Jews from the destroying angel by the blood of a sacrificial lamb.

It is held in private homes with family.

And it can be very instructive in an historical sense for Catholics to understand the background from which God sent His only begotten Son to save us all by His blood.

To equate witches with Jews is not only incorrect but hostile. The Jews are our bretheren, just as Protestants are our separated bretheren. They, too, believe in God.
Yay for common sense! I’m unsubscribing from this ridiculous thread now…
 
mean “spiritually engage in a full and complete manner,” as when we participate in the Eucharist through Holy Communion? I don’t think any Catholics attending a Seder at a friend’s house would think “Hey, I am not going to believe in the salvific nature of Christ tonight!”
You don’t see it coming, if you’re certain people. Some priests got into archaeology, which involved mixing it up with Atheists and started over humanizing Jesus. Malachi Martin said it almost cost Pierre Teilhard de Chardin’s faith and characters like the one in “The Exorcist: the Beginning” were based on real archaeologist-priests like him. You have ones who almost lose their faith in making their parish services all interreligious. People don’t say what needs to be said in fear of offending their Jewish and Protestant friends. I even visited a religious house, which is not traditionalist, where that concern was brought up by two of the religious, regarding the case of Bishop Williamson and his Halocaust opinion scandal. Even a prominent Orthodox Jewish Rabbi said the Christian guilt of the liberals in high places, who freaked out about reinstating the excommunicated bishops, is unnecessary. I think that spilled into the parishes. There are some who mix Christmas and Hannukkah (sp?) for kids of a Jew and a Christian. It’s unnecessary. The Jews don’t cut animals’ throats while confessing so what are we doing thinking we’ve got the real Pasch reenacted? I bet Jesus and his Apostles did that.
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No one still has answered the question about why not reenact the other services of the Jews?     Come on!  It's the food, right?
Your sign-off phrase is St. Francis’ great exhortation to evangelize without speaking; how do you plan to evangelize, silently or otherwise, if you don’t actually “participate” in anything explicitly non-Catholic?
Well, I can read about it. We can evangelize by walking around holding a rosary and by serving others. I’ve read nothing about attending their regular services and singing along. If you approached a Buddha statue in Japan, would you make a stack of rocks or bow to the statue to evangelize?

BTW I didn’t say that Judaism is like Wicca. You missed the theme of the comparison and there can be two equally right themes, but you missed any or all of them. You can’t do public reading or sing a long at non-Catholic services. I wouldn’t even go to a sedevacantist mass, and I prefer not to attend SSPX Masses, but I don’t liken any of them to pagans. Am I comparing them to each other ecclesially? No. I’m likening them to each other as schismatic to some degree. I bet most who do these seder meals have no interest in attending a Latin Mass, especially of those living as if Vatican 2 never happened or denying it, though many of our saints celebrated that way. They said “Our blood be on us and our children” in the Good Friday passion Gospel reading of the tridentine liturgy, but I bet you won’t be having any of that. Likewise, Jews and Pagans can be paired together as non-Christian. It’s funny how reactionaries can be on the left as well as the right. It’s interesting how many snapped at me about that without considering why I put the two together. I mean, if it were one, then I’ve done that before, but more than one is a Christian-guilt freak-out fest. Was it like, traditionalist…hmmm, typical right-wing unecumenical traditionalist?

Whenever you have things repeated in a ritualistic way, something of as creed is going on. You might want to make sure you have the Mass down as Obama’s reign may have us in houses doing secret Masses. I think we should reenact Christ’s new meal of The Sacrifice as The Faith is what Judaism should have been. We shouldn’t see it as one thing happened and then another.
 
He was the transition between the old and the new. He created his new priesthood with a fulfillment of His laws. Until he made a new priesthood, Judaism was still the faith, though Jesus was intending for them to accept it as an evolution of Judaism as had been. He meant for us to do things the new way when he made things the new way. Since the Jews live in spiritual darkness, which is inspired by Satan, the Jewish **Passover is a rite created once by God, but perpetuated by Satan after Christ made all things new. Besides, why aren’t you putting lamb’s blood on your doors? **Why not still bring our best stuff to church. We could have farmers cutting their thoroughbreds throats on the altar. Isn’t that what they did in Jess’s day at the temple (maybe I’ve got the wrong event) or are we doing the non-Biblical pointless passover not instructed by God or valid authorities? Why are you all being so picky about the Jewish rituals in which you intend to participate? If you go to a Jewish event and you do more than watch, you’re supporting false worship of God. You can’t do that at Protestant services. I rest my case. It’s interesting how people will go to those, but not to Latin Masses, which are not false worship. If you participate in Jewish services, why not participate in Adventist services and see how it was like before Vatican 2, as they don’t just do Prue-Vatican 2 rites, they live as if it didn’t happen and popes since Bl. John RD didn’t get validly elected. Why so picky?

The only Passover for us is what we get in the Gospel reading on Holy Thursday and the piece of it said every Mass time. Let us rejoice.
We Satanic Jews also forgot to put lamb blood on our door posts. Of course Satan in Judaism is different from the Satan of Christianity so now I’m totally confused.
 
We Satanic Jews also forgot to put lamb blood on our door posts. Of course Satan in Judaism is different from the Satan of Christianity so now I’m totally confused.
I don’t know enough about it to agree or disagree re. our concept of Satan, but can guarantee there’s a whole lot of weirdness on this site from Christians.Don’t pay too much attention to it.
 
Jesus changed the service and made all things new. Doing an outdated service denies that. Merely watching a Jewish service is not bad, but pointless, for reasons listed below. If you want to learn about salvation history, read a book, preferably by TAN or Roman Catholic Books, but there’s “How Christ Said the First Mass” also.

Besides, after their last temple was destroyed and their records were also ruined, biblical Judaism was over. They added rites and books not commanded or endorsed by God, so it’s not really real, anyway.
Sorry, but that’s just wrong. For a Catholic to participate in a seder service is an act of thankful remembrance of God’s deliverance of Israel from bondage in Israel. No more, no less. And it helps us to understand the origin of the mass. No violation of the first amendment (we are, after all, thanking God the Father, not some other god).
 
Sorry, but that’s just wrong. For a Catholic to participate in a seder service is an act of thankful remembrance of God’s deliverance of Israel from bondage in Israel. No more, no less. And it helps us to understand the origin of the mass. No violation of the first amendment (we are, after all, thanking God the Father, not some other god).
Doesn’t violate any of the Commandments either.😉
Seriously, good comment. Reassuring to see balanced folks on this site.
 
Hmm, I don’t know the full truth about this one.

When I was in Catholic elementary school, they had us act out a sedar meal. They said it was ok because it would be imitating the life of Christ, since he was Jewish and participated in sedar meals.

Now, since Christ, however, the Jewish people do not believe Christ is the Savior. Also, Christ instituted the Eucharist and commanded us to celebrate His Body and Blood in remembrance of Him, from the Last Supper on; hence, the name “Last Supper” because it was the last Passover meal.

Now, is it right to even act out a sedar meal? I know that participating in a sedar meal is wrong because they told us that, but I feel like it may even have been wrong to act it out.

I think it may be wrong because we are no longer waiting for the Christ’s first coming. His Body and Blood were given to us so that we would celebrate something new in Him. To celebrate a sedar meal, even to act it out, is sinful in my opinion now, because we should not feign the Passover in light of the Eucharist. Thank you for this post.
 
Who is the ‘they’ who told you that participating in a Seder meal is wrong? Acting it out even might make sense in an historical context as a learning tool.
 
Who is the ‘they’ who told you that participating in a Seder meal is wrong? Acting it out even might make sense in an historical context as a learning tool.
Exactly.
The Passover was celebrated for many years before Christ came.We know what happened next. We are no longer waiting for the Messiah.But we can learn more about what transpired beforehand.Knowledge is good.Acting things out is a tremendous way to teach kids.And there are a huge number of Bible- illiterate folks out there.
 
Learning about Jewish history and custom is one thing, but participating in an actual or feigned (for learning purposes) sedar meal is a sacrilege to the Christian Faith. That is what my elementary school teachers taught me; however they were mistaken in permitting acting it out. We can read a book about it, but to participate in it, as Christians who believe that Christ has come and who gives us His Body and Blood daily in the celebration of Mass, it is a sacrilege to our Faith. This is just as participating in non-Catholic Christian celebrations is as well: if we do anything that contradicts what the Church does, then we are transgressing. As was originally stated on this thread, it does violate the First Commandment.
 
I doubt it; their God is still our God.

In the middle of my Tiber swim I attended a Seder. No one there wore horns or a tail and I assure I did not sprout them either. 😛
 
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