Church Security & Legally Armed Parishioners

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Please cite the post where I said anything about suing the bishop.
 
And I’ve said nothing about suing any bishops. Perhaps the poster is confusing me with someone else.
 
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Is it God’s will if something goes wrong if there are “many guns in a crowd” ?
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I cannot speak for God’s will. However I believe God intends we do what is morally good and this will lead to a peaceful world. Evil in the world is much studied by philosophers. I believe God permits evil but does not will it.
 
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Actually, you responded to me with the word “sue”, but given the context of the post, I presumed you meant to write “sure”. It did confuse me at first.
 
That’s the one. I think it was a typo though. He was responding to me and I think he meant to write “Sure.” Not “Sue.”
 
Typo, exactly. And a verb without a subject or a direct object, i.e. “bishop.” Should be obvious to anyone. Big deal.
 
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It wasn’t “obvious to anyone”. I’ve been a teacher for 13 years, so I’m used to interpreting the mistakes of young children. If it wasn’t “obvious” to you when you typed it, why should it be “obvious” to anyone else? If you make a mistake when writing it’s your own fault when people don’t understand you.
 
You never make typos, then? And if you make them here, it’s right for others to flame you for it?
Give it a rest.
 
Get over it. Or not. I don’t care.
The flamers here. Wow.
Muting thread now.
 
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Who is “flaming” you? You’re acting incredibly over-sensitive. You expect others to figure out your typing errors automatically? If I make a typing error that causes a misunderstanding of what I meant to say, I’m not going to blame it on other people!
 
Again, the pull trigger and someone dies is a hollywood thing. Can people die from being shot, absolutely, but the odds are that if shot, you will live.

The only time someone is going to pull a trigger on a gun is if there is a threat of death to others in the church. Any other time it will simply be an object on their person or in a purse.

If there is a threat of death posed by someone coming into the church meaning harm, then everyone is already in danger of being injured or dying until the threat is stopped. A gun possessed by someone meaning no harm is no threat at all.
 
Can a gun do harm, yes. Are there hundreds of millions of guns that do no harm in this country every day. Yes.

Do a few guns do harm on any given day? Yes. No different than knives, or clubs, or cars, or hands or other objects.

If you drive a car, stop. You may kill someone, intentionally or not. Not worth the risk to the rest of society.

Too many folks live with unjustified fear of guns, yet ignore lots of other things in this world that they are more likely to die from. Crazy IMO.
 
Such an error can easily occur. At least posting mistakes don’t result in killing an innocent person. Do you like how I brought the topic around? 😆
 
It’s not that we fear guns. It’s just that we are look at the data and see that the US is far above all industrialized countries with regards to homicide rates. That we see that these mass shootings occur more in the US than anywhere else.

Anti gun control folks like to point out that if gun sales are more restricted, only criminals will have guns. That’s true, but criminals with guns typically use them against other criminals. Almost without fail, the guy who goes postal and opens fire in a crowd does not have a criminal record.

The folks who have an unjustified fear if guns are not those who do not want people carrying in their church, rather it the people with CCL who think they are unsafe any time they are not armed. That is the unjustified fear of guns. And maybe it’s just me, but people that paranoid are exactly who I don’t want walking around with a gun.

Find a society where everyone walks around armed for self-defense and I will show you a society that is, to some extent, uncivilized.
 
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I’m with the people who don’t want guns in churches. I don’t own a gun and I don’t feel threatened at church or in my community. But again, knowing there is crime as a Catholic I would rather be a victim then kill someone even if in self-defense. So, if there was a mass shooting at my Church, which I find unlikely since Catholics aren’t typically the target of shootings and my community hasn’t had a mass shooting, and I were to be killed I agree with the people who would forgive and know at least they died in such a Holy place in the company of other Holy Catholics.

My overall position on guns is it’s a state rights issue. So, let the state and the regional culture decide. I live in a State not known for guns or gun ownership. No open carry allowed in my state and I wouldn’t want that. But, again, it’s a regional issue and that’s why I live in my state and not another state.
 
Does everyone know that our problem with mass shooting has a little “m?” I can’t recall a single Mass mass shooting. When there is one, then divide by 17,000 to see the odds of a shooting at your Church, divide by the number of Masses, to get the odds of being in a place where such a shooting might take place.
 
Yes, earlier in the thread, I gave a much more broad statistical analysis in order to give the gun folks the benefit of the doubt, it still resulted in the fear being nothing short of paranoia.
 
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