Cindy Sheehan

[Jay74]

Jabronie:

Remember, just because the Iraq invasion turned out to be unecessary, doesn’t mean that it’s unjust.

A gentelman who used to sell furniture for my father was a cop years before. He shot and killed a man once who he thought had a gun. In fact, the man turned around and pointed his fingers at him trying to make him think he had one – collossally stupid move. It turns out shooting him was unnecessary, but based on the information Paul had, he was blameless.

Saddam never proved that he dismantled his weapons, despite dozens of opportunities. Given that, and given a well-documented history of funding al Qaeda terrorists, Bush could not take the chance that a terrorist-enabler had nuclear weapons to give them. Sure, based on what we know now, it may have been wiser to deal with Iran or North Korea instead. But the decision couldn’t be made on what we know now, it had to be made baed on what we knew then.

I’ll continue to pray for Cindy. But I’m not going to support efforts to bring our troops home until the job we started in Iraq is finished. I hate seeing our soldiers die, but I’d rather the terrorists run into the marines in the middle east than civilians in the midwest. Every terrorist we kill or capture in Iraq is one less that can make its way here.

Blessings.

 

[fix]

Steve O'Brien:

The reason why Pope John Paul II sent Cardinal Pio Laghi to Washington to speak with President Bush in March 2003 was to persuade the President not to launch an attack on Iraq. The reason why the Pope didn’t want the United States to attack Iraq was his prudential judgment that such an attack didn’t meet the Church’s criteria for a just war (Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 2309). Consequently, it was the Pope’s judgment that this invasion constituted an unjust war.

In pointing out that the concept of “preventive war” doesn’t exist in the new catechism, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was implying his agreement with John Paul II’s judgment. Nor has Benedict XVI said anything that indicates that he subsequently changed his mind on this point.

Please read Cardinal Pio Laghi’s statement dated March 5, 2003:

vatican.va/holy_father/special_features/peace/documents/peace_20030306_card-laghi-usa-meeting_en.html

Keep and spread the Faith.

I do not see where the statement claims the war was unjust?

 

[Eden]

FAIRFIELD, California (AP) – The husband of Cindy Sheehan, the mother camped outside President Bush’s Texas ranch to protest the death of a son in the Iraq war, has filed for divorce, according to court documents.

Patrick Sheehan filed the divorce petition Friday in Solano County court, northeast of San Francisco. His lawyer did not immediately return a call seeking comment Monday.

The couple’s eldest child, Casey, 24, was an Army soldier killed in April 2004.

Cindy Sheehan has said the stress of the death led to the separation of the couple, who were high school sweethearts.

More:
cnn.com/2005/US/08/16/peace.mom.ap/index.html

 

[Steve_O_Brien]

Jabronie:

Remember, just because the Iraq invasion turned out to be unnecessary, doesn’t mean that it’s unjust.

From the standpoint of Catholic moral theology, a war that is unnecessary is ***automatically ***unjust. Please see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, sections 2307-2309.

Keep and spread the Faith.

 

[Richardols]

Eden:

Cindy Sheehan has said the stress of the death led to the separation of the couple, who were high school sweethearts.

Terribly sad to see this tragedy come on the heels of the loss of their son, but there has to have been more than the stress of the death.

One might understand a separation happening from the stress, but the sudden filing for divorce seems to indicate deeper reasons for this to have happened to a Catholic couple.

 

[MichaelTDoyle]

Steve O'Brien:

From the standpoint of Catholic moral theology, a war that is unnecessary is ***automatically ***unjust. Please see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, sections 2307-2309.

Keep and spread the Faith.

How do you define unnecessary?
How many have to die in the Sudan for to deem it necessary to stop murder and oppression?

And how is it just to leave Saddam and co in power? Knowing the extent of their evil?

 

[Steve_O_Brien]

fix:

I do not see where the statement claims the war was unjust?

Pope John Paul II wouldn’t have sent Cardinal Laghi to Washington to try to prevent the United States from invading Iraq unless the Pope believed that such an invasion would constitute an unjust war.

Keep and spread the Faith.

 

[Eden]

FAIRFIELD, California (AP) – The husband of Cindy Sheehan, the mother camped outside President Bush’s Texas ranch to protest the death of a son in the Iraq war, has filed for divorce, according to court documents.

Patrick Sheehan filed the divorce petition Friday in Solano County court, northeast of San Francisco. His lawyer did not immediately return a call seeking comment Monday.

The couple’s eldest child, Casey, 24, was an Army soldier killed in April 2004.

Cindy Sheehan has said the stress of the death led to the separation of the couple, who were high school sweethearts.

More:
cnn.com/2005/US/08/16/peace.mom.ap/index.html

I didn’t high-jack the thread with this, by the way! I started it as a separate thread and it was moved here. It seemed to me to be a completely different topic but I was wrong again!

 

[fix]

Steve O'Brien:

Pope John Paul II wouldn’t have sent Cardinal Laghi to Washington to try to prevent the United States from invading Iraq unless the Pope believed that such an invasion would constitute an unjust war.

Keep and spread the Faith.

That is your conjecture. What was said to Bush was never released and the carefully worded statement in no way claims the war was unjust or bound anyone’s conscience. We should be clear as to what we attribute to the late JPII.

 

[estesbob]

Steve O'Brien:

Pope John Paul II wouldn’t have sent Cardinal Laghi to Washington to try to prevent the United States from invading Iraq unless the Pope believed that such an invasion would constitute an unjust war.

Keep and spread the Faith.

Nonsense. You dont know that. As we have pointed out before John Paul II was not a shy man-he backed down the communists , for instance. If he thought it was an unjust war he would have said so. I fine it very disturbing that you are puting words into John Paul the Greats mouth.

It appears Mr. Obrien that your definition of an unjust was is any war you find unjust.

 

[estesbob]

TPJCatholic:

So, what exactly is wrong with a citizen trying to hold their elected President accountable for his decisions? There are valid reasons for Sheehan to be upset–why is it wrong for her to demand satisfaction from the President regarding a situation that he personally put us in?

Sorry, but Bush is hiding from the realities of what has happened in Iraq and there is nothing morally wrong with people calling him on that truth.

There is nothing wrong with Cindy Sheehan expressing her opinion-just as there is nothing wrong with us expressing an opinion about what she says. The left(read Maureen Dowds column on her, for instance) seems to beleive that becuase she lost a son she is above criticism. Well thats certainly not true.

 

[Jeffrey]

I know… and it is unfortunate that ppl believe those things.

MikeWM:

Maybe she genuinely believes those things and has finally found an outlet to make her views known. Whatever we think of these things, she is certainly not alone in these views.

Mike

 

[Sirach14]

More on Cindy Sheehan.

washtimes.com/commentary/20050815-101643-1896r.htm

 

[Marie]

gilliam:

Looks like her husband’s had enough

michellemalkin.com/archives/003250.htm

Yes! He has filed for divorce.

washtimes.com/national/20050815-115227-9130r.htm

Mrs. Sheehan has told reporters that her husband and her three surviving children all supported her position, but suggested her husband’s views on the war and Mr. Bush were not as extreme.
Members of her husband’s family have criticized her. Last week, Casey’s aunt and godmother, Cherie Quararolo of Kelseyville, Calif., and others in the family sent e-mail to a California radio station that challenged Mrs. Sheehan’s motives.
“We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She appears to be promoting her own personal agenda at the expense of her son’s good name and reputation,” the family members said. “The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our president, silently with prayer and respect.”
People who call the phone number listed for Patrick Sheehan in Vacaville reach a recording of a male voice: “Please be advised Cindy is not available at this number.”

 

[Sirach14]

“Does anyone really believe that, having rewarded the terrorists, Israel will see less terror against Israel in the future?”

washtimes.com/commentary/20050815-101643-1896r.htm

 

[Cactus]

It’s a shame that this grieving mother who has flipped her lid is being exploited by the lefties and the media.

 

[stellina]

gilliam:

You all need to read this:

msnbc.msn.com/id/8941525/site/newsweek/

Very powerful - and to think it came from Newsweek?

My parents’ pastor met the president last year when he came to our city. He was part of some interfaith group, but he was the first to walk over to Bush and asked to pray with him, which they did. There was a great picture in the local paper of them holding hands & bowing their heads together. This priest came away really believing that Bush is sincere about his beliefs and trying to do the right thing.

Whether he did or not is for history to decide, but in the meantime a lot of our soldiers are willing to follow him and risk their lives because they also believe that they are doing the right thing. The same was true of the ones that were killed in Bosnia, yet no one seems to remember them or question the motives of the president who sent them to their deaths. Where were the protesters then? Did Clinton meet with the Gold Star mothers and did we hear about it? Maybe these things did happen, but I just don’t recall the same degree of public anger being splashed across the headlines day after day. I just wonder what explains the difference.

 

[gilliam]

Well worth the read

**In defense of Cindy Sheehan **

jewishworldreview.com/0805/graham081705.php3

Here is how it ends:

But what do you expect? She’s suffered what, for me, would be an unimaginable, unbearable loss. The real news in the Cindy Sheehan story is that there aren’t 1800 more of her standing outside the gates in Crawford.
What I find incomprehensible is that 1800 other mothers and fathers somehow found the strength to bear their loss with dignity and respect for the legacy of their sons. That is a story worth commenting on.

 

[Fitz]

I agree with the writer that it is surprising that there are not 1800 other parents or spouses of our brave fallen soldiers to join Ms. Sheehan. Even her family has separated themselves from her. She will need all of our prayers. She is grieving in a public way and perhaps not the most healing way. Some are taking advantage of her and pushing their cause. I wonder if they will be there for her when she crashes.

 

[Jeffrey]

I agree with this part…

What I find incomprehensible is that 1800 other mothers and fathers somehow found the strength to bear their loss with dignity and respect for the legacy of their sons. That is a story worth commenting on.

BTW: She has her own agendy IMO. Her family ppl that know her have stated that she has always been liberal, but that her son was not. She is using this to let everyone know how she feels. Well… we all know now… please go home.

Fitz:

I agree with the writer that it is surprising that there are not 1800 other parents or spouses of our brave fallen soldiers to join Ms. Sheehan. Even her family has separated themselves from her. She will need all of our prayers. She is grieving in a public way and perhaps not the most healing way. Some are taking advantage of her and pushing their cause. I wonder if they will be there for her when she crashes.