Cindy Sheehan

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brockmac:
I only wish that Mrs. Sheehan would point the finger of blame for her son’s death squarely where it belongs. Right at the murderers who set off the IED that killed him. I believe her son is a hero, just as the other 1800+ who have given their lives for the freedom of the Iraqi people. I pray that the Iraqi forces will be trained soon so that our soldiers and marines can come home with their heads held high knowing that they were a part of something noble and positive. That said, I do think that it would have been better for all involved if President Bush had invited Mrs. Sheehan and Mrs. Sheehan alone (no reporters or entourage) to the ranch house to let her speak her mind as soon as he became aware she was at the gate. Perhaps, as an act of compassion, and recognition of her loss, he could have offered to pardon her for the tax liens that some in this forum have aledged to be held against her home. If he had done this immeadiately, it would have been viewed as an acto of compassion, but if he does it now it wll look like he is caving in.

In closing I pray for Mrs. Sheehan, that God may console her in her grief, for the President that he may be guided by Divine wisdom, and for all those serving in Iraq that they may come home soon after completing their mission.
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For the most part I agree, especially about praying for this woman’s grief.

I dont’ think Bush needs to meet with her, considering her met with her already last June (two months after her son was killed).
 
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45786
Cindy’s husband seeking divorce
Patrick Sheehan files paperwork to split from anti-Bush protester
Posted: August 15, 2005
4:20 p.m. Eastern

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

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Cindy Sheehan

In the midst of global media attention as she camps outside of President Bush’s Texas ranch, anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan can likely expect to be served soon with divorce papers from her husband.
More for us, as Christians, to pray about.
 
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YinYangMom:
wow, what a Catholic way to respond to a wife’s misguided grief. 😦
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We don’t know all the details. What we do know is that Casey was a noble soldier who bravely sacrificed his life for liberty. If his mother succeeds, it would make him a “misguided solider who foolishly sacrificed his life for a lie.”

She needs help and our prayers.
 
Pray for this misled, mentally damaged, and exploited woman. Her “cause” has cost her her family and degraded the memory of her heroic son.
 
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Jabronie:
Pray for this misled, mentally damaged, and exploited woman. Her “cause” has cost her her family and degraded the memory of her heroic son.
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I don’t see any evidence that she is mentally damaged beyond that damage caused by grief. She has an agenda, that is obvious. She is using her son’s death to further an agenda she had before he died, that is also obvious. But she does not seem to be mentally damaged… except by grief, but that would damage anyone. No, she knows what she is doing.

My objections are in what she is doing, but I will keep my objections to myself right now.
 
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gilliam:
I don’t see any evidence that she is mentally damaged beyond that damage caused by grief. She has an agenda, that is obvious. She is using her son’s death to further an agenda she had before he died, that is also obvious. But she does not seem to be mentally damaged… except by grief, but that would damage anyone. No, she knows what she is doing.

My objections are in what she is doing, but I will keep my objections to myself right now.
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Mentally damaged by grief is what I mean. I know that if I lost a child (not that I have any) I sure wouldn’t be of “normal” mental capacity. Then you have people like Michael Moore and the Moveon.org fools encourage her behavior. She needs our prayers, but for her loss and her mental health.
 
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YinYangMom:
wow, what a Catholic way to respond to a wife’s misguided grief. 😦
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YYM, I don’t understand your post. Are you referring to the anger expressed by some of the posters? A lot of posters are angry with her, yes, but are also praying for her. I believe that she is grieving for her son but I think that she is also seizing the opportunity to fight for her “cause.” I think, also, that probably a lot of other grieving moms of soldiers aren’t too happy with her for saying that their children’s lives were for nothing.

I heard her say that she hopes that President Bush does not meet with her because it would kill the momentum. That’s a bit deceitful, wouldn’t you say?
 
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Jabronie:
Pray for this misled, mentally damaged, and exploited woman. Her “cause” has cost her her family and degraded the memory of her heroic son.
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Pope John Paul II, who tried to prevent the U.S. government from invading Iraq, said that “war is a defeat for humanity.” Pope Benedict XVI, when he was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, pointed out that the concept of “preventive war” simply doesn’t exist in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Were these Popes misled, mentally damaged, and exploited?

Please note these words of Jesus:

**“For I have come to set
‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
and a daughter-in-law against her
mother-in-law;
and one’s enemies will be those of his
household’” (Mt 10:35-36; 1986 NAB)

Keep and spread the Faith.
 
Steve O'Brien:
Pope John Paul II, who tried to prevent the U.S. government from invading Iraq, said that “war is a defeat for humanity.” Pope Benedict XVI, when he was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, pointed out that the concept of “preventive war” simply doesn’t exist in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Were these Popes misled, mentally damaged, and exploited?

Please note these words of Jesus:

"For I have come to set
’a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
and a daughter-in-law against her
mother-in-law;
and one’s enemies will be those of his
***household’" (*Mt 10:35-36; 1986 NAB)

Keep and spread the Faith.
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In case you didn’t notice. The Vatican doesn’t want us to leave Iraq now until the country can hold its own, and the Vatican wants the country to be a democracy. You news is old.
 
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gilliam:
In case you didn’t notice. The Vatican doesn’t want us to leave Iraq now until the country can hold its own, and the Vatican wants the country to be a democracy. Your news is old.
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I couldn’t find any citation in which the Pope or any Vatican spokesperson officially states that the U.S. occupation of Iraq should continue.

What I did find was a news report in which Archbishop Giovanni Laojolo, the Holy See’s secretary for relations with states, is quoted as advocating United Nations involvement in Iraq. I’m posting it below.

After the immediate termination of the immoral and illegal U.S. occupation of Iraq, if a genuine Iraqi government wishes to exercise its option to call on the U.N. Security Council (or the Arab League) to send in peace-keeping troops from other Muslim nations to keep a lid on things for the time being, then I’m all for that option.

What is imperative, however, is that U.S. troops be brought home from a country that they should never have invaded and occupied. After bringing our soldiers home alive, our government should also pay reparations to the long-suffering people of Iraq for the unjust acts that our military has perpetrated in Iraq in your name and my name.

Keep and spread the Faith.

***Vatican will back UN mandate in Iraq

Vatican, May. 18, 2004 (CWNews.com) - The Holy See will back a UN resolution calling for a greater UN role in Iraq, the Vatican’s top foreign-policy official has disclosed.

Archbishop Giovanni Laojolo told Vatican Radio said that the Holy See also support “the quickest possible transfer of powers in Iraq.”

In an interview broadcast on May 18, the archbishop reported that he had spoken at length about Iraq during a May 11- 13 visit to London, exchanging views with British government officials. He said it was “extremely important” for him, in his role as the Vatican’s Secretary for Relations with States, to speak directly with British leaders, and ensure that each side clearly understood the other’s position.

The archbishop told the British officials that the Vatican hoped a UN force in Iraq would be established with “a strong enough mandate to play an important role in establishing peace in the country and in the creation of democratic institutions for the nation.” ** *
 
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gilliam:
What? Muslims are not people too? We should not care? Where is this written in the Catechism?
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We can debate that elsewhere, I was responding to the above post. I am pretty sure the pope was worried about Christians soldiers in Muslim lands. But to get into a debate over why the pope was opposed to the first gulf war is not about Cindy Sheehan. So I’ll stop here.
 
Steve O'Brien:
Pope John Paul II, who tried to prevent the U.S. government from invading Iraq, said that “war is a defeat for humanity.” Pope Benedict XVI, when he was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, pointed out that the concept of “preventive war” simply doesn’t exist in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Were these Popes misled, mentally damaged, and exploited?.
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Neither John Paul II or then Cardinal Ratzinger condemend the war as an ujnust war. Neither of them , like Ms Sheehan , called Bush a murderer, neither of them , like Ms Sheehan , called for the elimination of Isreal, neither of them ,like Ms Sheehan, called for the impeachemnt and trial of George Bush as a war criminal, neither of them , like Ms sheehan, blames 9-11 on the United States. Neither of them, like Ms Sheehan claimed we went to war to reward Bush’s oil buddies.

She has destroyed her marriage, lost her job, dishonored her son and alienated her family. A year from now her new found frineds wont give her the time of day. She ,on the other hand ,will still be a divorcee, still have a family that wont talk to her, probably still be unemployed and her son will still be dead. The Left should be ashamed of themsleve for using this woman.
 
Steve O'Brien:
I couldn’t find any citation in which the Pope or any Vatican spokesperson officially states that the U.S. occupation of Iraq should continue.

What I did find was a news report in which Archbishop Giovanni Laojolo, the Holy See’s secretary for relations with states, is quoted as advocating United Nations involvement in Iraq. I’m posting it below.
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The UN did get involved-they looted Iraqi people of over a billion dollars.
 
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estesbob:
Neither John Paul II or then Cardinal Ratzinger condemend the war as an ujnust war. Neither of them , like Ms Sheehan , called Bush a murderer, neither of them , like Ms Sheehan , called for the elimination of Isreal, neither of them ,like Ms Sheehan, called for the impeachemnt and trial of George Bush as a war criminal, neither of them , like Ms sheehan, blames 9-11 on the United States. Neither of them, like Ms Sheehan claimed we went to war to reward Bush’s oil buddies.
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Maybe she genuinely believes those things and has finally found an outlet to make her views known. Whatever we think of these things, she is certainly not alone in these views.

Mike
 
So, what exactly is wrong with a citizen trying to hold their elected President accountable for his decisions? There are valid reasons for Sheehan to be upset–why is it wrong for her to demand satisfaction from the President regarding a situation that he personally put us in?

Sorry, but Bush is hiding from the realities of what has happened in Iraq and there is nothing morally wrong with people calling him on that truth.
 
I think the anti-war people are right. We should pull out now and bring back the rape rooms. :rolleyes:

Remember, just because the Iraq invasion turned out to be unecessary, doesn’t mean that it’s unjust. In a global sense, ask yourself this: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein in it?

That should be all the justification we need. Now it’s up to the U.S. to clean up the mess an make sure that Iraq is left in better condition than how we found it. We took out the government, so we stay until the new one ASKS us to leave; not a minute sooner.
 
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estesbob:
Neither John Paul II or then Cardinal Ratzinger condemned the war as an unjust war.
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The reason why Pope John Paul II sent Cardinal Pio Laghi to Washington to speak with President Bush in March 2003 was to persuade the President not to launch an attack on Iraq. The reason why the Pope didn’t want the United States to attack Iraq was his prudential judgment that such an attack didn’t meet the Church’s criteria for a just war (Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 2309). Consequently, it was the Pope’s judgment that this invasion constituted an unjust war.

In pointing out that the concept of “preventive war” doesn’t exist in the new catechism, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was implying his agreement with John Paul II’s judgment. Nor has Benedict XVI said anything that indicates that he subsequently changed his mind on this point.

Please read Cardinal Pio Laghi’s statement dated March 5, 2003:

vatican.va/holy_father/special_features/peace/documents/peace_20030306_card-laghi-usa-meeting_en.html

Keep and spread the Faith.
 
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