Cindy sheehan's Allies

[Lucania]

I too do not see any courage in what Mrs. Sheehan is doing. While I have much compassion for her as a Mother with the loss of her Son, I cannot see any good for our Soldiers coming out of this protest that we see on the news 24/7. We are in Iraq and we need to see it through, to leave right now would mean that our brave men & women have died in vain, in my opinion. Mrs. Sheehan’s son obviously believed in the mission. He volunteered and from what I understand, signed up for a second tour. No, I see no courage in what she is doing, in fact as the days go by, and I see her and all of those groups around her, it disgusts me.

 

[gilliam]

Listener:

I really admire the courage of this woman. It is so sad that she had to lose a child. I am very sick of this war myself, and I would like to see us get out of there ASAP! I think the president is spending so much money, he is going to bankrupt our country. Congress should never have authorized this war. The Pope didn’t approve of it either.

You do know that the Vatican and the Bishops don’t want us to leave now, right? It is our moral responsibility to establish peace there and not leave the Iraqis in the hands of people who saw off civilian’s heads, rape and blow up shopping bazaars.

 

[Faustina]

Lucania:

I too do not see any courage in what Mrs. Sheehan is doing. While I have much compassion for her as a Mother with the loss of her Son, I cannot see any good for our Soldiers coming out of this protest that we see on the news 24/7. We are in Iraq and we need to see it through, to leave right now would mean that our brave men & women have died in vain, in my opinion. Mrs. Sheehan’s son obviously believed in the mission. He volunteered and from what I understand, signed up for a second tour. No, I see no courage in what she is doing, in fact as the days go by, and I see her and all of those groups around her, it disgusts me.

Well said and I agree.

 

[Marie]

gilliam:

You do know that the Vatican and the Bishops don’t want us to leave now, right? It is our moral responsibility to establish peace there and not leave the Iraqis in the hands of people who saw off civilian’s heads, rape and blow up shopping bazaars.

Seems to be a message the anti-war punks want to ignor. Heaven forbid, the Vatican take away their right to dishonor those who serve, and de-moralize the mission. They will forever proclaim JPII, in the diplomatic stage said “NO WAR”. Never mind that is not exactly the whole truth of the matter.

It goes along with the usual mess, the anti-war whiners/protesters boils down to. Dis-information and anarchy is their game.

By golly, no matter what they will dance on the graves of the fallen and spit in the face of our boys…and call it noble!

 

[Jeffrey]

Thats the libs for ya… I agree… its disgusting.

Marie:

Seems to be a message the anti-war punks want to ignor. Heaven forbid, the Vatican take away their right to dishonor those who serve, and de-moralize the mission. They will forever proclaim JPII, in the diplomatic stage said “NO WAR”. Never mind that is not exactly the whole truth of the matter.

It goes along with the usual mess, the anti-war whiners/protesters boils down to. Dis-information and anarchy is their game.

By golly, no matter what they will dance on the graves of the fallen and spit in the face of our boys…and call it noble!

 

[Marie]

Jeffrey:

Thats the libs for ya… I agree… its disgusting.

It was disgusting the first time and few were wise enough to pick that up. It was Evil disguised as compassion, but their mask slipped pretty quick to those who were not completely brain dead or just plain cowards.

Many fine men have spent their lives reliving the nightmare of serving with distinction and honor on the battle front, to return home to an ungrateful nation. A nation of “it’s all about me mentality,” a nation which held them in contempt.

Contempt because they dared to face evil with courage and conviction. Contempt because they were willing to sacrifice all to save the downtrodden and the stranger. Contempt because Evil hates all of their efforts and spits on true love and sacrifice.

Let us not be guilty of such evil ever again.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Lucania:

I too do not see any courage in what Mrs. Sheehan is doing.

I’m quite astonished with this woman. I can’t imagine a mother going public against the wishes of her son unless she believes her son to have committed some kind of crime.

I heard her speak today. She sounded incoherent, certainly no match for a well-versed journalist. Yet, incomprehensively, she seems to have taken on trashing the media as well.

Now she is saying that her opponents are making it personal and that there is no need for that. That is a dishonest stance. She made it personal. She made it about herself at the expense of her son’s memory. She made it about looking for a scapegoat for her own inability or unwillingness to deal with her own pain.

Shockingly disfunctional behaviour. And I do agree with the person who suggested that she undertake grief therapy.

Lucania:

No, I see no courage in what she is doing, in fact as the days go by, and I see her and all of those groups around her, it disgusts me.

I am quite astonished that some clearer delineation is not being made between free speech and treason in the States. Not only is that Hanoi Jane at it again in her peace bus but Joan Baez is jumping around against Iraq.

 

[davy39]

All I can say is, remember Viet-Nam. The war we lost, not from the lack of courage and committment of our troops, or the lack of purpose. We lost because of public opinion, anti-war protesters, and the lack of support of the troops in this country. You cannot support the troops and at the same time give encouragement and support to the enemy. I hope and pray that this is not going to be a repeat.

 

[Marie]

davy39:

All I can say is, remember Viet-Nam. The war we lost, not from the lack of courage and committment of our troops, or the lack of purpose. We lost because of public opinion, anti-war protesters, and the lack of support of the troops in this country. You cannot support the troops and at the same time give encouragement and support to the enemy. I hope and pray that this is not going to be a repeat.

I could add to that…but my thoughts and PAIN. would do no good. (I pray FOR ALL, ) AND HOPE FOR THE BEST… I have little to NO patience for COWARDS.

 

[MikeWM]

Lizzie:

When I informed my family that the code pink crowd sent approximately $500,000 to support Iraqi dissidents, they were shocked.

Could you source this by any chance? All I can find are reports that they gave a reasonably similar amount in humanitarian and medical aid to refugees.

Mike

 

[geezerbob]

MikeWM:

Could you source this by any chance? All I can find are reports that they gave a reasonably similar amount in humanitarian and medical aid to refugees.

Mike

I agree. We definitely need a source for this one.

 

[Lizzie]

MikeWM:

Could you source this by any chance? All I can find are reports that they gave a reasonably similar amount in humanitarian and medical aid to refugees.

Mike

Code Pink now claims to have sent $800,000 in cash and supplies. Research the Istanbul June 27 declaration where Code Pink participated. It justified strong armed resistance by Iraqi dissidents.

 

[gilliam]

Lizzie:

Code Pink now claims to have sent $800,000 in cash and supplies. Research the Istanbul June 27 declaration where Code Pink participated. It justified strong armed resistance by Iraqi dissidents.

Cindy said this country is not worth defending. No wonder Code Pink is supporting her.

 

[Lizzie]

gilliam:

Cindy said this country is not worth defending. No wonder Code Pink is supporting her.

Shame on her.

 

[MikeWM]

Lizzie:

Code Pink now claims to have sent $800,000 in cash and supplies. Research the Istanbul June 27 declaration where Code Pink participated. It justified strong armed resistance by Iraqi dissidents.

I’ve found the site:

worldtribunal.org

This seems to have been supported by, including other groups, Pax Christi and a branch of Oxfam.

However, I can see why you don’t like these people - I’m sure most people here won’t, looking at what they say and want - but the closest thing I could find in that declaration to ‘justifying strong armed resistance by Iraqi dissidents’ was:

By the principles embodied in the UN Charter and in international law, the popular national resistance to the occupation is legitimate and justified. It deserves the support of people everywhere who care for justice and freedom.

worldtribunal.org/main/?b=91

I don’t think the small number of insurgents count as the ‘popular resistance’. It seems clear to me that this is a statement about the Iraqis who just don’t like their country being occupied. In many other places on the rest of that site ‘nonviolent resistance’ is emphasised.

That link contains all manner of interesting information about international law, too, which no doubt will make an interesting read for those people who don’t believe in it’s existence…

Independent of all that, Code Pink maintain that they are sending humanitarian and medical aid. I still can’t find anything that remotely suggests they are supplying anyone with anything approximating to weapons, or means to obtain weapons.

Mike

 

[Lizzie]

Code Pink preaches the same kind of peace as Lenin and Trotsky did.

Code Pink’s mantra is ‘What would Emma do?’ Emma’s followers assassinated President McKinley and lots of other bad stuff while claiming they were working for peace.

 

[MikeWM]

Lizzie:

Code Pink preaches the same kind of peace as Lenin and Trotsky did.

Code Pink’s mantra is ‘What would Emma do?’ Emma’s followers assassinated President McKinley and lots of other bad stuff while claiming they were working for peace.

So… can we have a source that the money they raised went into supporting dissidents, as opposed to humanitarian or medical help?

I don’t doubt you disagree with their political views and aims, but all they seem to have done is help out people in serious need. I’d like to see some evidence to the contrary, if there is any.

Mike

 

[Brad]

Steve O'Brien:

Unfortunately, the Knights of Columbus and the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights aren’t organizing anti-war demonstrations.

Nor should they. Anti-murder demonstrations would be good.
Steve O'Brien:

This leaves a vacuum in which organizations of the “left” are the ones going out into the streets to bear witness to a concrete application of the teachings of the Catholic Church on war and peace.

Yet they also vehemently oppose the Church. Go figure.
Steve O'Brien:

Consequently, Catholics who are committed to those teachings have to piggyback on the anti-war demonstrations of the lefties and work alongside them. Still, as long as Catholic anti-war activists make no compromises on matters of faith and morals, they can cooperate with the lefties, comfortable in the knowledge that they, the Catholics, are complying with the Church’s wishes:

They have to, huh? Why? Why can’t you do your own demonstration. Why do you have to piggyback along with those that support violence under the guise of promoting peace? Does that make any sense, let alone correspond to the teachings of the Church and Christ?

You can comfortably cooperate with those that radically oppose the Church and the Gospel and radically oppose life and the weakest of society?

How is that comfortable? Do you think you have found a wildcard into the kingdom of God? Do you think God plays with Jokers?
Steve O'Brien:

***“For this reason, all Christians are urgently summoned ‘to practice the truth in love’ (Eph. 4:15) and to join with all true peacemakers in pleading for peace and bringing it about” (Vatican II, *Gaudium et spes, section 78).

Yes. Join with all TRUE peacemakers, not those that talk peace but support immorality and violence.
Steve O'Brien:

Here’s a practical suggestion: when you bear witness to the Church’s position on war by attending a demonstration or candlelight vigil in support of Cindy Sheehan, wear the T-shirt with these words: “Pro-Life Anti-War.” You can obtain it from this site:

cafepress.com/godspystore

Not clear enough. If you shirt said Anti-Abortion, Anti-Same-sex marriage, Anti-embryonic stem cell research, Anti-war then you’d be demonstrating some intellectual honesty.
Steve O'Brien:

Also, to get your candle for the vigil, go to a supermarket that serves a Spanish-speaking neighborhood and buy one of the eight-inch votive candles with Catholic images. For example, you can buy a votive candle with the image of the Immaculate Heart of Mary–an especially appropriate image in the light of the peace message of Fatima.

Keep and spread the Faith.

Don’t bring the Blessed Mother into support of a cause that supports killing babies and supports terrorists. Please.

 

[Richardols]

Brad:

Why do you have to piggyback along with those that support violence under the guise of promoting peace? Does that make any sense, let alone correspond to the teachings of the Church and Christ?

In the 1930s, about the only people demonstrating against racism in America were the Communists. Numerous Catholics, knowing what the overall Communist agenda was, nevertheless participated with them in demonstrations against racism.

You can comfortably cooperate with those that radically oppose the Church and the Gospel and radically oppose life and the weakest of society?

One can cooperate with others where one can validly cooperate with them, and not cooperate where their aims are contrary to ours. For example, cooperating with Fundamentalists on pro-life issues even though they are otherwise anti-Catholic.

 

[rlg94086]

Richardols:

One can cooperate with others where one can validly cooperate with them, and not cooperate where their aims are contrary to ours. For example, cooperating with Fundamentalists on pro-life issues even though they are otherwise anti-Catholic.

Or the US and Saddam against Iran…oops, sorry didn’t mean to sidetrack