Cindy sheehan's Allies

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MikeWM:
And solid Catholics can oppose war too. Any and all war in fact.

usccb.org/sdwp/peace/objector.htm

Mike
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You bet they can and do. 👍 But they do not do so by aligning them selves with the likes of code pink and abortion etc. They are SOLID Catholics. 😛 🙂

And many of them…are old enough to know the difference. Since they and mine and I have at least lived through it youngun. 79 was a very good year…someone loved you enough to let you be born. 👍
 
latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-gelernter19aug19,0,648828.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions
And what was Casey Sheehan’s message? It had nothing to do with President Bush. It didn’t even have to do with the war, necessarily. It said something much simpler: “I love my country.”
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His mother seemed intent on drowning out that message. At times she contradicted it. Some news stories about the mother’s protest didn’t even mention the son’s name. In most, he passed through like a butterfly that is gone before you really see it. "Spc. Casey Sheehan, who was killed in an ambush in Baghdad last year…. " That’s all you got; then it was right back to Cindy Sheehan’s latest pronouncements.
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The real story is brief enough. Casey Sheehan enlisted in the Army in 2000 at age 20. The country was at peace. When he was asked to reenlist four years later, he knew that he would probably be sent to Iraq. He reenlisted anyway. In March 2004, he was sent to Iraq as a mechanic attached to the artillery division of the 1st Cavalry Division. When a convoy was attacked in Sadr City a month later, he volunteered to join the rescue mission — although he had no obligation to take part in combat. He was awarded the Purple Heart and the Bronze Star.
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Did he intend to say, “I love my country?” Or was he tricked into saying it? He volunteered to reenlist with the war underway — as an experienced young man, not a teenager. Then he volunteered again, for a dangerous mission above and beyond the call of duty. And one thing more, from his sister, Carly: “That’s all he wanted to do was serve God and his country his whole life.” (He was a devout Roman Catholic.) What message emerges? What it sounds like to me is: “I devote my life lovingly to my country and my God.”
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The news media have done Cindy Sheehan no favor. They only let a grief-stricken mother embarrass herself; it has been painful to watch. It’s past time to shift the spotlight back to her brave son and his surviving comrades, where it has always belonged.
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Marie:
You bet they can and do. 👍 But they do not do so by aligning them selves with the likes of code pink and abortion etc. They are SOLID Catholics. 😛 🙂
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Fair enough point - but when people come together in a coalition for one purpose, their other differences are often set aside. It’s not an ideal situation - but in the end you’ll never get a large enough group of people who all think precisely the same on everything.

Anyway, I look on it positively. It is a chance to educate. As was posted earlier:
“Catholics who, in order to achieve some external good, collaborate with unbelievers or with those who through error lack the fullness of faith in Christ, may possibly provide the occasion or even the incentive for their conversion to the truth.”
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Powerful stuff. Perhaps unusual dialogue between groups will turn hearts and change minds, eg. on the abortion issue.
And many of them…are old enough to know the difference. Since they and mine and I have at least lived through it youngun. 79 was a very good year…someone loved you enough to let you be born. 👍
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Indeed so - even truer than you know.

Mike
 
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Sirach14:
You are known by the company you keep.

realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-8_20_05_RN.html
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That’s why Jesus kept company with tax collectors, prostitutes and other sinners. Did it ever occur to you that Cindy started this protest on her own and others joined her? The first few days she was there alone. I remember the protest about Vietnam started the same way. Most Americans believed the lies the government told us. The young started to protest. Innocent people died when some protesters turned violent and the National Guard fired their guns when they felt threatened. Finally the government admitted they lied. Our troops were brought home. Unfortunately, the troops thought the American public were against them and they came home in disgrace. This was not true. Our troops were great they did their duty. Many soldiers lives were changed because of what they saw and did in Vietnam. Some people remember this and don’t want history to repeat itself.

Our government used misleading and untrue statements to take us into war. Most of our allies knew we were mistaken about the weapons of mass distruction, etc. That’s why they didn’t send troops. I believe even Congress was given misinformation.

I remember seeing a former CIA agent testifying before a congressional meeting and stating that Chaney was in their office insisting that they find connections between Sadam and Al-Qaida. The CIA didn’t but that didn’t stop the president from using it as an excuse to start a war. Even the Pope was against this war.
 
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stellina:
Thank you - I’ll save money now by boycotting his ice cream.
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That’s what we do at my house. We haven’t bought their Ice Cream in quite a few years now.👍
 
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Lucania:
That’s what we do at my house. We haven’t bought their Ice Cream in quite a few years now.👍
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We don’t either. We save money by making our own and sending the profit to help others. Really help others…Like the unborn, the homeless, things much too mundane for the likes of Ben and Jerry.
 
Steve O'Brien:
Only God can read people’s hearts and souls and judge *subjective * culpability. Still, speaking from the standpoint of the *objective * moral order, we can say this: if an anti-war activist supports legalized abortion and same-sex unions, then he or she, to that extent, is not a person “of natural moral integrity.” But, from the same perspective, we must also say that the same person *is * of good character to the extent to which he or she promotes the teachings of the Catholic Church on war and peace.

And let’s remember the crucial distinction that Pope John XXIII draws in the encyclical *Pacem in terris * between error and the person who is in error.

I resolutely agree with Pope John XXIII on the need for Catholics to behave as consistent Catholics in their sociopolitical activities, which means bearing witness to the truth of Catholic teaching on all moral issues without exception. In our society, this principle is especially relevant to the obligation to oppose abortion, euthanasia, suicide, the murder of human embryos, and same-gender unions.

If enough solid Catholics flood into the active ranks of the anti-war movement, then Catholics will lead the movement. I pray for that outcome.

Keep and spread the Faith.
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Their is no obligation for such Catholics to flood these ranks. A Catholic, in good and correct conscience, can support or oppose the war. But he/she cannot support abortion or same-sex unions. I don’t think God would want us obfuscating the issues to serve the anti-war cause at the expense of a few babies, do you?
 
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Brad:
Their is no obligation for such Catholics to flood these ranks. A Catholic, in good and correct conscience, can support or oppose the war. But he/she cannot support abortion or same-sex unions. I don’t think God would want us obfuscating the issues to serve the anti-war cause at the expense of a few babies, do you?
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Right. Can I say that again?

Their is no obligation for such Catholics to flood these ranks. A Catholic, in good and correct conscience, can support or oppose the war. But he/she cannot support abortion or same-sex unions. I don’t think God would want us obfuscating the issues to serve the anti-war cause at the expense of a few babies, do you?

And again…

Their is no obligation for such Catholics to flood these ranks. A Catholic, in good and correct conscience, can support or oppose the war. But he/she cannot support abortion or same-sex unions. I don’t think God would want us obfuscating the issues to serve the anti-war cause at the expense of a few babies, do you?

Did everyone get that?? One more time.

Their is no obligation for such Catholics to flood these ranks. A Catholic, in good and correct conscience, can support or oppose the war. But he/she cannot support abortion or same-sex unions. I don’t think God would want us obfuscating the issues to serve the anti-war cause at the expense of a few babies, do you?

Class dismissed.
 
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jlw:
Right. Can I say that again?Their is no obligation for such Catholics to flood these ranks. A Catholic, in good and correct conscience, can support or oppose the war. But he/she cannot support abortion or same-sex unions. I don’t think God would want us obfuscating the issues to serve the anti-war cause at the expense of a few babies, do you?
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Got it! Thanks!

Their is no obligation for such Catholics to flood these ranks. A Catholic, in good and correct conscience, can support or oppose the war. But he/she cannot support abortion or same-sex unions. I don’t think God would want us obfuscating the issues to serve the anti-war cause at the expense of a few babies, do you?
 
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Brad:
Their is no obligation for such Catholics to flood these ranks. A Catholic, in good and correct conscience, can support or oppose the war. But he/she cannot support abortion or same-sex unions. I don’t think God would want us obfuscating the issues to serve the anti-war cause at the expense of a few babies, do you?
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Excellent!👍
 
Please note that one self-identified Catholic group, Pax Christi, who campaigns against this war prints anti-war information that is not congruent the official RC Catechism.

Pax Christi also condemns heterosexism. After reading the definition of heterosexism, I seriously wonder if this group is a Trojan horse trying to lead the naive down a slippery slope and eventually away from the Church.
 
President’s one meeting with GI’s mom is enough, senator says By C.J. Karamargin ARIZONA DAILY STAR

Sen. John McCain today defended President Bush’s decision not to meet again with Cindy Sheehan, the grieving mother who has come to personify the anti-war movement.

Speaking at a breakfast meeting of the Tucson Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce, McCain said Sheehan was “probably” being used by organizations opposed to the U.S. mission in Iraq.

But the four-term Republican defended her right to protest and said the vigil she has maintained outside of Bush’s Texas ranch was “a symptom, not a cause” of growing public discontent with the war.

“Things are not good in Iraq,” he said. “We take one step forward and two steps back.”

McCain accused Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld of badly handling the war but said it was up to Bush to decide whether he should be replaced.

He adopted a similar stance about the meeting Sheehan has insisted on having with the president.

Noting that Bush already met with her, McCain said he “can’t answer the question as to whether he should meet with her again. But my personal opinion, and I’m not trying to tell the president what to do, my personal opinion is probably not because he had already met with her.” McCain has long advocated sending more troops to Iraq as a way to defeat an insurgency that has claimed the lives of close to 2,000 American soldiers. He said it would be mistake for the U.S. to leave now because Iraq would become “a new center of terrorism.”

azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/89900.php
 
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gilliam:
At least she is consistant

“Now that we have decimated [Iraq], the borders are open, freedom fighters from other countries are going in, and have created more terrorism by going to an Islamic country,” Sheehan complained to CBS Newsman Mark Knoller.

newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/24/90434.shtml

video of the statement is here (warning, very slow link, entire video is downloaded before it plays)

[dc.indymedia.org/usermedia/video/2/cindyonbus.mov](http://dc.indymedia.org/usermedia/video/2/cindyonbus.mov)

At least the media is giving her a very long rope…
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I always thought the term “feedom fighter” was an interesting one. Fire fighters fight fire, crime fighters fight crime, freedom fighters fight…freedom? NO! They fight FOR freedom! Go figure. :confused:
 
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wabrams:
I always thought the term “feedom fighter” was an interesting one. Fire fighters fight fire, crime fighters fight crime, freedom fighters fight…freedom? NO! They fight FOR freedom! Go figure. :confused:
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I think you need more coffee 🙂
 
Her actions are degenerating quickly. I am just wondering how long it will be before she resorts to violence in the name of peace.😦

PF
 
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WanderAimlessly:
Her actions are degenerating quickly. I am just wondering how long it will be before she resorts to violence in the name of peace.😦

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Or ends up in a mental institution. She certainly appears to have gone off the deep end.
 
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